Why I think the Fake Death Theory has Plot Holes!!!

[lol]

My My, this post is still live!? Just to be clear, I started this post because of some notes I had on the theory people were discussing on the spoiler Cbox (I never actually read the original post although I've had the link for over 3 months now....too busy!!). But please try to be courteous to each other when discussing your opinions. It is a fictional story after all  ;D  ;D

[sstimson]

The fact that it is very likely that some one from the Bo was there beside Gin and Vodka matches very well with the BO works. They are very thorough. If you need proof of this, remember that they did not just packup and leave a completely empty building where Haibara worked. No they took the next step and blew it up, through it is possible that an empty building would have also let no clues behind, they still guaranteed that by destroying the complete building leaving nothing behind that could b a clue.

Now if they would over do it there, why would they no over do it at something even more important like killing a old sore and mole, a problem, a thorn in their side. What you are suggesting is the BO would leave plenty of chance and instead of a 100% death, they would leave a chance that they failed. That to quote you is " Contradiction1a! Org Mo failure and boss is an idiot. ( Remember those words). Why if the BO is so carefull that they would not have someone else watching? It to me looks like a show on both sides.
Why did this not happen (I will guess at the end) Kir arrives and gets Akai to enter the car where another BO member Holds the Gun on him. He is then taken to an empty field where Gin while standing right next to Kir watches while she shoot him twice. If Gin is not happy that he is dead, then Gin himself can make sure that Akai is dead. This method leaves no chance for Akai to survive and the BO then knows without a doubt that Akai is dead.
Instead of that you suggest the Bo is doing the following. One person with another only able to see what the camera shows arrives and shots Him and then leaves, not leaving any chance to confirm that Akai is dead. I would guess that they did it that way because they feared falling into an FBI trap. But there are signs that the FBI was also fearful of a trap. This is is shown by allowing Akai to go by himself. Yes they gave the reason of wanting to make sure Kir is above suspicion. But if I was the BO that would make me even more suspicious. After all here we have one FBI agent acting in good faith with no backup. He must know he is walking in to a trap, yet here he comes anyway. Why? An important agent like Akai is valuable. Yet he come here knowing it is a trap. Why again.Why would the FBI allow this. Why would they not at least keep watch? See why this action is likely to do exactly the opposite of what it is suppose to do? After all the only reason he could be doing this is either he is rebelling against the FBI and his record speaks against this,  or he is doing this to protect somebody. And what he is protecting can not be other agents as it is part of the job, or himself as he is knowing walking into a trap. That only leaves Kir and why would he protect her?
that is from the BO side. Now lets look at the events from the FBI side.The FBI must know it is a trap. After all why after escaping from the FBI care would they want to return? They could have just stayed in FBI care. So them saying they want to leave must mean they are lying.
Next here the BO have a great chance to remove a thorn in their side. Why would they not do everything they can to remove it? Like I said earlier the way you are suggesting they did it leaves a lot of chances of getting fooled and the BO simply does not do thing like that. That is why I am very sure that while you ight not see them, they are there making sure that Akai gets killed. If it is true that they are not there, then why bother? just have Kir do the one shot and leave. That would be as careful as they were not. No, I simply can not see the BO being so careless.

Mythbusters Video ( But watch the first one and note the explosion goes straight up anything below that one would be safe and it looks like a real explosion.
http://hackedgadgets.com/2008/10/12/sawdust-cannon-proven-by-mythbusters/

Spoiler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtZRnPxoMFk

Spoiler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvPL7KC1DEA

THis messages to is show two things.
1) That you could have a fake explosion and have it look real.
2) Because of the way the BO works, the chance of more spotters is very high.
I suggest you google the following sawdust cannon, myth busters sawdust cannon, Fake fire.
Also explain why the BO would act so dumb as to not make 100% sure Akai is dead.

[Borealis]

Since no matter what I say, you still bring up the same points and arguments again and again, I will no longer try to explain. Please read my posts again and see what I mean.

Shortly:
There is no save way to do it. Watch the Video: They all run off before blowing it up.
There would be no way to get all the equpment into that car. Watch your own posted video: See how much stuff they have there?

FBI: Akai tells James to let him go alone (In the same scene in which Kir phones him)
BO: 1)They know that Akai would spot them if they were anywere near him. That is why they let no BO anywhere near him.
2) They let her blow up the car to "clean up" and make all traces of BO involvement disappear. This is more important than confirming his death again (Gin saw it through the camera)
3) they burnt down Shery's laboraty because she might come back and a) take some important information with her b) take the police/FBI/CIA with her and raid the place

[sstimson]

but there is a SAFE way to do it. Yes they leave the area. BUT the cannon is on the ground, What if if was a foot higher? and something that would not burn placed under it. My point here is if you want to, you could do it safely a lot closer. For example place this in a flatbed with the device a foot above the bed and set off by a  wireless from the trucks cab. Then the operator should be completely safe and yet it looks like the truck exploded. Also note that the drawings suggest that the explosion went off not in the cab where where akai is, but in the bed on his truck.

Huge amount of equipment? This is what is involved: Air tank, tubing, drum holding the sawdust and a device to ignite the sawdust. That it.

FBI read or watch it again. Th FBI did not let him, they could not stop him, but if they had wanted to they could have had  agents need by. They normally do not just let an agent walk in to a trap without having a possible way to help them should the need arrive.

Bo this is part nonsense. I explained earlier why all involved KNOW it is a trap. I sure that akai knew there were other BO near by. And if you read or watch again you will see Akai at least saw Gin car near by. He was not looking that hard.

Because of Gin's temperament and that he likes to kill things, why would not Kir cleanup in all ways possible? After all Gin might kill her because she did not clean up what gin wanted too. Why would not Kir play it safe and clean up the normal way ( as in clean up the body) as well as clean up ((as in blow things up)

3a That would have been a good way to get her back, leave an empty building and wait. But again their foolishness or not removed that possibility. An empty building leaves no where to hide anything so there would be no information to find. 3b Let the FBI or CIA raid the building. As it is empty they will find nothing.

also if you still want a safe way to be near by and set off the explosion, akai could use a fire blanket. It is small and completely protects the body from burns and is easy to make vanish for the next illusion.

Also I can see Gin kill Kir while saying. I told you to clean up. You missed a spot on the hood.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Bo this is part nonsense. I explained earlier why all involved KNOW it is a trap. I sure that akai knew there were other BO near by. And if you read or watch again you will see Akai at least saw Gin car near by. He was not looking that hard.

Saying that you really, really think so is generally not considered acceptable proof. Did Gin mention any spotters? No. Did anyone mention any BO spotters? No. Were any BO beyond Gin, Vodka, Kir, and Akai shown anywhere at Raiha pass? No. Is the BO in possession of any items or have knowledge of anything that could not have been obtained by Gin and Vodka watching through the camera or Kir's testimony? No. Did Akai who made a thorough sweep of the area before going to meet Kir find evidence of any BO or anyone suspicious? No. (In case you are wondering, I think Gin and Vodka arrived right when the meeting was going to start rather than coming ahead of time, hence why Akai didn't see them.)
Being brutally honest here, no one is going to think your theories have any credibility at all if you continue to use arguments like "there must be spotters because I think it makes sense." If you want to convince anyone, you need hard proof or really good logic, not possibilities that might work if you overlook one or two things in the art and story.

but there is a SAFE way to do it. Yes they leave the area. BUT the cannon is on the ground, What if if was a foot higher? and something that would not burn placed under it. My point here is if you want to, you could do it safely a lot closer. For example place this in a flatbed with the device a foot above the bed and set off by a  wireless from the trucks cab. Then the operator should be completely safe and yet it looks like the truck exploded. Also note that the drawings suggest that the explosion went off not in the cab where where akai is, but in the bed on his truck.

Huge amount of equipment? This is what is involved: Air tank, tubing, drum holding the sawdust and a device to ignite the sawdust. That it.

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also if you still want a safe way to be near by and set off the explosion, akai could use a fire blanket. It is small and completely protects the body from burns and is easy to make vanish for the next illusion.

TLDR version: Akai's truck is really...

Akai didn't know Kir was going to agree to a fake death plan nor could he teach her what to do until he confirmed she was CIA and was willing to assist him with his plan the night before. Making a fake bomb and installing it in his truck while none of the FBI notice or wonder where their best agent is during an incredibly critical operation is... difficult.

Also, I do not think the art supports your conclusion that the explosion was in the back of the truck. The explosion seems too far forward because you can see the entire truck bed if you compare it to the line of the door and judge the foreshortening distance. Also the images of the explosion on the news suggest that the explosion took place in the cab. The fact the cab of the truck was completely on fire and most of the body was ruined suggests the bomb went off in the cab as well.

Because of Gin's temperament and that he likes to kill things, why would not Kir cleanup in all ways possible? After all Gin might kill her because she did not clean up what gin wanted too. Why would not Kir play it safe and clean up the normal way ( as in clean up the body) as well as clean up ((as in blow things up)

Kir "cleaned up" with a bomb because there were police with their sirens on coming towards her. She needed to finish right away. The police might have been a little suspicious if they saw a woman with a gun moving a body around in a truck illegally parked on the wrong side of the road, don't you think?
Remember, it is known unambiguous manga fact that Kir went over to the hood of the truck and took the camera off of Akai completely, and Gin didn't bat an eyelash. He thinks she did a good job, as she is still alive by the red shirts case before he heard that Scar Akai existed.