Shinichi+Ran

[athha]

Hi athha! Welcome!

hello Miyao, thx  :D

Ai, here's another hardcore ShinRan shipper ;>
As you already figured out, the information about Ran's birthday, posted on my blog, was from the mini Interview Aoyama gave on January 3rd.
Do you believe she's younger than Shinichi?

ah, are you that "vermouths" on tumblr?
and I believe she is

hm... I read the whole files of the manga and I think that Shinichi never really shows that he needs Ran T.T We only see how much Ran needs him, don't we?

Please, tell me that I get something wrong. >.<
Please....I'm very confused right now.

I do believe Shinichi needs Ran. He stays in Japan for Ran, and until now, he never let she Knows about his real condition, with the reason to protect her even though he really wants to tell her.
that's enough proof to me. because u wont stay apart from your parents, worry and protect that person that MUCH if she is only "some random people" to you.

A relationship does not always construct as both parties needing something, and considering that he's hiding to protect HER, no, I don't see why he gives a damn about Ran, he worries a lot too, is it just me who sees him running and screaming "RAN" at the top of his lungs everytime something might happen to her? Also, The poor girl is trying to make him connect to the world of the living.

dont worry you are not the only one who sees this.
me and (i'm sure) other ShinRan supporters can see this, that's why we love ShinRan, right?

Shinichi may help everyone, that's his character..like he said " for helping someone  ,a logical mind isn't needed" BUT, personally I can see the different towards Ran.

[doublemoonlight]

^ pretty much what Toast said  and plus If Ran was to die from whatever situation I don't see Shinnich crying for months and saying, "eh, what is done is done." and go on with his life without ran without feeling hurt. NO. What I think is going to happen is Shinnich crying for YEARS and even when he accepts the fact that Ran is gone he will be some what broken emotionally and mentally.

this would NOT happen had it been his other friends like Heiji, DBs or Sonoko.

plus if you expected Shinich ( who is NOT most emotional person in the world) to come up to ran in london arc and become lady's man in romantic way... you are mistaken. I believe for Shinnich ( who probably never experienced feeling of love before and like I said never was emotional person) 'like' is far as he can go for saying 'love.' ( I believe Ran also got the message. Other wise why would she refuse to meet with shinnich later on.)

[Aokochan]

^ I agree with Toast and doublemoonlight.

[athha]

"because I love you, in this world more than anyone else" -conan to ran
I wish Gosho would put that line  someday in the future.

Shinichi may help everyone, that's his character..like he said " for helping someone  ,a logical mind isn't needed" BUT, personally I can see the different towards Ran.

correction, I mean a lot of people can see this, but some can't or maybe will never can..

[doublemoonlight]

^ well said

I really can see the difference between Shinnich rescuing Ran and Shinnich resuing Heiji. too bad others can't.

[ziraulo]

Which he could do with his father, because frankly, it's not Kogoro alone who would have lead him to anything related to the BO.
The problem with the parents in manga is that they're lacking parents, they're not dead, but absent, which is worse, where are the social services when you need them? But let's not digress.
I don't think that Kazuha is on the list of bearable people for Shinichi. The serious danger for Ran is probably

Spoiler: manga

Sera Masumi

His father spends most of his time writing. Kogoro is kind of his best bet right now. XD
IKR?! :O How long has little Shin-chan been there all by himself? D:
Hmm... I agree... Yes. She is a formidable foe....
Kazuha's heart belongs to Heiji... you're right there.

His father is the same guy who leads his editors around on a wild chase...for kicks. Who says he's busy? Besides, Yuusaku has offered him some help, he simply turned it down because it involved leaving Japan.

^
When you love somebody you NEED them. You don't just WANT them. You NEED them. That is a difference between love and a crush.
You don't NEED anything from them, but you NEED them. Shinichi doesn't NEED Ran, but she NEEDS him.

No, every girl can fill in Ran's place, even though Shinichi wouldn't want them to, because there is a possibility she won't be the one for him. He likes her. He said it himself. But he has never said he LOVED her. Therefor, she can be replaced. Maybe not easily, but she can be. When you love somebody you can't replace them. Everybody you attempt to go with after them you end up comparing TO them.
That is why him not NEEDING her is so important. He wants her, but he doesn't need her like she needs him.
As for you, stella007, sorry. But there isn't anything I can say against what you're saying. XD I have no comforting words, dear ShinRan fan... *Pats stella007's shoulder*

Too much need is bad. It could lead to you focusing your life to that person only. That, and I think that want and need are better used for describing lust, not love.

The difference between loving someone and having a crush on someone is that having a crush is more of a physical attraction. Most likely, you only like a person because of how he/she looks. To love someone is to know that person's strengths and weaknesses, and to accept him/her for who he/she is. If you remember how Shinichi and Ran describe each other, then you'll see what I mean.

Contrary to popular belief, Ran isn't very easy to replace. From the looks of it, she's the first person Shinichi ever got attached to that's around his age group. Therefore, she has played a big role in Shinichi's life, possibly even influencing him in the same way he influenced her. Replacing Ran would most likely result into a drastic change in Shinichi's personality.

^ pretty much what Toast said  and plus If Ran was to die from whatever situation I don't see Shinnich crying for months and saying, "eh, what is done is done." and go on with his life without ran without feeling hurt. NO. What I think is going to happen is Shinnich crying for YEARS and even when he accepts the fact that Ran is gone he will be some what broken emotionally and mentally.

this would NOT happen had it been his other friends like Heiji, DBs or Sonoko.

plus if you expected Shinich ( who is NOT most emotional person in the world) to come up to ran in london arc and become lady's man in romantic way... you are mistaken. I believe for Shinnich ( who probably never experienced feeling of love before and like I said never was emotional person) 'like' is far as he can go for saying 'love.' ( I believe Ran also got the message. Other wise why would she refuse to meet with shinnich later on.)

Same here. If Shinichi were to confess, expect the totally unexpected. XD

[kholoudsafir]

I agree with zira especially about love and crush^

also, I agree with xpon when he said that

Spoiler:

Gosho has been concentrating on some plot developments, so we saw the least for moment in romance for conan/Ran. However, Gosho had the chance to insert a few moments, but he did not, I think there was a place for a few around 

May be many disagree with me in this, but I do not think that Ran is that needy for Shinichi, she lacks confidence and she needs reassurance whether from him or the people close to her, besides usually, since there are exceptions. Ladies tend to be more emotional and have more romantic
expectations, even Judi who is an admired character by many here, she seems to act like a normal woman when it comes to Akai. She is in a similar situation as Ran and she also cries and act like crazy when it comes to him.

On the other hand, although Kaitou teases Aoko a lot and seem to hurt her, but he never fails in making it up for her and makes Aoko feel better. But I think Shinichi is different. The moments where I felt shinichi's sympathy for Ran were a few like:
-when he used her to deduct the crime her teacher committed,
- desperate revival when he was about to shrink and talking to her at the end,
- when he gave her his phone number, and when she held his jacket and he told her the he and her have the same to say.

What is bothering me about the confession so far is the way Conan talks about it, I understand the shyness, but I like him to say something good about it, I wont mind if he even says something like: I have finally removed this burden from my shoulders.

[xpon]

also, I agree with xpon when he said that

Spoiler:

Gosho has been concentrating on some plot developments, so we saw the least for moment in romance for conan/Ran. However, Gosho had the chance to insert a few moments, but he did not, I think there was a place for a few around   :-\

i know. but i kinda have a feeling that in the last month, almost all manga i follow is making a BIG progress in the main story.

such manga as:
~ Naruto
~ Bakuman
~ One Piece
~ HunterxHunter
~ Detective Conan

all of them have a story related to their main goal. (not just random case / situations or any character development or character past)

so i kinda believe that Gosho focusing the manga so Conan popularity wont drop too much (even thoug they are not in the same magazine)

[IHKF]

Which he could do with his father, because frankly, it's not Kogoro alone who would have lead him to anything related to the BO.
The problem with the parents in manga is that they're lacking parents, they're not dead, but absent, which is worse, where are the social services when you need them? But let's not digress.
I don't think that Kazuha is on the list of bearable people for Shinichi. The serious danger for Ran is probably

Spoiler: manga

Sera Masumi

His father spends most of his time writing. Kogoro is kind of his best bet right now. XD
IKR?! :O How long has little Shin-chan been there all by himself? D:
Hmm... I agree... Yes. She is a formidable foe....
Kazuha's heart belongs to Heiji... you're right there.

His father is the same guy who leads his editors around on a wild chase...for kicks. Who says he's busy? Besides, Yuusaku has offered him some help, he simply turned it down because it involved leaving Japan.

^
When you love somebody you NEED them. You don't just WANT them. You NEED them. That is a difference between love and a crush.
You don't NEED anything from them, but you NEED them. Shinichi doesn't NEED Ran, but she NEEDS him.

No, every girl can fill in Ran's place, even though Shinichi wouldn't want them to, because there is a possibility she won't be the one for him. He likes her. He said it himself. But he has never said he LOVED her. Therefor, she can be replaced. Maybe not easily, but she can be. When you love somebody you can't replace them. Everybody you attempt to go with after them you end up comparing TO them.
That is why him not NEEDING her is so important. He wants her, but he doesn't need her like she needs him.
As for you, stella007, sorry. But there isn't anything I can say against what you're saying. XD I have no comforting words, dear ShinRan fan... *Pats stella007's shoulder*

Too much need is bad. It could lead to you focusing your life to that person only. That, and I think that want and need are better used for describing lust, not love.

The difference between loving someone and having a crush on someone is that having a crush is more of a physical attraction. Most likely, you only like a person because of how he/she looks. To love someone is to know that person's strengths and weaknesses, and to accept him/her for who he/she is. If you remember how Shinichi and Ran describe each other, then you'll see what I mean.

Contrary to popular belief, Ran isn't very easy to replace. From the looks of it, she's the first person Shinichi ever got attached to that's around his age group. Therefore, she has played a big role in Shinichi's life, possibly even influencing him in the same way he influenced her. Replacing Ran would most likely result into a drastic change in Shinichi's personality.

^ pretty much what Toast said  and plus If Ran was to die from whatever situation I don't see Shinnich crying for months and saying, "eh, what is done is done." and go on with his life without ran without feeling hurt. NO. What I think is going to happen is Shinnich crying for YEARS and even when he accepts the fact that Ran is gone he will be some what broken emotionally and mentally.

this would NOT happen had it been his other friends like Heiji, DBs or Sonoko.

plus if you expected Shinich ( who is NOT most emotional person in the world) to come up to ran in london arc and become lady's man in romantic way... you are mistaken. I believe for Shinnich ( who probably never experienced feeling of love before and like I said never was emotional person) 'like' is far as he can go for saying 'love.' ( I believe Ran also got the message. Other wise why would she refuse to meet with shinnich later on.)

Same here. If Shinichi were to confess, expect the totally unexpected. XD

1. Well that was on his free time. In several cases we have heard from Yukiko that he is very busy trying to write for an upcoming deadline. Authors have very busy lives. Yeah, he would be busy. And he probably turned it down, yes to stay where he was living in the first place with everybody he knows, but also because he wouldn't want to pile that responsibility onto his father's shoulders.

2. Who says the'yd need each-other too much? If you love somebody you will need them. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. It doesn't need to be an excessive amount of worry. You're arguing with me about a door being brown when i'm telling you how tall I think it is.

Yes, she really is. He also grew up with SONOKO, remember? XD She may not know as much as Ran knows about him now, but she could easily take Ran's place and get to know him better. ^^ Ran does not affect his personality. Even when he is not around Ran he acts the exact same way towards all of his friends. She doesn't affect him to that extent. Now HIM affecting HER on the other hand... 

And I disagree. We have never seen Conan cry period. We don't KNOW what triggers his tears. You can't say that. You can assume it but that doesn't make it true. And I seriously doubt he wouldn't cry if his closest friends all were murdered or even just one. But if you want to think that...  lol

[sstimson]

If you remember the way Shinichi acts when Ran is threaten or in danger, you will get your proof that He needs her. Yes he has not said he loves her in words, but he has done that in action. Ran, I would say to Shinichi is irreplaceable. If you want examples, just ask.

[IHKF]

^
If you'll remember the way he acts when ANYBODY is in danger then you will get proof that worrying about her safety is not special to her. XD He doesn't act any differently when she's in danger than he does with Heiji or the DB or a random stranger involved in a case- a lot of the time the CULPRIT.
He has shown that he cares about her feelings and LIKES her, not love. There isn't one thing he has done that tells me he's in love. I'll say it again. In order to convince me he has to use the proper term, not daisuke (sp?), aishiteru (sp?). He would have to give his life to save her and not come back, he would take somebody's life to save her, or he kills himself to die with her like in Romeo and Juliet.

But I don't think he needs her. He has never said it. He has never done anything to prove that he DOES need her, and if you have examples like you say, give me 3. XD

[sonoci]

...Um, alrighty. Just gonna say here loud and clear: there may be parts in this post that would have a "mad" tone to them, but I'm not. I'm just really baffled by something that you said and it's twisting my mind in all sorts of angles. You can feel free to ignore it, but I would appreciate one read  ;) As usual, no ill will meant

^
If you'll remember the way he acts when ANYBODY is in danger then you will get proof that worrying about her safety is not special to her. XD He doesn't act any differently when she's in danger than he does with Heiji or the DB or a random stranger involved in a case- a lot of the time the CULPRIT.

Um, actually, no. When Heiji or the DB are in danger, he calms down a bit quicker and thinks things through logically. When Ran's in danger, he'll yell at the rescue team because he needs them to hurry, even though he's been in many scenarios before and he knows a calm mind is best.

Also...this is kind of a weak point. Just because Shinichi is the type that likes people to be safe, that means he can't love someone? Sorry, but that's kind of hard to believe  :-\

He has shown that he cares about her feelings and LIKES her, not love. There isn't one thing he has done that tells me he's in love. I'll say it again. In order to convince me he has to use the proper term, not daisuke (sp?), aishiteru (sp?). He would have to give his life to save her and not come back, he would take somebody's life to save her, or he kills himself to die with her like in Romeo and Juliet.

That's...pretty disproportionate. So, Ran loves Shinichi and cares for him. She gets to live and be labelled that way. But for Shinichi to love Ran, he has to die in some fashion?

...And I think the last part is where the problem lies. ...Did you really use Romeo and Juliet as an example? Have you heard how many times that that's been chewed out on?  :-\ I don't want to be the one to break it to you, but Romeo and Juliet is a satire/parody meant specifically to mock how teenagers who are "in love" makes stupid decisions that can hurt not only them but their families and friends. I guess Gosho could be some secret genius who's parodying the parody that is R & J, but I'd like to think he's trying to go for a healthy relationship here. It's one thing for Shinichi to sacrifice himself to save Ran, it's another to kill someone else or to commit suicide. I'm sorry but...have you missed all those speeches where Shinichi has said "Suicide is wrong", "There's no reason to take a life", "I can't understand why anyone would take a life" etc etc? Because...this baffles me. It truly does.

You can love someone but let them go. There's even a trope for that: I Want My Beloved to be Happy. When you love someone...you love them. That's just the gist of it. You don't need them, you don't want them, you just care for their well-being and almost always enjoy their company. You can love friends. You can love family. Does that mean you don't move out of the house when you come of age? Does that mean when your grandma dies you need to go jump off a cliff?

No.

I'd say reread Romeo and Juliet and pay really close attention. How long was their romance anyway?

...A week. ...One solitary week and they decided that, even against the weeks upon weeks they'd been living fine up until then, that suddenly they couldn't live with the other. Romeo was even fawning over another girl earlier in the day he met Juliet! He was talking about Rosalie (I believe, can't quite remember) in the same fashion he speaks of Juliet. The only difference is that with Juliet he dies before he can realize that maybe he would've found another girl just like he did with Rosalie. An idiotic teenage decision "in the name of love"...that somehow became the "Greatest Romance of All Time" OTL

[mangaluva]

Romeo and Juliet is both the most overused and worst example of true love in the entire universe, outside of Edward and Bella, which was partially based off of them in the first place. Better examples:
Beatrice and Benedict
Hermia and Lysander
Han and Leia
Westley and Buttercup
Sam Vimes and Sybil Ramkin
Beauty and the Beast
Small creatures that live under rocks mating

...are all better examples of true love than Romeo and Juliet.

[sonoci]

@mangaluva: *sista five*

I think a big problem with "true love" is that there isn't really a real definition for "love" all on its own. How can we define a "true" version of something that we haven't even defined clearly in the first place? :/

[Vylash]

I think a big problem with "true love" is that there isn't really a real definition for "love" all on its own. How can we define a "true" version of something that we haven't even defined clearly in the first place? :/

I win