What is your favorite DC couple?

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What is your favorite DC couple? (You may only select up to 5 options)

Shinichi- Ran
34
15%
Heiji-Kazuha
33
14%
Kogoro-Eri
18
8%
Takagi-Sato
29
13%
Haibara-Conan
25
11%
Mitsuhiko-Haibara
10
4%
Yusaku-Yukiko
13
6%
Shuichi-Akemi
14
6%
Shuichi-Jodie
6
3%
Makoto-Sonoko
14
6%
Kaito-Aoko
19
8%
Matsuda-Sato
2
1%
Esuke-Ran
4
2%
Other
10
4%
 
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Ran [more of a simpleton [not saying she is stupid, but not on par with shinichi] and extremely emotional]
I would say she is just a typical japanese woman.
But I think that Ran and Kazuha are really sensitive and have INTUITION. And that what the 2 detectives lack a lot.
I don't feel Haibara as an intuitive girl. She's intelligent and acts as an observer but I can't see any chemistry between her and Shinichi.

In my own personal opinion, I think that Shinichi doesn't look for the competition. He doesn't need to have a complex girl. just a feminin one is enough for him.
And Hattori, well the problem is different. he has the typical character of the "old macho guy". So that means he would prefer a nice girl who would follows him and cheers him. He doesn't need anything else. So that's why the 2 childhood friends fit them.

Of course you can desagree. Even with the archetypes, because you have many japanese fangirls of Co x Ai in Japan, so...
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Melissa wrote: lol, I don't know what happened exactly wih this poll but that doesn't reflect anything of the fandom.
Maybe it wasn't a good idea to give people the choice between 1 or 5 couples. I only choose my favorite couple. So that may change the results.

I mean if everybody vote for 5 couples, it's ok, you can have something interesting but if you just have the choice, you will have some strange effects.
yeah that's what i think too...it's not very significant for me...
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Melissa wrote: But I think that Ran and Kazuha are really sensitive and have INTUITION. And that what the 2 detectives lack a lot.
I think Shinichi and Heiji are intuitive enough for a detective. They don't need Ran or Kazuha who, most of the time, just scream after seeing a dead body.

Melissa wrote: I don't feel Haibara as an intuitive girl. She's intelligent and acts as an observer but I can't see any chemistry between her and Shinichi.
Haibara can be intuitive at times too, especially when it's something related to the BO.
And there is a lot of chemistry between Ai and Conan. It's actually what makes their interaction so unique and.. awesome! ^^
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kyuuketsuki wrote: Also... is HakAko Hakuba-Akako? and if that is the case wouldn't "HakuAka" be better? Even HakAka would be better....
Yeah, HakAko is Hakuba-Akako. Really, in all fairness it ought to be something like SagAko or something, but HakAko just sounds good since it's basically Akako with an h...  :D :D :D
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mangaluva wrote:
kyuuketsuki wrote: Also... is HakAko Hakuba-Akako? and if that is the case wouldn't "HakuAka" be better? Even HakAka would be better....
Yeah, HakAko is Hakuba-Akako. Really, in all fairness it ought to be something like SagAko or something, but HakAko just sounds good since it's basically Akako with an h...  :D :D :D
I'm pretty sure what was mind-boggling was the "How did Akako become Ako" part.

It'd be clearer if it were Aka.

Since technically Aoko could be an Ako too.

CUZ THEY ARE BLUE AND RED, GET IT  :o
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kyuuketsuki wrote: Also... is HakAko Hakuba-Akako? and if that is the case wouldn't "HakuAka" be better? Even HakAka would be better....
Yeah, HakAko is Hakuba-Akako. Really, in all fairness it ought to be something like SagAko or something, but HakAko just sounds good since it's basically Akako with an h...  :D :D :D
I'm pretty sure what was mind-boggling was the "How did Akako become Ako" part.

It'd be clearer if it were Aka.

Since technically Aoko could be an Ako too.

CUZ THEY ARE BLUE AND RED, GET IT   :o
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Girl19 wrote:
Melissa wrote: But I think that Ran and Kazuha are really sensitive and have INTUITION. And that what the 2 detectives lack a lot.
I think Shinichi and Heiji are intuitive enough for a detective. They don't need Ran or Kazuha who, most of the time, just scream after seeing a dead body.
I don't totally agree. You have an interesting article in the å
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I don't totally agree. You have an interesting article in the å
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you still didn't explain why you think that Shinichi and Heiji lack intuition.
Because they only use rational explanations to solve a case.
And because they don't understand their own relationship problems. Even Conan didn't realize Haibara's feeling.
1. I'd like to read that article which says that Kazuha is intuitive.
same book as I quoted before.
2. I think you're mixing stuff here.. Just because Kazuha, sometimes, gives hints, unknowingly; it doesn't mean that she is intuitive.
"Intuition = The act or faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes; immediate cognition." Can you give me examples where Kazuha (or Ran) were intuitive. And I want a LOT of examples because being intuitive once or twice isn't enough to proove that you are an intuitive person.
- Volume 21 when Kazuha realizes about the pendant of the young guy of the mansion is the same as Kaede's one.
- Volume 47 when Ran and Kazuha noticed the shadow of the vase was weird but couldn't explain exactly how
- Volume 55 when Kazuha has the feeling there something strange with the last words Heiji told her before going to the island
- Each time Ran senses Conan = Shinichi (I think you 3 or 4 cases just for that and many examples which explains her reaction) > recently she also noticed that's strange Shinichi touched Hattori's talisman in the Shiragami files.
- Volume 63 When Ran has the feeling Shinichi is near her. She always senses when Shinichi is near her in this files (when he helps her in the small house, and when the Shiragami appears in front of everyone).
- During the Matsuda files, when Ran have a "telepathy" (sic) reaction with Shinichi when the town is in danger.
-  And others in different files... I know I forgot some examples but i don't have time to check any further.

Well, you can be it's not enough for you but I should tell you we didn't see so much the BO member radar of Haibara.
I did my best to give you many examples...

I can return you the question: where did you sense the guys are intuitive using your definition?
"Intuition = The act or faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes; immediate cognition."

Except the Nightmare Hattori had in volume 19, I don't see any moment he was intuitive.
And this happened a lot of times
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Well, of course this happened. A lot of time, I don't know. I have the feeling of 2 or 3 times for all I remember.
and she was proved to be right everytime
Is it intuition? Isn't it because she tried to help solving the case? But you may be right after all. That's have sense.

Well, I think you imagined I wanted to say "Haibara isn't intuitive AT ALL" and that 's all.
That's not the point actually. I said  "I don't feel Haibara as an intuitive girl.
That's just the way I see and feel it. There wasn't any argumentation in that.

I'm not convinced by your explanation but thank you for the explanation.
I think you DON'T WANNA SEE IT. But that's another story.
I don't know why you can say that. Did I never say you "you just don't want to accept the officiel love between Ran and Shinichi"?
From the beginning I said everybody is free to have his own interest in DC.
The biggest proof of the AiCon chemistry would be the huge AiCon fanbase. Why do you think there are so many people who love this couple even though it's NOT CANON? How come all these people have fallen in love with the same unofficial pairing? It's all those hidden and subtle stuff between them that make their interaction so unique and lovable.
I would say the most popular non canon coupling is the BL couplings after all. And I'm waiting for the result of my survey but in Japan, the most popular coupling is still ShinRan.

but that doesn't change anything. I know some friends who doesn't see any love between Heiji and Kazuha. Well, that's their point of view. Even with my explanation that doesn't change the fact they don't see the chemistry.
And in my case, I don't see the AixCo's chemistry. That's all.
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Melissa wrote:
The biggest proof of the AiCon chemistry would be the huge AiCon fanbase. Why do you think there are so many people who love this couple even though it's NOT CANON? How come all these people have fallen in love with the same unofficial pairing? It's all those hidden and subtle stuff between them that make their interaction so unique and lovable.
I would say the most popular non canon coupling is the BL couplings after all. And I'm waiting for the result of my survey but in Japan, the most popular coupling is still ShinRan.

but that doesn't change anything. I know some friends who doesn't see any love between Heiji and Kazuha. Well, that's their point of view. Even with my explanation that doesn't change the fact they don't see the chemistry.
And in my case, I don't see the AixCo's chemistry. That's all.
How much people like a particular couple is a matter of personal opinion, and just because a lot of people follow something doesn't make it "true" and therefore mandatory that everyone must believe it it. Prime examples being Nixon and Thatcher winning elections. The masses aren't always right.
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But actually everybody is still free to love what he/she wants.
I know why I prefer the HeiWa coupling in DC and I also know the answer is quite personal. So maybe there are many people here who just don't want to explain clearly why they love something because they have personal reason to do it.

But actually that's also true to say so many people can't explain why they love something because they never try to understand it.
I love because I love isn't really a good answer after all...

EDIT: I forgot something.
2. I think you're mixing stuff here.. Just because Kazuha, sometimes, gives hints, unknowingly; it doesn't mean that she is intuitive.
"Intuition = The act or faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes; immediate cognition." Can you give me examples where Kazuha (or Ran) were intuitive. And I want a LOT of examples because being intuitive once or twice isn't enough to proove that you are an intuitive person.
I understand the point but I thought of something, in the detective Koshien case, Heiji left this message to Kazuha IN PURPOSE so that means he knew she was ale to solve the problem. He trusted her but until the end and just said "she is just really slow..."
So I think he knows about how she is intuitive and that's why it takes so much time for her to solve the case. but because he trusts her so deeply he knows she is not stupid. If that was different, that would be a suicide to give her a such important information in that way.

+ actually in the same case, you can see Kazuha having a strange feeling when the girl (don't remember her name) says she likes Hattori's character.
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Melissa wrote: Because they only use rational explanations to solve a case.
And because they don't understand their own relationship problems. Even Conan didn't realize Haibara's feeling.
Just because they use rational explanations to solve cases, it doesn't mean they aren't intuitive. And the fact that Conan doesn't realise Haibara's feelings for him has nothing to do with intuition. I think you're mixing a lot of things here.
And you say: "they don't understand their relationship problems", what do you mean by that? o_O

Melissa wrote: same book as I quoted before.
Is that a book written by Aoyama?

Melissa wrote: - Volume 21 when Kazuha realizes about the pendant of the young guy of the mansion is the same as Kaede's one.
- Volume 47 when Ran and Kazuha noticed the shadow of the vase was weird but couldn't explain exactly how
- Volume 55 when Kazuha has the feeling there something strange with the last words Heiji told her before going to the island
- Each time Ran senses Conan = Shinichi (I think you 3 or 4 cases just for that and many examples which explains her reaction) > recently she also noticed that's strange Shinichi touched Hattori's talisman in the Shiragami files.
- Volume 63 When Ran has the feeling Shinichi is near her. She always senses when Shinichi is near her in this files (when he helps her in the small house, and when the Shiragami appears in front of everyone).
- During the Matsuda files, when Ran have a "telepathy" (sic) reaction with Shinichi when the town is in danger.
-  And others in different files... I know I forgot some examples but i don't have time to check any further.
Those examples you gave don't show the possible "intuitive side" of Kazuha and Ran you're trying to prove. They either show that they can be observant too at times, or that they know someone (in this case Heiji and Shinichi) very well. It's normal that Ran suspects Conan, it's not intuition, it's called "knowing someone too well" since she knew him since childhood. Actually, if Ran hadn't suspected him, I would have been shocked.

Melissa wrote: I can return you the question: where did you sense the guys are intuitive using your definition?
"Intuition = The act or faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes; immediate cognition."

Except the Nightmare Hattori had in volume 19, I don't see any moment he was intuitive.
Both Shinichi and Heiji have intuition; they usually (especially Shinichi) can sense who the culprit is even before having the proof.

Melissa wrote: o_O
Well, of course this happened. A lot of time, I don't know. I have the feeling of 2 or 3 times for all I remember.
It happened more than 3 times for the BO alone. Not to forget other cases not related to the BO, where Haibara could sense the culprit.

Melissa wrote: Well, I think you imagined I wanted to say "Haibara isn't intuitive AT ALL" and that 's all.
That's not the point actually. I said  "I don't feel Haibara as an intuitive girl.
That's just the way I see and feel it. There wasn't any argumentation in that.
Mixing facts and opinions seems to be something "à la mode" in this board. Funny.

Melissa wrote: I'm not convinced by your explanation but thank you for the explanation.
I'm not convinced by yours either. You welcome.

Melissa wrote: I don't know why you can say that. Did I never say you "you just don't want to accept the officiel love between Ran and Shinichi"?
LMAO Sorry, but I couldn't concentrate on that sentence..
"Accept"? LOL - Oh well..

Melissa wrote: I would say the most popular non canon coupling is the BL couplings after all.
Maybe it's because there is a great chemistry between them.

Melissa wrote: And in my case, I don't see the AixCo's chemistry. That's all.
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mangaluva wrote: and just because a lot of people follow something doesn't make it "true" and therefore mandatory that everyone must believe it it.
So you're saying that we're all just following one person who imagined the chemistry between AiCon, right?
Ok, we're all delusional. Thank you. :-*

Melissa wrote: But actually that's also true to say so many people can't explain why they love something because they never try to understand it.
I love because I love isn't really a good answer after all...
Or maybe it's you who doesn't understand the explanations and reasons we give each time.

Melissa wrote: I understand the point but I thought of something, in the detective Koshien case, Heiji left this message to Kazuha IN PURPOSE so that means he knew she was ale to solve the problem. He trusted her but until the end and just said "she is just really slow..."
So I think he knows about how she is intuitive and that's why it takes so much time for her to solve the case.
So, for you, because he trusted her it means that she is intuitive?
I fail to understand your "reasoning".
For me, the fact that he trusted her means that he knows she isn't stupid.
But I may be delusional again, yeah...
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Ok so I know that you desagree with my explanation. I'm not really surprised.
I'm just disappointed that you didn't try to give any examples as I tried to show you. (for haibara's intuition, for the guys etc...).

I would like to hear someone else opinion on the case actually.
Those examples you gave don't show the possible "intuitive side" of Kazuha and Ran you're trying to prove. They either show that they can be observant too at times, or that they know someone (in this case Heiji and Shinichi) very well. It's normal that Ran suspects Conan, it's not intuition, it's called "knowing someone too well" since she knew him since childhood. Actually, if Ran hadn't suspected him, I would have been shocked.
Well, I'm really sorry, but in that case I just don't understand the nuance you want to use in the word "intuition".
Intuition = The act or faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes; immediate cognition."


I really want to know what the other members of this forum think about it. I may be wrong cause english isn't my mother tongue. But tell me what you feel.
Were my examples so wrong?
Is that a book written by Aoyama?
Of course not. The only book Aoyama wrote are his manga.
The fact the editor published some books and analysis about DC from another writer than Aoyama doesn't mean that's not an interesting opinion or book.
Actually I told you you have many quotes insides the book.
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Melissa wrote: Ok so I know that you desagree with my explanation. I'm not really surprised.
We're not supposed to have the same opinions.

Melissa wrote: I'm just disappointed that you didn't try to give any examples as I tried to show you. (for haibara's intuition, for the guys etc...).
As I said, Shinichi and Heiji can sense who the culprit is before having the right proof.
Haibara can sense that too sometimes + her BO "radar".

Melissa wrote: Well, I'm really sorry, but in that case I just don't understand the nuance you want to use in the word "intuition".
It's not a nuance I'm willing to use, it's the exact definition which is written in a dictionary.

Melissa wrote: Of course not. The only book Aoyama wrote are his manga.
The fact the editor published some books and analysis about DC from another writer than Aoyama doesn't mean that's not an interesting opinion or book.
Actually I told you you have many quotes insides the book.
Maybe it is interesting, but it doesn't mean I will take everything it says for granted. Unless Aoyama himself says: "Kazuha and Ran are intuitive, but Shinichi and Heiji aren't, so they lack intuition, so they need Kazuha and Ran in their investigations", I'm not gonna believe it. Sorry.


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Anyhow, I gave my reasons and I won't discuss about this anymore.
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