Diplomacy Round 2 (Game Over: WORLD PEACE!!)

[Conia]

Idea for IRC: The GM sets up a master keyword, which is told to all the players (Example, the GM PMs everyone the keyword "late"). When someone needs to know if the other player is actually the person playing Diplomacy, they can ask the other person for the secret keyword, which only the true player will know.

[Callid]

Idea for IRC: The GM sets up a master keyword, which is told to all the players (Example, the GM PMs everyone the keyword "late"). When someone needs to know if the other player is actually the person playing Diplomacy, they can ask the other person for the secret keyword, which only the true player will know.

The problem is rather players impersonating each other; non-players aren't really an issue (it doesn't really matter who knows about any secret plans, as long as the one they're directed against doesn't).

[Conia]

I don't think people here would try to cheat like that in the first place

[c-square]

Wow.  This is getting much more serious than it needs to be.  I knew this game could build animosity and strain friendships, but I always figured it was because of moves made in the game, not figuring out what rules to play with.

The biggest problem with banning things like impersonation, BCCs and mass quotes is that there's absolutely no way I can enforce those rules.  I can't monitor people's behavior, and if someone comes to me with evidence that the rules have been broken, the other party could simply say that the evidence was fabricated.  I'd rather allow everything so that we don't have people secretly breaking the rules.

I'm going to offer one more idea.  Let's revert back to the following rules:

• Impersonating is allowed on IRC

There are easy ways to catch an impersonator.  Of course there's the ip check, but even simpler is to just pick a code word to use with the person you're talking to.  Tell your ally that any time you guys chat on IRC, you first have to give each other code words.  If you don't get the proper code word, then you know the person's a fake.  (Of course, hacking a DCTP forum account will still get you banned from DCTP)

• BCCs are allowed

Nothing can stop people from secretly using a BCC.  So instead of only giving this tool to someone who cheats, let's give it to everyone.

• Mass quotes are allowed

Allowing single quotes doesn't solve the problem, since people could simply break a mass quote down into many single quotes spread across multiple messages.  The problem of enforceability also arises.  So, as I said above, let's give this tool to everyone, and not just the cheaters.

xpon, vittor, those rules should address your concerns about the game, right?

Callid, I know these aren't your ideal conditions, but since you have a huge advantage in experience, consider this your handicap.  It's no longer good enough just to make allies with both sides.  You now have to also be good enough at diplomacy to either keep them from comparing notes, or to convince them to say what you want them to say to the other side.

What do you all say?  Can we make a game of this?

[Callid]

I never demanded that you enforce these rules, c-square
I trust my fellow players that, if the GM says that, for example, impersonating isn't allowed, they won't break that rule. If people don't even respect the very rules of the game, we don't even need to bother starting.
And if we actually get to rules being broken, it being put forward and the other party denying, I'm pretty sure we'll be able to work out a solution together, not to mention that we can ask Jd- to find out what happened if the rule-breaking occurred on the forums, and on IRC, evidence will usually be spread to three parties, not two (impersonating: impersonater, impersonated one, person the impersonater talked with; mass quoting: the one quoting, the one receiving the quote, the one being quoted (who can confirm the quoted material being authentical)).
But seriously, like Conia said, if it is actual cheating, I doubt anyone will try it, just like we had no case of people using multiple accounts for Mafia.

And as I said, I'm not interested in playing using those rules. I've had had a similar case, and it nearly destroyed all the fun in the game; I don't need to experience that again. Just to make that clear: it's not that I'm not interested because it makes things more difficult or anything, but because I know I won't have fun playing with those rules.

[c-square]

And as I said, I'm not interested in playing using those rules. I've had had a similar case, and it nearly destroyed all the fun in the game; I don't need to experience that again. Just to make that clear: it's not that I'm not interested because it makes things more difficult or anything, but because I know I won't have fun playing with those rules.

The only way that i'll agree with those rules is if NO ONE uses IRC.
If he was going to step back for what it used to be, i'm going to step back if those new rules that he want really get into the game.

Well, to quote one of my favourite film characters, "If there can be no arrangement, then we are at an impasse."  So, unless you guys can come up with a list of rules you'll both be comfortable with, or unless Conia and Parkur are interested in stepping in for whoever drops out, then I think this game's over.

(There's something ironic about the idea of a game of Diplomacy failing because the players and GM can't negotiate a compromise about the rules)

[Conia]

But seriously, like Conia said, if it is actual cheating, I doubt anyone will try it, just like we had no case of people using multiple accounts for Mafia.

Actually....

[Callid]

But seriously, like Conia said, if it is actual cheating, I doubt anyone will try it, just like we had no case of people using multiple accounts for Mafia.

Actually....

We had? o.O
Which round?

[Conia]

But seriously, like Conia said, if it is actual cheating, I doubt anyone will try it, just like we had no case of people using multiple accounts for Mafia.

Actually....

We had? o.O
Which round?

Round 10.

[Hoshi, tantei-chan]

I've been away for a while and this happens O.O ...

Whatever rules come you come up with, I'm fine, I guess. I have no experience with either set of rules so I guess I can adapt to either of them. But I do have one problem... I have no idea how to use IRC D:.

But still, if you're all ready to, I'm on stand-by.

[Callid]

But seriously, like Conia said, if it is actual cheating, I doubt anyone will try it, just like we had no case of people using multiple accounts for Mafia.

Actually....

We had? o.O
Which round?

Round 10.

Did the rule actually exist already at that time?

[Raiden]

I've been away for a while and this happens O.O ...

Yeah, look what happens when you're not around. Anarchy. Our world falls apart!

Whatever rules come you come up with, I'm fine, I guess. I have no experience with either set of rules so I guess I can adapt to either of them. But I do have one problem... I have no idea how to use IRC D:.

You can read this thread for how to set it up.

Just change out #minimafia with #diplomacy and you should be good to go, I think and hope.

[c-square]

Okay, here's another attempt at a compromise:

• Impersonation on IRC is allowed
• BCCs are not allowed
• Mass quotes are not allowed

Callid, do those work for you?  xpon, vittor, does that sound like a reasonable compromise for each of you?

I'm going to give us until Sunday evening for us to come up with rules everyone can play with.  If we can't come up with agreed upon rules by then, then I'll declare the game over and shut down the thread.

[xpon]

personally, i dont mind any rules. but the fact that people took this game too serious and accuse other to go too far (cheating just to win the game) make me lost interest.

it is hurting when someone that you trust, suddenly accuse you !!

[c-square]

personally, i dont mind any rules. but the fact that people took this game too serious and accuse other to go too far (cheating just to win the game) make me lost interest.

it is hurting when someone that you trust, suddenly accuse you !!

I think I'm the only one who has brought up cheating.  I didn't intend it to mean any one person, but more of a concept in general.  If you were offended, I sincerely apologize.  I most certainly didn't mean to imply you'd cheat.