Are you guys watching Sherlock? (BBC Series)

[queenmisanagi]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH <3

I loved the first two episodes.

The first one had great character dynamics...

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Absolutely loved it when Sherlock and John reprimanded Mycroft for raising his tone at Mrs. Hudson.
Also, Mrs. Hudson hiding the phone when she was abducted.
Also, Sherlock apologizing to Molly on Christmas.
Also, Irene asking if John was jealous.
And the original case references of course!

Got everything except for the aluminium crutch, which was apparently mentioned in the Musgrave Ritual case

The second one looked sooo pretty. Good job, production designer.

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I just felt that the deduction was too thrifty. It would have been better if it was explained why Henry was having those fits at his house. There was a scene where there was some sort of leak from a tube in the garden and I hoped Holmes had seen that. Also, there were a lot of characters who you'd think would play a big role, but were kind of just extras - that tour guide, the psychiatrist.

[Charlotte-Holmes]

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I'm not sure about some of the content they have in the series as a lot of children watch it too. Never try to explain to an 8 year old what a dominatrix is.

[mangaluva]

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I'm not sure about some of the content they have in the series as a lot of children watch it too. Never try to explain to an 8 year old what a dominatrix is.

It broadcasts post-watershed. Parents letting their kids watch TV at that time should be aware of that.

[mangaluva]

So... just saw the new episode. What the crap. I mean, it was good, but...

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If you have any idea how to fake falling several stories and cracking your head open on the pavement, please tell me. Please.

Also, Jim's face will haunt my nightmares.

[Stopwatch]

*attempts to drag in Chekhov *

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Personally, I'm fairly sure it's got something to do with Molly (when he talked to her earlier... well, he needed her for something, right? And the cut scene there was incredibly suspicious) Also, Sherlock's insistence on Watson standing at that exact spot when he would 'die', that'll be linked (maybe Watson's view would have otherwise seen some of the trickery...?). Possibly, the bike that knocked him over was related somehow, not certain yet, but the fact it delayed him is interesting. The fact he arranged the place of meeting himself gives him a lot more flexibility too, right next to a hospital is pretty convenient. The thing I'm thinking about the most is the fact that the 'corpse' looked like Sherlock and I don't think Molly could do plastic surgery on a different corpse , Watson checked the pulse too...Well, I'll try to figure it out tomorrow or something...

[S.Vineyard]

Brilliant episode, but....

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...the one year wait for Series 3 (which is already in the works) will be VERY painful.

[Akonyl]

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honestly, this episode ended the one way that I most hoped it wouldn't, with Sherlock popping back up and them offering no explanation and just going "lole gotta wait till next season". I mean, I get that he wasn't dead because there were a few articles that mentioned there would be a Season 3, but to have a trick like that pulled off and then hold the explanation for the following season is just aggravating.

as for how it was faked, the bike guy is probably part of it, as it served to disorient Watson and, more importantly, break his view for a second, though I'm not sure how exactly that would play into things. Unless Sherlock is superhuman, the body that fell from the building has to be Moriarty, in which case I wouldn't be surprised if the trick employs aspects of the previous two episodes, namely Sherlock using Molly to falsify the coroner's report/autopsy (as Adler had someone do), and the drugging of Watson (somehow) to make him see the worst-case Scenario of it being Sherlock dead in the street rather than Moriarty. The only two real problems with this are:

1) The witnesses in the street, who when told later that the person who jumped was Sherlock Holmes might be like "yo wtf that didn't look like Sherlock Holmes, it was some other guy!", but they could perhaps just chalk that up to forgetfulness.

2) The bigger problem is that Watson saw the person standing jump, so it's not like Sherlock could just throw the body over the ledge, in which case Sherlock would have to jump. If that's the case, when Watson rounds the corner and sees Sherlock's body,it's right next to a garbage truck filled with garbage bags, which in many cases in TV translates to "safe landing spot". It's possible that the actual Sherlock landed in there, but then the issue becomes "when did Moriarty fall", to which I would hope to say "the bike guy knocked him down so they could throw Moriarty's body into the street", but the shot of Sherlock lying there happens immediately before Watson gets hit, not after. So really, it's a hole in the reasoning so I can't say it's completely solved, but it's also not apparent how much of the scene was real life and how much was drugged-up Watson-o-vision, so it'll have to wait till the actual deduction anyway.


Also, I am so, SO glad that it wasn't actually a snippet of computer code that moriarty tapped out in rhythm with his fingers. If that was how it actually was I would go insane.

edit: Alternately, as someone else pointed out to me, it might just be that Sherlock jumped into the truck, then got out and lied down on the street and was dragged off to Molly completely alive, and that having no pulse was the big trick instead. While I don't like that solution as much (as it doesn't utilize previously established things), it's much simpler and doesn't have the glaring holes in it. Though this series hasn't done the "no-pulse inducing drug" thing before, it's not unheard of in uh, certain other Sherlock works so as to not spoil things. :V

[Katty008]

I can't theorize coherently, or be coherent at all really, so I'll just read everyone else's thoughts.

[Jd-]

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Also, I am so, SO glad that it wasn't actually a snippet of computer code that moriarty tapped out in rhythm with his fingers. If that was how it actually was I would go insane.

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lawl--I actually thought of you specifically when that was coming up due to past comments you've made on similar subjects. I would've been disappointed if I'd come here and you hadn't mentioned it.

For the episode itself...

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It was a really good episode on the whole just for the character ideas, I think. I also feel they did improve on some elements of The Final Problem and have given Sherlock an actual reason to appear to not be alive. There were a lot of very peculiar theatrics, though that isn't to say I didn't enjoy most of them just for the sake of having a bit of fun for 90 minutes. It got a little mental for a while and Moriarty (particularly in the over-the-top cab sequence) came off as quite silly for much of it, but I found it enjoyable for what it was. Moriarty himself did indeed live up to his reputation as a lunatic, but not quite a criminal mastermind. That part is regrettable, though we can't ignore that that was their intention, so that's just how it is to be.

I am really curious as to how they will proceed with Sherlock having to deal with the notoriety now, once he comes "back to" life. I also understand that him appearing at the gravesite at the end was for dramatic effect, but if that scene is any indication... Sherlock, a guy that is meant to be dead who died under very tabloid-rich circumstances, is not just out and walking about, he's out and walking about dressed and looking exactly as he normally did. This story is one that will be all over the headlines, so I think it'd likely be best for Sherlock if he bleached his hair or at the very least wore a hat that wasn't a deerstalker and maybe did without the longcoats for a bit.

Maybe it's just me, but I also hope that Mycroft and Sherlock somehow had the foresight to see this through and that Mycroft was involved from the beginning. If Mycroft really told Moriarty genuine information like that, he's a doofus.

Overall, I'm just glad Moriarty's dead now. At least... let's hope he is.

Also, was I the only one who thought of Conan when Sherlock did this at 1:09:15'ish?

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Surely I wasn't the only one!

[S.Vineyard]

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edit: Alternately, as someone else pointed out to me, it might just be that Sherlock jumped into the truck, then got out and lied down on the street and was dragged off to Molly completely alive, and that having no pulse was the big trick instead. While I don't like that solution as much (as it doesn't utilize previously established things), it's much simpler and doesn't have the glaring holes in it. Though this series hasn't done the "no-pulse inducing drug" thing before, it's not unheard of in uh, certain other Sherlock works so as to not spoil things. :V

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Yeah, it's actually the only theory that makes sense indeed. Nice watching.

[Akonyl]

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Also, I am so, SO glad that it wasn't actually a snippet of computer code that moriarty tapped out in rhythm with his fingers. If that was how it actually was I would go insane.

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lawl--I actually thought of you specifically when that was coming up due to past comments you've made on similar subjects. I would've been disappointed if I'd come here and you hadn't mentioned it.

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well to be fair, my main issue with it wasn't that it was a horrible misrepresentation of technology (though that was also part of it), it was the fact that Sherlock chose a completely arbitrary speed for the rhythm, that would have resulted in a different code than any of the other infinite speeds he could have chosen. So, normal leaps of logic aside, Sherlock was just being an idiot.

Honestly, had they did something like "Moriarty was tapping out hex characters with his four fingers" or "this finger represented 0s, this one represented 1s", it would have only been "Maggie"-levels of irritating. But the version Sherlock thought of is just mindblowingly aaaaaagh.

[mangaluva]

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Also, I am so, SO glad that it wasn't actually a snippet of computer code that moriarty tapped out in rhythm with his fingers. If that was how it actually was I would go insane.

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lawl--I actually thought of you specifically when that was coming up due to past comments you've made on similar subjects. I would've been disappointed if I'd come here and you hadn't mentioned it.

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well to be fair, my main issue with it wasn't that it was a horrible misrepresentation of technology (though that was also part of it), it was the fact that Sherlock chose a completely arbitrary speed for the rhythm, that would have resulted in a different code than any of the other infinite speeds he could have chosen. So, normal leaps of logic aside, Sherlock was just being an idiot.

Honestly, had they did something like "Moriarty was tapping out hex characters with his four fingers" or "this finger represented 0s, this one represented 1s", it would have only been "Maggie"-levels of irritating. But the version Sherlock thought of is just mindblowingly aaaaaagh.

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For a good while I thought the finger-tapping was just a Master reference I figured the key was somehow in the letters "IOU".

I am glad Jim's dead. He FREAKED ME OUT.

I'm with Ako on the garbage truck being involved somehow. Molly must be- after all, we never did see what he needed her for. She is a coroner. Possibly she pulled some strings with the ambulance crew that came out to scrape up Sherlock- they could've been in on it.

[Stopwatch]

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Also, I am so, SO glad that it wasn't actually a snippet of computer code that moriarty tapped out in rhythm with his fingers. If that was how it actually was I would go insane.

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lawl--I actually thought of you specifically when that was coming up due to past comments you've made on similar subjects. I would've been disappointed if I'd come here and you hadn't mentioned it.

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well to be fair, my main issue with it wasn't that it was a horrible misrepresentation of technology (though that was also part of it), it was the fact that Sherlock chose a completely arbitrary speed for the rhythm, that would have resulted in a different code than any of the other infinite speeds he could have chosen. So, normal leaps of logic aside, Sherlock was just being an idiot.

Honestly, had they did something like "Moriarty was tapping out hex characters with his four fingers" or "this finger represented 0s, this one represented 1s", it would have only been "Maggie"-levels of irritating. But the version Sherlock thought of is just mindblowingly aaaaaagh.

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For a good while I thought the finger-tapping was just a Master reference I figured the key was somehow in the letters "IOU".

I am glad Jim's dead. He FREAKED ME OUT.

I'm with Ako on the garbage truck being involved somehow. Molly must be- after all, we never did see what he needed her for. She is a coroner. Possibly she pulled some strings with the ambulance crew that came out to scrape up Sherlock- they could've been in on it.

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Pretty much what Manga said, especially the Master thing, I totally thought it was the drums before I realised... y'know wrong series .
And on a random note, when talking about the episode to a boy at school today... he totally misinterpreted my "I liked the handcuff scene" , though, I did find it funny how they're on the run from the police and Watson's still worried about how it looks when they're holding hands .

[mangaluva]

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Also, I am so, SO glad that it wasn't actually a snippet of computer code that moriarty tapped out in rhythm with his fingers. If that was how it actually was I would go insane.

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lawl--I actually thought of you specifically when that was coming up due to past comments you've made on similar subjects. I would've been disappointed if I'd come here and you hadn't mentioned it.

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well to be fair, my main issue with it wasn't that it was a horrible misrepresentation of technology (though that was also part of it), it was the fact that Sherlock chose a completely arbitrary speed for the rhythm, that would have resulted in a different code than any of the other infinite speeds he could have chosen. So, normal leaps of logic aside, Sherlock was just being an idiot.

Honestly, had they did something like "Moriarty was tapping out hex characters with his four fingers" or "this finger represented 0s, this one represented 1s", it would have only been "Maggie"-levels of irritating. But the version Sherlock thought of is just mindblowingly aaaaaagh.

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For a good while I thought the finger-tapping was just a Master reference I figured the key was somehow in the letters "IOU".

I am glad Jim's dead. He FREAKED ME OUT.

I'm with Ako on the garbage truck being involved somehow. Molly must be- after all, we never did see what he needed her for. She is a coroner. Possibly she pulled some strings with the ambulance crew that came out to scrape up Sherlock- they could've been in on it.

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Pretty much what Manga said, especially the Master thing, I totally thought it was the drums before I realised... y'know wrong series .
And on a random note, when talking about the episode to a boy at school today... he totally misinterpreted my "I liked the handcuff scene" , though, I did find it funny how they're one the run from the police and Watson's still worried about how it looks when they're holding hands .

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They have to tease the Holmes/Watson shippers in every episode... handcuffing them to each other and making them hold hands was a good way to do that XD

[Katty008]

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It was a really good episode on the whole just for the character ideas, I think. I also feel they did improve on some elements of The Final Problem and have given Sherlock an actual reason to appear to not be alive. There were a lot of very peculiar theatrics, though that isn't to say I didn't enjoy most of them just for the sake of having a bit of fun for 90 minutes. It got a little mental for a while and Moriarty (particularly in the over-the-top cab sequence) came off as quite silly for much of it, but I found it enjoyable for what it was. Moriarty himself did indeed live up to his reputation as a lunatic, but not quite a criminal mastermind. That part is regrettable, though we can't ignore that that was their intention, so that's just how it is to be.

I am really curious as to how they will proceed with Sherlock having to deal with the notoriety now, once he comes "back to" life. I also understand that him appearing at the gravesite at the end was for dramatic effect, but if that scene is any indication... Sherlock, a guy that is meant to be dead who died under very tabloid-rich circumstances, is not just out and walking about, he's out and walking about dressed and looking exactly as he normally did. This story is one that will be all over the headlines, so I think it'd likely be best for Sherlock if he bleached his hair or at the very least wore a hat that wasn't a deerstalker and maybe did without the longcoats for a bit.

Maybe it's just me, but I also hope that Mycroft and Sherlock somehow had the foresight to see this through and that Mycroft was involved from the beginning. If Mycroft really told Moriarty genuine information like that, he's a doofus.

Overall, I'm just glad Moriarty's dead now. At least... let's hope he is.

Also, was I the only one who thought of Conan when Sherlock did this at 1:09:15'ish?

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Surely I wasn't the only one!

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The whole becoming really famous and then "dying" thing... Moffat, your Doctor Who is showing (or would that be the other way around?).

I was too busy freaking out at the time, but oh yes! Snipe him Sherlock!