Why I think the Fake Death Theory has Plot Holes!!!

[rrizqiw]

the more i think this the more i think BO already find how to resurrected death 

[Partsu]

the more i think this the more i think BO already find how to resurrected death 

but they have no proof...

[rrizqiw]

obviously. i doubt Gosho is going that way. but by some reason i feel it possible 

[sstimson]

I am of the opinion that Akai setup not body. Remember the same kind of thing happened to camel and he had no body. No, I think the body came later after being shot, by the as I call them too convenient Policemen.
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4)Back to the body. Well again it was set up for the press. Again there was a police car who I feel just too convenient It just happened to be in the right place at the right time. I am almost sure that Car was CIA. They are the ones who set the scene. It like a magic trick. You do not know what happened in between.
5)Remember 4.We do not know if that was a body. We only know it looked like one. the CIA could set it up however they wanted and at the same time make sure only the 'right' information came out.

Even assuming that the "too convenient Policemen" were part of the plan, i don't think they had anything to do with the switching of the bodies.
1) When Kir plants the bomb, there are missing blood trails and his face was turned. The switch must already have taken place at this point, probably when Kir took the bomb (from her car?) preventing Gin and Vodka from seeing Akai's body.
2) Before the police officers come, we see a panel with the bomb near a body dressed as Akai, and the timer reads 0:03. If we say Akai is alive, then it can't be him, otherwise he couldn't have saved himself in just 3 seconds.
3) When the policemen come, there is already a burning body in the car

1) Yes It is a bomb, but what kind of bomb. I understand you think you know what it is by how it acts and looks. Again I will tell you, that you are falling for the illusion. Remember the demon dog case.Something that looked like it was on fire and burning was in fact NOT. Same here. Again no reason to switch bodies until just before the press come. You are seeing I think "smoke and mirrors" You can make things look horrible with out hurting them at all.
2) See #1. Also he could easy save himself even in 3 seconds. What if the bomb was only a smoke bomb and nothing more?
3) There is a burning car, but no necessarily a body. All you might see is a presetup clothes set up to burn at a set trigger. Try to see pass the illusion.
I just remember another case. The culprit set themselves on fire and got away unharmed. He did this with a wetsuit. Again see something is not the same as that for sure happening. The case with the burning culprit was with Heiji and Episode 263 Toyotomi's Castle

1) The bomb is a real bomb, Gin gave it to Kir. We only saw Gin giving a gun to Kir, but it is obvious it was him to gave her the bomb later.
2) Again, it isn't a smoke bomb, so Akai could not have save himself in 3 seconds. The switch have already taken place by this point.
3) See #1 and 2. You can clearly see it is not just presetup clothes, it is either a mannequine or a body, but the first option doesn't make sense. The bomb is near the body and the timer reads 0:03, so that body has to be Rikumichi Kusuda.

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Not possible to place a body and get away in ten seconds.

Is possible to be wearing something fireproof so it looks like you are burning but completely safe.

If that was a real bomb then 1) there would have been nothing left of Akai. A bomb that close would have destroyed ever part. A weak bomb is possible. Again you are missing the illusion. Magicians have  for a very long time been able to think what we are seeing is real, when it is a trick. That bomb was a trick. It could not have been real. 2) Missing is any blood on the ground. Note that is never talked about. Also we never hear about them trying to  put pieces of the bomb and truck together. That suggest a fake. Remember the eyes are easy to fool, so do not believe them.

[Borealis]

Not possible to place a body and get away in ten seconds.

Is possible to be wearing something fireproof so it looks like you are burning but completely safe.

If that was a real bomb then 1) there would have been nothing left of Akai. A bomb that close would have destroyed ever part. A weak bomb is possible. Again you are missing the illusion. Magicians have  for a very long time been able to think what we are seeing is real, when it is a trick. That bomb was a trick. It could not have been real. 2) Missing is any blood on the ground. Note that is never talked about. Also we never hear about them trying to  put pieces of the bomb and truck together. That suggest a fake. Remember the eyes are easy to fool, so do not believe them.

1) who said it was just 10 seconds?
2)but they DID find a body
3) they were pretty surely weak bombs. They had a few dozens in the hospital and making so many "big" bombs....
Rest of post: .... WHAT?!

[sstimson]

1) Check the timer on the bomb as Kir walked not runs away
2) I think the body they found was put there after the fact by the discoverers
3) Well a weak bomb part proves my point. A live Akai properly prepared could appear to burn and yet not get hurt at all

I am suggestion the bombing was like a magician trick - Made to look like one thing while a completely differently thing happens
In this case A dead body burning to the point that only a hand survives while what really happened is Akai still alive and under his clothes is something to protect him from both fire and a weak bomb. The discoverers then set the stage and place the necessary props to make the illusion look very real. And they help Akai  "disappear".

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Sstimson, you can't see the time on the bomb when Kir set it. Picture proof. All we know is that Kir set it longer than three seconds.
Also, your timing for the body switch is off. Only a body switch while Kir was fiddling with the bomb at the hood of the car can explain why the blood trails went missing and the body moved between those panels. Your explanation that the body was placed there afterwards has not resolved that missing bloodtrail moving body contradiction.
Body burn stunts (stuntmen who set themselves on fire for movies) are among the most dangerous known. Suits used for body burns require complete head and face protection to avoid having your head and face take on the appearance of seared steak. (Whenever you see someone in a movie burning without a face covering it is special effects.) The body had nothing on its head or hands in the fire. Picture proof. Akai would have suffered a lot worse than a burn on part of his face if he was set on fire in a confined space without complete head protection. Also, setting yourself and the surroundings on fire in a confined space tends to kill you rather quickly because superhot air destroys your lungs.

[kyuuketsuki]

I'd also like to interject that in a magic trick involving fire like that, even a small one, the magician is never in the fire, but uses an escape hatch to escape while the audience is focused on the fire itself.

From my singular fire science class, everything chek said is entirely right. people don't last long in direct fire, especially not after an explosive, even a weak one, which that was not as it blew up the truck. Trucks don't blow up that easily.

[sstimson]

Let me start with this. Again NO BODY SWITCH. That is Akai and is changed after the rescuers(?) arrive. Next my turn yes there is an expression where there is smoke there is fire. but look here. I see a lot of smoke but no fire. As for the so called fire, do you remember this case Demon Dog? a picture reminder is here. If the Dog was really on fire as you said he be dead, but he was not it was just an illusion to make the dog look like that. As Gosho has done that once, why not again? In other words your fire is also a fake and looks like the real thing. After all Akai WOULD not have survived having a real bomb even a weak one that close to his head.

You think something can only happen one way and almost refuse to see other ways it could have happened. It takes what maybe two seconds to plant a bomb? Remember Gin is watching events, so really there is no chance for your body switch before the rescuers arrive. As for my guess of ten seconds. Kir walks toward Akai maybe three seconds away is her car. Working backwards Kir takes maybe seven seconds to go from planting the bomb to driving away and then we see the three seconds thus a total of ten seconds.

I still think you are using an artistic mistake as evidence. Let me again make this point While Kir is with Akai, Gin is watching. If the Body switch happen like you think with Kir there, Gin WOULD have noticed it. So again It could not have happened then. Also you are in error, Kir did not place the bomb on the hood but on the seat near Akai head, and she did not need to go back to her car to get it, she had it with her the whole time. Please note that the truck door is open and Akai falls back inside the truck.

So one last time my points. Akai is the "body" the whole time and still is when the Rescuers arrive. The so called fire is a trick to look like a fire but like the demon dog is not real. And the "bomb" is a smoke bomb.

[Abs.]

Them smoke bombs sure are powerful to blow up trucks

[Stopwatch]

@Artistic mistake comment: Nope, I can guarantee the moving bloodstains and so on weren't mistakes because when that file was put into a volume only one thing was changed and that was Akai's thoughts. There is absolutely no reason why Aoyama would correct dialogue and not the bloodstains, especially considering how crucial the scene is.
Meaning the bloodstains were there for a reason, something must have happened between those panels and Chekhov's explanation fits perfectly, if more evidence came up to challenge her theory then, yes, people might reconsider things, but so far all new evidence has only served to back up her points, not contradict them in any way.

[Borealis]

Let me start with this. Again NO BODY SWITCH. That is Akai and is changed after the rescuers(?) arrive. Next my turn yes there is an expression where there is smoke there is fire. but look here. I see a lot of smoke but no fire. As for the so called fire, do you remember this case Demon Dog? a picture reminder is here. If the Dog was really on fire as you said he be dead, but he was not it was just an illusion to make the dog look like that. As Gosho has done that once, why not again? In other words your fire is also a fake and looks like the real thing. After all Akai WOULD not have survived having a real bomb even a weak one that close to his head.

You think something can only happen one way and almost refuse to see other ways it could have happened. It takes what maybe two seconds to plant a bomb? Remember Gin is watching events, so really there is no chance for your body switch before the rescuers arrive. As for my guess of ten seconds. Kir walks toward Akai maybe three seconds away is her car. Working backwards Kir takes maybe seven seconds to go from planting the bomb to driving away and then we see the three seconds thus a total of ten seconds.

1) That isn't smoke that's the friggin' explosion It's a fireball. Like here:

2) While it is possible to fool panicing people with a mooving and fast animal (with a nice legend in the people's heads), I think it is much harder with a standing car. I also doubt you could fake the heat and pressure wave (If you look closely at your first page, there is debris (presumably glass and metal) flying around.
3) I think it would take way longer than some seconds. (Especially if she took her time) Behold the magic of procrastination:
Step1: She places herself in a position where the camera can't see what is going on in the car. (Akai can make himself ready to move)
Step2: She turns around, goes to her car and opens it. (Akai jumps up and at the same time removes his hat)
Step3: The bomb just happens to be at the front passenger's seat (left in Japan) (Akai puts the his hat on the prepared body and brings it into position)
Step4: She sets the timer for the bomb and slowly turns around (but not completely - more like sideways) (Akai finishes last details (position of jacket, etc. and begins to flee into the direction she isn't facing)
Step5: She has finished turning around moves towards the car, careful not to show the body or Akai to the camera (Akai in the meantime escapes)
This is where they discover the police and Gin tells her to "Run after cleaning up". She keeps avoiding or blocking the camera's few on the body's face.
It takes more than "three seconds" to go to the car alone (do you even know how short a second is?)

[sstimson]

1) I agree. It is a great FAKE explosion.
2) Remember this: the show is only for the BO who might be watching. No need for any thing like the heat and pressure part since the audience is not close enough to even notice if that is there or not.
3) Yes she gives herself time to get away.

1)FAKE explosion - Think movie special effects. Think of all the Great looking explosions of planes or cars where noting really was hurt or destroyed. If I did a little more research, I am sure I could find a way to explain how to make something look like it is blowing up without damaging the thing that looks like it is being blown up.
2)Number one we mostly believe Akai is alive, we are only questioning on how. I suggest a very simple method. No body switch needed and no danger involved.  A fake explosion used to cover things. Note it is in a very remote area. No one but the person involved in the illusion need to be on scene. A car waiting to move at the right time to force the Bo to leave the scene. Akai to play dead until the coast is clear. And after the "police" arrive the BO will be scarce. Kir's movements show how fake this really is. She is not driving away at great speed. No she is acting completely normal. I would say this is because there is no danger from the "bomb". It does not matter if her car will not start, or if she falls. It does not matter if she stayed because the so called danger does not exist. It is all just a show for any BO that might be watching and there is no BO near enough to feel the heat or pressure waves. There is no reason for any careful setup body trade. This is a very simple way. All that is needed for the show is the look and sound, nothing else. Note with Camel, this was not possible, as that was done by loyal BO agents. But here things are much more simple. And why do any of the above if you do not need to.
STEP 1 Akai fakes getting hit by the head shot. The blood pack in his hat opens and blood comes out of it.
STEP 2 Kir sets the clock (After all we never see it blow up, only assume it did. Either the Fake Police car or Akai sets off the fake explosion ( mostly smoke and noise )
STEP 3 After the fake explosion and while smoke covers the area the fake burning is setup (Note like the dog it just needs to look real, but it does not need to be an actual body burning.
STEP 4 After the fake Police arrive, Akai helps while staying out of site setting the scene for the next audience, the media who will see the scene up close. This is where the fake becomes real. I sure here a real device will cause the gas tank to explode, and planting a real body that was burned exactly the way they want.

As for your fake explosion, well I remember a episode of myth busters where a mix of sawdust and something else created a very real looking explosion, but only the container might have been damaged. Remember this is a trick and what looks like it happened did not. ( the death of Akai by shooting and his truck exploding.)

@stopwatch we are talking about a few lines. I see no good and completely safe way to do the body switch. Yes we know that Gin is watching by Kir's camera. But that ask why the show of a bomb looking like it went off. I think they believe that someone else might be watching the scene as well and if so then that really kills any chance to switch bodies without the BO possible agent beside Gin not knowing. I agree you might fool Gin ( Though I believe he would see the difference - After all he has a clear view while Kir sets the bomb/ timer. That he acts like it is no big deal must mean, that Kir took time to clean up the body if you insist the few lines are important.) And as for why, well respect for the dead.

[Borealis]

1) I agree. It is a great FAKE explosion.
2) Remember this: the show is only for the BO who might be watching. No need for any thing like the heat and pressure part since the audience is not close enough to even notice if that is there or not.
3) Yes she gives herself time to get away.

1)FAKE explosion - Think movie special effects. Think of all the Great looking explosions of planes or cars where noting really was hurt or destroyed. If I did a little more research, I am sure I could find a way to explain how to make something look like it is blowing up without damaging the thing that looks like it is being blown up.
2)Number one we mostly believe Akai is alive, we are only questioning on how. I suggest a very simple method. No body switch needed and no danger involved.  A fake explosion used to cover things. Note it is in a very remote area. No one but the person involved in the illusion need to be on scene. A car waiting to move at the right time to force the Bo to leave the scene. Akai to play dead until the coast is clear. And after the "police" arrive the BO will be scarce. Kir's movements show how fake this really is. She is not driving away at great speed. No she is acting completely normal. I would say this is because there is no danger from the "bomb". It does not matter if her car will not start, or if she falls. It does not matter if she stayed because the so called danger does not exist. It is all just a show for any BO that might be watching and there is no BO near enough to feel the heat or pressure waves. There is no reason for any careful setup body trade. This is a very simple way. All that is needed for the show is the look and sound, nothing else. Note with Camel, this was not possible, as that was done by loyal BO agents. But here things are much more simple. And why do any of the above if you do not need to.
STEP 1 Akai fakes getting hit by the head shot. The blood pack in his hat opens and blood comes out of it.
STEP 2 Kir sets the clock (After all we never see it blow up, only assume it did. Either the Fake Police car or Akai sets off the fake explosion ( mostly smoke and noise )
STEP 3 After the fake explosion and while smoke covers the area the fake burning is setup (Note like the dog it just needs to look real, but it does not need to be an actual body burning.
STEP 4 After the fake Police arrive, Akai helps while staying out of site setting the scene for the next audience, the media who will see the scene up close. This is where the fake becomes real. I sure here a real device will cause the gas tank to explode, and planting a real body that was burned exactly the way they want.

As for your fake explosion, well I remember a episode of myth busters where a mix of sawdust and something else created a very real looking explosion, but only the container might have been damaged. Remember this is a trick and what looks like it happened did not. ( the death of Akai by shooting and his truck exploding.)

@stopwatch we are talking about a few lines. I see no good and completely safe way to do the body switch. Yes we know that Gin is watching by Kir's camera. But that ask why the show of a bomb looking like it went off. I think they believe that someone else might be watching the scene as well and if so then that really kills any chance to switch bodies without the BO possible agent beside Gin not knowing. I agree you might fool Gin ( Though I believe he would see the difference - After all he has a clear view while Kir sets the bomb/ timer. That he acts like it is no big deal must mean, that Kir took time to clean up the body if you insist the few lines are important.) And as for why, well respect for the dead.

1) Funny you mention special effects of explosions in movies because I had seen a docomentary about them just before I wrote that post.
To make short how they did it: They evacuated the area that was going to be caught in the "explosion" and used big apparatures to trigger a dust explosion (with pollen! how the hell do you even get that?!) from a save distance and a lot of tecnology and a very good touch for the timing.
The reason noone is hurt in them is because they evacuate everyone from the place of the very real explosion.
2) like said, a fake explosion that looks real is tecnically still an explosion.
She is not driving away at great speed so the police officers think she is suspicious. And she would look suspicious if she drove away with squeaking tires.
We don't exactly know how much time she set for the bomb. She easily could have given it enough time for her to vanish without being suspicious. Also, CIA and BO are trained not to panic.
Step2: It isn SMOKE but a fireball. If you have a better idea how to draw one in black and white then I accept that Gosho might have meant smoke but I doubt there really is one. If you look closely, you can even see those movement-lines (they have a name but I don't have it in my head right now)
Step3: The problem is: Only the readers can see the body. Why would they fake a burning body if the BO can't see it? If you meant the car, please explain me how: The flames of the dog only looked real because the dog was moving and the aur made the paper move. Please don't tell me that they had a device in the car that made wind. His passenger seat must have been very cramped by then if your theory is correct.

Well your Mythbusters-example just has the little problem that here Akai is inside the container. And althoe I haven't see the episode, I am sure that they used material for the container that is far more resistant than a human body

respect for the dead? Who are you referring to? BO, FBI, CIA or Conan? I think it is clear that it is laughable for the BO. FBI and CIA: Kir shot her own father. 'nuf said. And Conan? He made somone empty his weapon on someone who had been dead for years.....

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

@Sstimson, does the art match your theory?

Is there a cloud of white smoke? No, there is a big pillar of black smoke that goes upwards, which only happens when the smoke is very hot because of the laws of convection (thus basic thermal physics). Ergo, the truck -- where the smoke is coming from -- is very hot, like it is in fact on fire which also explains the black burning color. White smoke, to work as part of a fake burning trick, needs to stay down so fire colored light can shine on it, and not be hot, lest it completely scald all the exposed skin of the person using it.

Are there two explosions? No.

I think the art shows that your theory contains fatal errors that make it untenable.

@stopwatch we are talking about a few lines. I see no good and completely safe way to do the body switch. Yes we know that Gin is watching by Kir's camera. But that ask why the show of a bomb looking like it went off. I think they believe that someone else might be watching the scene as well and if so then that really kills any chance to switch bodies without the BO possible agent beside Gin not knowing. I agree you might fool Gin ( Though I believe he would see the difference - After all he has a clear view while Kir sets the bomb/ timer. That he acts like it is no big deal must mean, that Kir took time to clean up the body if you insist the few lines are important.) And as for why, well respect for the dead.

You can't pretend that other BO were at the scene watching because it suits your theory better. Prove or at least give reasonable evidence they exist or toss out the idea. In fact, we went through this once already. Nyarl said it well:

Uh, Gin was focused on the video feed from the camera on Rena, Gin was too far away and it was too dark for him to see much directly. Even the anime has gotten to the point where Gin thinks he could have been tricked. You can't just claim there were other spotters, either. Gin even said Akai has a "good nose" and could notice them unless they were watching from far away. He was interested in minimizing the chance Akai would notice the trap, not maximizing the ability to confirm the death.

Bastardizing a Sherlock Holmes quote: Change your theories to suit the facts, do not twist facts to suit theories.