Btw, I have been writing my replies for at least three hours now, so my answers might be a bit rough now. I'm sorry if anyone feels offended.
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*thinks so as well*Dwalin wrote:....Insults here
I understand that, but you have suggested Ran should have used someone else's feelings JUST TO MAKE SHINICHI JEALOUS, even though he has been missing for only a year. That wouldn't be an exactly moral thing to do.
Minimalist ;PPartsu wrote: okay...WTF happened to this thread while I was offline?
this last page is...?
Ran & Shinichi clearly love eachother.
Love makes people do stupid things.
Shinichi doesn't deserve Ran, but if she still wants him...who is to rip them apart?
if Ran is the type to "foolishly" cling onto Shinichi for years without knowing is he alive or not...who has right to say her that she should move on?
It would be her decision and none of your business, if you don't like it, BUZZ OFF!
well...actually it would be Gosho's decision to make her do that decision...
Whatever Gosho decides I support it, even if he would do something I don't like. It's his manga and he can do whatever he wants with it, even kill all the main cast at the end. (That would make him biggest troll ever...and he would probably be lynched by angry fans...)
As long as he doesn't come back to life....
Actually, hormones function as cemical messengers so pretty much everything you "feel" and much of what you "think" is made up by hormones ;PIHKF wrote: Mmm hmm... and how many teenagers every day say "I'm in love with them!" and end up realizing it was their hormones?
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he isn't a perfect person, ok, we had that. everone gets jealous sometimes.Divinely Ethereal wrote:insults here....
Kudo's "love" for Ran is possessive and wrong. He won't allow her to like/date anyone else, like Araide or Eisuke, without regard to her feelings on the matter, and he lies to her. If she wants to go out with Araide to punish him, I honestly wouldn't hold it against her *shrug* Who knows, it might make him desperate enough to finally spill the beans. And it would then be up to her to forgive him-or not- for the long drawn-out deception. But whatever she ends up doing, Ran needs to stop taking Kudo's bullcrap and take charge of her life, like yesterday.
Again with the lies...
Well, I don't think she wanted to go out with Ariade and especially not to punish him.
I get the feeling you would hold it against them if the genders were reversed.
Spill the beans and then what? He either tells the whole truth (including BO) which would bring them both into danger (Ran doesn't know how to act as well as Shinichi and we all know how well he does that) and Ran totally breaks down or wants to get involved. Or he only tells her about the shrinking thing and he gets into even more trouble because she is going to tell someone else and before he can stop them, the BO will find out that he is Shinichi.
What exactly are you meaning when you say "taking charge of her life"?
^ThisDwalin wrote:Insults...
And what makes you think Ran WANTS to date Araide or Eisuke?
So Araide's feelings wouldn't matter? He can be just used like a tool to punish someone else, according to you?
THIS. WAS. A. DREAM!IHKF wrote: insult here
First of all, she doesn't know that he has feelings for her. There was no real reason for her to wait besides her own feelings and if she respected herself then she wouldn't wait.
Second of all, there was no guaranteeing he wouldn't come back with a girl slung around his shoulder and twenty kids (the twenty is a JOKE xD).
Third of all, she's wasting her youth away when she doesn't even know if he's coming back. I can understand if they were married and she was waiting for his return but to not even be dating, bot to have confessed, AND to have no real reassurance he'd come back except for hope? That is kinda... sad.
And if HE really loved HER then he'd tell her NOT to wait and set her free so he won't tie her down.
If you truly love something, LET IT THE HECK GO!!!!! XD
Who says she is wasting away her youth? just because she doesn't have a lover doesn't mean that she hasn't found fullfilment in other areas in her life.
And to quote The Hogfather "No, it's the hope that's important. Oh, yes. It's a big part of belief, is the hope. I mean, say you give people jam today and they'll just sit there and eat it, won't they. But jam tomorrow? Ah, no. That'll keep 'em going forever"
Spoiler: Shilko again
^Everything except the parts I crossed outSchillok wrote: The superstition is one of her weak points. I don't mind it much on her, because let's face it: She's great at housework, in karate, kind, just, responsible, intelligent (I know some disagree at this point, but every character in DC is fairly intelligent. Even Chiba or Megure (for example) who I would place pretty deep down in an intelligence-toplist (of the DC characters) would be above-average in comparison with real life.), courageous and so on.
She let herself be confused about her actions that one time. It is not like she didn't learn her lesson afterwards either.
First, it is non-canon. Not that I mind, because even non-canon is usually close to the characters normal behavior.
But she only wanted a baby (never specifying how or from whom) because she was baby-sitting one a few moments before. And I guessed she liked that. To me it sounded more like she wanted her parents to have a baby she could look after occasionally. Not build her future life around one (yet).
Again, non-canon. But much worse: It is a dream Conan is having in his current state.
He IS worried that Ran might choose someone else. He is worried what would happen if he can't become Shinichi again but never gave up trying to so. It didn't even cross his mind that HE might have another girlfriend in 10 years as well...
Also, this is the worst of the 3 scenarios regarding his shrinking. Both him getting an antidote and him giving up being Shinichi (and becoming Conan instead) instead of staying trapped between both identities for 10 years would resolve the whole situation quicker.
Where would Vermouth and Jodie fit in in your opinion? Kobayashi-sensei? Yumi?
Kogoro isn't exactly a looser, he still has his strong sides. And Akemi didn't have much luck with her choice either, especially considering that Akai was using her to get closer to the BO.
And again: the teenage-girls are also quite intelligent. Aoko for sure, at least if we believe that she can solve math why chasing Kaito with a mob. But even for Sonoko we never heard that she had any problems in school so she seems to do okay. And she can be quite sharp occasionally as well.
a) If that one "fanservice" scene in the onsen showed us anything it is that he does not think of Haibara as a girl. Or Ayumi for that matter. Not sure if that counts as sexism to you, but to me it simply means lack of interest. To him Ayumi is a friend and Haibara someone in a similar situation as him. Nothing more, nothing less.
b) Or because he figured she doesn't like him because... she doesn't like him. He should know his mom best and knows that he should not take everything she tries to tease him with seriously. Rather than not being able to understand her it is much more likely that he is able to do so.
c) About Mitsuhiko: Unfortunately he will have a difficult time with her. (Which is one of the reasons that makes this pairing so great.) He is probably one of the best persons to understand this, since he is in the same situation with Ayumi.
About Ayumi: Again, he doesn't consider her as a girl. (Yet.) Maybe that is why he doesn't discourage her. Or maybe he doesn't want to hurt her feelings and hopes it will pass by naturally.(Or maybe he is keeping his options open in case there is no antidote.)
Independent Women: Choosing his mother or his friend-since-they-were-babies mother as a reference does not work. Of course he is discomfortable in their presence.
But he seemed to do fine with Satô or Jodie who also fit these role.
And I disliked L. A guy who calls himself a detective but kidnaps a suspect, keeps her confined hoping she confesses? Playing with the life of others to solve his case? He might be a genius detective but I can't stand his morals. If you want to defend the law, act according to the law. Not that Light was any better though, but at least he was aware that he was breaking laws.
No, I prefer detective like Shinichi/Conan - a bit too idealistic and righteous, but at least they are trying to live to their own ideal.
Must be very different from the Holmes I know that would not meddle with the issues of others if it didn't concern a case.
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^ThisDwalin wrote: If she DOESN'T LOVE ANYONE ELSE, why should she force herself and go out with a non-loved person just because some people think that's the only way to show self-respect?
You kinda sound like my mum when I'm depressed that I don't have a boyfriend. ;PIHKF wrote: She wouldn't have to force herself, but who the heck says it would hurt her to start trying to DATE?
Believe it or not, you have to MEET people to fall in love with them.
She wouldn't have respect for herself if she just kept holding onto something that ISN'T. THERE. IN THE FIRST PLACE.
She i'snt thinking about herself at all, and that's what respect for yourself is. Taking care of YOURSELF once in a while. And having a LIFE.
But the point is: Ran doesn't WANT a boyfriend. Not everybody wants to forget about somebody they love. Especially because he SAYS that he is going to come back. And who says she USED to have feelings for him. As far as I know, she still has them.
What I think is sad is that some people don't seem to have enough romance in their heart to see faithfullness in a fictional setting.
EVERYBODY is holding onto something that isn't there. What holds us upright is the fact that we BELIEVE in it. Our dreams and goals keep us going, even if we will never reach them.
She DOES have a life. It just isn't one that involves a romance.
^ThisDwalin wrote: In this case, it's not interesting at all. I always get depressed when I read a 100000000000.........th message that shows hatred for things or characters I like. I think it's not necessary at all to reason in terms of despise and hatred. I am a ShinRan, but I don't hate Ai, for example, in spite of everything the AiCons say against Ran.
I also feel connected to one character but I don't go crazy over them...IHKF wrote: They mainly go crazy because they're a real fan of ONE of the characters. They feel connected to one or both of them and feel that they HAVE to be together because of that. Ask half of the Ran fangirls/boys here. I'm pretty sure most will tell you they feel like they're Ran or that they have a connection with her.
^ThisDwalin wrote: But anyway, doesn't it seem to you that too little time has passed to give Ran a real reason to try to get over Shinichi?
"almost never calling" is a bit harsh. You forget that in-universe there hasen't even been a year gone by and he has called her multiple times (remember that he also calls her off-screen) I doubt she really thinks he is sleeping with other women. The vaguenes can be understandable. If it is a big case, there could be various people involved (politicans, celebrities, big fishes,) and it is never good if something like that goes public. and if he told her where he was the unavoidable question would be "What the heck are you doing in _________?!" vaguenes about when he comes back (and how long he stays) could also be explained by a big case. there could always be new evidence, he has to hide from someone who thinks he might get in trouble if Shinichi found out something, etc.IHKF wrote: With everything that's happened in that short amount of time, (him leaving, almost never calling, her having to worry about him sleeping with other women, how vague he is) sh'es been given PLENTY of reason to kick his @$$ to the curb.
But I also think she would kick the ever loving sh** out of him. If he is able to receive the beating, that is. I could imagine a showdown and Shinichi is critically wounded and she forgets her anger for a while.
^THISkirite wrote: Wut
I never understood the whole DIE FOR MY SHIP HOW DARE he/she BE WITH SOMEONE ELSE GRRRRR thing. People can ship whoever they want. Personally I think projecting yourself on to an anime character sounds quite unhealthy for the mind. Sometimes I wonder if people who act like this are really jealous. People and characters not things you can own, geeze.
As for Ran. She did want to give up multiple times. But Conan always ask for her to wait for him/gives her reasons to stick around by showing his feelings. He clarified his intent on white day and confessed his feelings in England. I didn't realise the topic of her motivation and whether she knows Shinichi likes her or not is still an issue after those chapters.
I didn't realise you have to date to have a life. I'm quite content in being single personally, and considering how much Ran cares about other men I'm guessing she'll be content to stay single as well. Plus I thought going to beaches, festivals, and restaurants with your millionaire best friend sound pretty good.
Happy belated single awareness day <3
Well, you also got to have the choice not to date whoever you don't want to.Divinely Ethereal wrote: You're missing the point. Again. What matters here is AUTONOMY/CHOICE. Regardless of who Ran actually wants to date, she needs to have the POWER TO MAKE THAT CHOICE. Kudo doesn't even want to give her the choice, judging by his attitude to Araide/Eisuke. He's possessive, not loving.
I stand by what I said that waiting 10 years for a guy who is never coming back and thus wasting your youth away is indeed pathetic, and IHKF supported me. It appears you're all alone in your righteous neck of the woods, buddy. Let's just hope nothing like what happened to Ran in OVA 9 happens to you IRL so you don't pull a Miss Havisham....
He is a jelous teenager. He is not perfect. You can be loving and jelous as well. Could we please drop that argument?
You say it is pathetic. IHKF thinks so too. Good for you. Doesn't matter how many think so.
And no, he/she (sry, don't remember) is NOT alone.
I also hope that something like that never happens to him/her. I wish for him/her and everybody else that they find someone, be it a husband/wife, close friend, pet, family or whatever else you can form a relationship to, they can live the rest of their lives with.
