Sera Masumi identity, motive, whatever speculation topic
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I'm thinking that through sheer coincidence, Eisuke transferred to Sera's high school in the US and immediately spilled the beans regarding Conan and possibly the plot involving her brother.
My only problem with Sera being Akai's is that Jodie didn't recognize her. I mean, Jodie and Akai were engaged, right? At the very least she would have contacted Akai's relatives to inform them of his death. All I can come up with is that she is his half sister that Akai didn't know about. This and Sera's seeming infatuation with/knowledge of Shinichi are the only sticking points for me.
My only problem with Sera being Akai's is that Jodie didn't recognize her. I mean, Jodie and Akai were engaged, right? At the very least she would have contacted Akai's relatives to inform them of his death. All I can come up with is that she is his half sister that Akai didn't know about. This and Sera's seeming infatuation with/knowledge of Shinichi are the only sticking points for me.
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I doubt that, I think that while Vermouth may not trust Bourbon that doesn't matter because both of their plans are reliant on each other, neither can afford to back out until after the investigation is completed and we know Vermouth has no problems with blackmailing or killing people once they've outlived their usefulness (Episode 345, can't remember the manga and the New York case). So, there wouldn't be any need for someone else to 'guarantee' he's following instructions and even if Sera was Vermouth's daughter why would Vermouth put her in danger by placing her near BO members she doesn't trust?M1313 wrote: Sera's role in my opinion
- We know Vermouth and Bourbon made a sort of agreement: Chekhov assumed that it was something like this, and I totally agree with her: Vermouth disguises him as Akai, and he doesn't harm Conan or Ran whenever he ecnounters them during his investigations. But what if... Vermouth doesn't trust Bourbon? It is pretty probable, since she came and see the situation in first person in File 800. So, that's what I assume: Vermouth doesn't trust him, so she sent her daughter, who is not a BO member but at the very least knows about it, to control over him. That is the reason why she approaches Ran (to protect her) and Conan (same). She entered the plot in that precise time because Bourbon had failed the FBI investigation, and was going to start the Kogoro one (by becoming his apprentiece). Before this happens, she becomes their friend in order to protect them from Bourbon. She obviously knows Conan's identity if she is Vermouth's daughter, and she could be keeping the secret as her mother does. But I think she only partially knows the truth, and does want to discover it fully by having Conan tell her the whole story. As Amuro said watching Sera (though there is only a trick used by Gosho, Amuro doesn't know what Sera is doing), "A child's curiosity (Sera's curiosity) and a detective spirit of inquiry (her trying to undercover Shinichi's story) do have much in common". Also, if she is Vermouth's daughter, she knows about Ai's appearances; I cannot tell if she knows she is Sherry, but at least she knows her mother was after her for some reason: it could be likely that she only had fragmentaries informations about her, and once she saw her face, she could somehow (and that's why I said she had ties with the BO) check Sherry's apperance as Pisco did, and understand what might have happened. Once she archieved this, she deleted the video from her computer, and now she's sure about Sherry having shrunk and, above all, about Conan being a shrunk boy (though she already knew it), and about him being Shinichi. That's why in 801 she thought she had known "for a very long time" that Shinichi was a detective otaku (Yukiko knew Shinichi was like this, told to Vermouth, and Vermouth told to her daughter; now Sera knows that Shinichi=Conan, so she can think something like this). Her other phrase (she knew someone who never smiled) might be referred to Vermouth herself: we perfectly know that when she was Sharon she was unhappy, saying stuff like "No God has ever smiled to me" etc. In File 800, so, that is what happened: Sera knew from Ran that Conan was in danger: she told this to her mother, so that while she followed Amuro, Vermouth would have followed her. Ai's sensation came from Amuro and not from Sera (who's not a BO member, though I don't know how much someone like Vermouth's daughter could trigger Ai's sense); when Conan is safe, Vermouth, who's watching from above, phones Bourbon asking to him if he would respect the promise: seeing the caos that happened, it is obvious she asked something like that. Amuro has those scared-eyes because he knows Sera is Vermouth's daughter (but he doesn't know what she is doing there), and he immediately answers the phone imagining something's up (notice he answers with his left hand: we can see from the panel in which his cellphone rings that he used the left hand to take it because with the right one it would have been difficult, being it in the right pocket; but he didn't pass it to his right hand, and he is right-handed, before answering. That means he was in a hurry and wanted to answers as soon as possibile, and it is almost sure that Amuro is right-handed, especially if he is Scar Akai).
I have other points I disagree with, but if I want to address all of them I'll end up quoting everything and I'm kinda busy with other stuff at the moment so~
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At what point? If you can find me something in the manga that says that, I would love to see it.EvilOtaku wrote: I mean, Jodie and Akai were engaged, right?
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Ah, my mistake. It's in ch 677, right before Jodie sees Scar Akai for the first time. It's revealed that they were dating or had some kind of on going relationship but not specifically engaged. But my point still stands. Jodie should have recognized Akai's sister. But James does seems to recognize her as he was the only one to call her a girl, so maybe I'm off base here.Commi-Ninja wrote: At what point? If you can find me something in the manga that says that, I would love to see it.
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I voted for the first option.
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Ah, okay, good. I thought I'd totally missed something.EvilOtaku wrote:Ah, my mistake. It's in ch 677, right before Jodie sees Scar Akai for the first time. It's revealed that they were dating or had some kind of on going relationship but not specifically engaged. But my point still stands. Jodie should have recognized Akai's sister. But James does seems to recognize her as he was the only one to call her a girl, so maybe I'm off base here.Commi-Ninja wrote: At what point? If you can find me something in the manga that says that, I would love to see it.
Anyway, in regard to Jodie not knowing Sera - it could just be that Akai isn't terribly open about his family and didn't see any reason to mention her to Jodie. As for James knowing her, it could just be because he's their boss.
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Interesting deduction M1313, however I have problems with the "Vermouth's daughter" theory.
Firstly she can't be "Sharon's" daughter. Sharon was too busy carrying on the charade of being "Sharon", her own daughter "Chris". (Both being famous actresses in their own right), as well has her BO duties as Vermouth. There's no way she had time to raise a real daughter between balancing three lives at the same time. Secondly if she's the daughter of "Chris" (Vermouth's current public disguise" There's numerous problems. She's far too old to be "Chris" daughter because "Chris" was still "Sharon" until at least a year before the current timeline (The Golden Apple case was a year before the current DC timeline and Sharon was still "Alive" then.) That would make Sera almost the same age as her "mother" (Which would cause problematic questions if anyone ever found out their relationship). The numbers just don't add up.
Firstly she can't be "Sharon's" daughter. Sharon was too busy carrying on the charade of being "Sharon", her own daughter "Chris". (Both being famous actresses in their own right), as well has her BO duties as Vermouth. There's no way she had time to raise a real daughter between balancing three lives at the same time. Secondly if she's the daughter of "Chris" (Vermouth's current public disguise" There's numerous problems. She's far too old to be "Chris" daughter because "Chris" was still "Sharon" until at least a year before the current timeline (The Golden Apple case was a year before the current DC timeline and Sharon was still "Alive" then.) That would make Sera almost the same age as her "mother" (Which would cause problematic questions if anyone ever found out their relationship). The numbers just don't add up.
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Your post is interesting too.Conan324 wrote:Interesting.Aokochan wrote: I voted for the first option.
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So... you're saying Sera is Akai after a sex-change op?Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Spoiler: all I really want to say in this thread...
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^ XXD Yeah. It's all clear.
Her over-protectiveness of Conan makes me wonder. She could be Akai's sis, or whatnot, but she is either "a girl who was inspired by Shinichi to be a detective and secretly in love with him" or somehow related to Shinichi. Her reactions and everything to Conan is anything but acting, or simple fondness, or creepy BO stuff. I mean look at the lok she gives before she smashes the woman's face, who got Conan, if blicks could kill. I can only imagine Yukiko and Ran doing so, this is part of the reason why I think that she is somehow on the same emotional level.
I hope I make sense, it's late. XD;;
Her over-protectiveness of Conan makes me wonder. She could be Akai's sis, or whatnot, but she is either "a girl who was inspired by Shinichi to be a detective and secretly in love with him" or somehow related to Shinichi. Her reactions and everything to Conan is anything but acting, or simple fondness, or creepy BO stuff. I mean look at the lok she gives before she smashes the woman's face, who got Conan, if blicks could kill. I can only imagine Yukiko and Ran doing so, this is part of the reason why I think that she is somehow on the same emotional level.
I hope I make sense, it's late. XD;;
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Wouldn't that make Akai a pervert, then? XDCitan wrote:So... you're saying Sera is Akai after a sex-change op?Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Spoiler: all I really want to say in this thread...
@misztina: Interesting. We've always seemed to have rivals for Ran it seems, and I think it would be cool if Ran could have a rival for Shinichi.
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Yeah that would be interesting in a way,and a bit sad since it would be a one sided love...alicetama wrote: @misztina: Interesting. We've always seemed to have rivals for Ran it seems, and I think it would be cool if Ran could have a rival for Shinichi.
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I figure that she's some kind of female relative of Shuuichi's because of how similar they're drawn and her reactions to thinking that she saw him. She might be some kind of agent as well, or she might simply have been taught a lot by Shuu.
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I want to think Sera is Akai's sister but I want her to be psycho who can murder her target without batting an eyelid and walk to next room like nothing ever happened WHILE being overly protective of things she likes...and pedo...
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