Detective Conan Files 804-808 Discussion Thread: T a k a g i

[mihai]

Spoiler: solution? Maybe?

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We know Takagi's location is somewhere scenic, but important to the culprit, and Takagi recognized where he was right away. He also thought it was appropriate for the criminal to set him up there. The police station is a good match. We also have a LOT number of roofshots of the station over the past two chapters.

The dropped badge could be Takagi trying to hint the location is police related. The book hasn't been found and no construction workers have come by, which makes sense because Takagi is on a satellite tower on a roof which is not regularly looked at.

The bomb which is quite possible under the board with the sheet over it is probably set to go off the day Natalie died.

but it'd be quite difficult to get the drugged and asleep Takagi on top of the police building unnoticed, also get there a bomb and get out the same way. I still think it's a building connected to Natalie: her apartment block(if she lived in one) or the school she was teaching at.

First who could? As far as we know, Sherry was crucial to the drug research. If you put her notes in a kinda shorthand, then it will take even more time to just get to the point she was at. And as far as we know the only BO(?) working on an antidote. For that to happen some one in the Bo (like Bourbon ) would need not only access to the drug data, but also find a way to get it to sherry without anyone else knowing. At the moment this while possible is very unlikely.

Second If the Bo did decide to help Conan that kind of order would have to come from the top and then Conan and maybe Sherry would no longer need to hide.

well, Vermouth could give it to him since I don't see anyone else doing that. But i wasn't serious or anything . But still, I think I found an antidote for Conan  ;D

[Female Apprentice]

This case is so exciting 

Well, Takagi can't be taken to a place where many people are, since no one has found his badge until now. I somehow think that he is brought to a left building lot ...or some other place which is near public but still empty for some reason. By the way, are there some clues for us to know if Takagi is really outside of Tokyo ...

Spoiler:

Chekhov suggested him being near the police station. But Takagi went to meet with the culprit by plane, so he couln't have drugged him and brought him back to Tokyo, right?

Where do all the culprits get their bombs from? 
And, didn't the culprit overdo it a bit? I mean, Takagi would die if he
1. Fell asleep, rolled over and got hung by the rope
2. Stayed in this place for 3 or more days and died of thirst or freeze
3. Got blown up by the bomb (when the culprit was tired of waiting and pressed the switch, ore else when the time bomb exploded automatically)
The culprit really seems to be mad.

And I'm still supicious if he really did commit suicide ... 

[PT]

Spoiler:

Chekhov suggested him being near the police station. But Takagi went to meet with the culprit by plane, so he couln't have drugged him and brought him back to Tokyo, right?

But there was no evidence Takagi ever actually got on a plane.

[eriba01]

I want to say a  few things:
1) To the Ones that say that Natalie Boyfriend helped with the kidnap of takagi and also poisoned the wine, they seem to have forgotten that DATE was the boyfriend of Natalie.
2) I also think the person who kidnapped takagi didn´t  poison  himself, there was someone related with the first case (in my humble opinion) who helped him.
3) The Fact that the three girls killed themselves the same day is a bit strange and there is
some relation within the three girls.
what do you think?

[Yukiko Kudo]

OMG you guys are so smart ! how old are most of you?
I am nearly 15..

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

OMG you guys are so smart ! how old are most of you?
I am nearly 15..

Age has little to do with deductive ability, except older people do have more experience and accumulated random trivia.

[Sato]

If that guy manage to get Takagi up on board as the hostage, the culprit is paranoid for trusting police not to do rashly. It's like he can predict Takagi can assess well not to get himself killed. If what Takagi did is a hint, he may throw his badge as to say he is nearby where one of the victim's live. What if it is the place where detective boys receive the message from the kidnapper? Does anyone notice he is nearby Detective Boys? What unusual is time, if he tie Takagi up in order to make sure he won't fall, it takes a lot of time and skill to do it. He go through all hassle to tie him up, if he have a lot of time spending to find police Satou the place he hiding Takagi is nearby where DB was standing.

[Female Apprentice]

Spoiler:

Chekhov suggested him being near the police station. But Takagi went to meet with the culprit by plane, so he couln't have drugged him and brought him back to Tokyo, right?

But there was no evidence Takagi ever actually got on a plane.

But wouldn't it be weird to meet at an airport without flying anywhere? Of course it would be possible that the culprit went by plane to meet with Takagi, but why did Takagi say then that he wanted to stay somewhere over night?  The culprit really seems to be the person Takagi wanted to meet, right?
Mmh, I'm not against the theorie that he still is in Tokyo, but I need more evidence to believe so. 

2) I also think the person who kidnapped takagi didn´t  poison  himself, there was someone related with the first case (in my humble opinion) who helped him.
3) The Fact that the three girls killed themselves the same day is a bit strange and there is
some relation within the three girls.
what do you think?

You're right in some points, three young women comitting suicide the same way on one day are unusual ... But since there is no real evidence who could have poisoned him, we have to wait for the next file, I guess. 

OMG you guys are so smart ! how old are most of you?
I am nearly 15..

Don't worry, I'm almost 16  Chekhov is right, it doesn't care how old you are. What helps you getting better at making conclusions is indeed practice and experience. I've been watching / reading DC since I'm 6 and have read many crime novels until now, but it doesn't necessarily make me smarter 

[Anasu chan]

I'm not sure that someone kills the culprit, first of all because we dont have any other suspects, and because the culprit was very shocked when he realized that everything was a mistake. Maybe, he was that shocked because he had already drunked the poison with the wine, before sato tell him anything (and you know, it's not nice to know that you have already commited suicide without a good reason), so he tried to say fast where takagi was but he runs out of time... But that is also a bored posibility anyway XD

[Female Apprentice]

I'm not sure that someone kills the culprit, first of all because we dont have any other suspects, and because the culprit was very shocked when he realized that everything was a mistake. Maybe, he was that shocked because he had already drunked the poison with the wine, before sato tell him anything (and you know, it's not nice to know that you have already commited suicide without a good reason), so he tried to say fast where takagi was but he runs out of time... But that is also a bored posibility anyway XD

I think it's a good assuptions ... but as I said before, the culprit sure wanted to watch Takagi dying since his death would be his revenge for Natalie's grief ...
But this whole case is kind of obscure to me, so it's very possible that I'm wrong 
Well, we sure will get to know more tomorrow when the next file appears in chinese. Conan hopefully will disclose a perfect conclusion and I still want Takagi to propose to Miwako so bad xD

[Incomplete-tantei]

Crack theory : the old man was Anokata & Natalie was Vermouth as someone said He abudcted Takagi and wants to kill him because he thought he had dumped her and since Vermouth is his favourite member too bad for Takagi!
Plus, Anokata drank wine because he loves alcohol and such since he gave alcohol names to his members.
Obviously Natalie faked her death huh..  

Can't find of anything else.. :rolleyes:

ANYWAY, Conan's deduction will be chilling!!

[mihai]

it can also be that the old guy was confident and happy that he'll get revenge and he only wanted the police to find him. He also was confident that the police won't find him so he might've drunk the wine with the poison when the police entered the room. This way the shock on his face came from the fact the he got the wrong person and also the wrong motive for that detective's disappearance.
Anyway, we should wait for Conan's chilling deduction.

[makoto]

i think its a serial murdering and the culprit also killed that man

[Yukiko Kudo]

OMG you guys are so smart ! how old are most of you?
I am nearly 15..

Age has little to do with deductive ability, except older people do have more experience and accumulated random trivia.

yeah i guess you're right.

Spoiler:

Chekhov suggested him being near the police station. But Takagi went to meet with the culprit by plane, so he couln't have drugged him and brought him back to Tokyo, right?

But there was no evidence Takagi ever actually got on a plane.

But wouldn't it be weird to meet at an airport without flying anywhere? Of course it would be possible that the culprit went by plane to meet with Takagi, but why did Takagi say then that he wanted to stay somewhere over night?  The culprit really seems to be the person Takagi wanted to meet, right?
Mmh, I'm not against the theorie that he still is in Tokyo, but I need more evidence to believe so. 

2) I also think the person who kidnapped takagi didn´t  poison  himself, there was someone related with the first case (in my humble opinion) who helped him.
3) The Fact that the three girls killed themselves the same day is a bit strange and there is
some relation within the three girls.
what do you think?

You're right in some points, three young women comitting suicide the same way on one day are unusual ... But since there is no real evidence who could have poisoned him, we have to wait for the next file, I guess. 

OMG you guys are so smart ! how old are most of you?
I am nearly 15..

Don't worry, I'm almost 16  Chekhov is right, it doesn't care how old you are. What helps you getting better at making conclusions is indeed practice and experience. I've been watching / reading DC since I'm 6 and have read many crime novels until now, but it doesn't necessarily make me smarter 

WOW !  you started when u were 6. I started last year..
when i was 6 i only watched the arabic dubbed version on TV
u are right too I may gain more experience.

[Yukiko Kudo]

it can also be that the old guy was confident and happy that he'll get revenge and he only wanted the police to find him. He also was confident that the police won't find him so he might've drunk the wine with the poison when the police entered the room. This way the shock on his face came from the fact the he got the wrong person and also the wrong motive for that detective's disappearance.
Anyway, we should wait for Conan's chilling deduction.

I agree w/youu