Detective Conan Files 796-800 Discussion Thread: Dun dun dun

[Cider]

Firing a gun at the bank robbery case and not crashing his car to save Conan, Bourbon seems pretty reckless to me. Gin is pretty much the most reckless member of the Org so far, I wonder why he hates Bourbon...
Probably because Bourbon finally took over his "Most Reckless" award at the annual BO ballot, after years undefeated.
LOL

[sstimson]

I think it interesting that instead of Gin, we get Vermouth, who has divided loyalties. That raising an interesting idea about bourbon. He might be Kir contact to the CIA. It is almost certain that Vermouth knows about Kir (her comment about being a NOC). Could the two ladies have had a talk about how to bring down the BO? I am suggesting that Bourbon instead of being a threat to Conan and Company is really an ally, someone who will help protect Conan and might be able to talk to both the BO and Conan and company without suspicion. A possible go between adding another link to the chain with the CIA, FBI, and now or soon in the future, Conan and Company Intel about the BO.

[User 4869]

My memory is not the greatest but didn't this happen at some point:

When Conan met James Black, he used a Sherlock Holmes reference and compared him to Moriarty (when speaking to Haibara), then when he met Subaru Okiya (A Detective Boy case I think involving colors) he compared Okiya to Holmes.

Since Black turned out to be good and was compared to Moriarty maybe Okiya is really bad since he compared him to Holmes. An opposite of what Conan actually thought at first meeting.

Or i could just be remembering odd things. There have been so many cases its hard to keep them all straight.

He didn't compare Okiya to Holmes, just say "Holmes fan can't be bad". Which is an outright lies to please Haibara since we know one case that culprit and suspect compose entirely of Holmes fans.


BTW. I think Amuro has just been introduce, If Gosho suddenly say he's Bourbon (Even if he really is) some not-so-diehard fans could be disappoint because they don't know the Gundum things and many other evidences. I think we should prepare for the worst, aka what Abs said.

[yamiangie]

Speaking of gundam related things I swear that Okiya little flashes have been set up to look like he's having Newtype flash reactions to Amuro. 

[Suutashi]

Now we just need Camel to get in here and we can have an Okiya/Amuro/Sera/Camel Fast and the Furious race.

And Yukiko.

Don't forget Satou

true true, but afaik we've only seen them driving fast, not so much in the doing-extreme-things-while-driving angle.

I think you've maybe forgotten Yukiko's "Driving on Two Wheels Down the Brooklyn Bridge Stunt".

[kuro_shiro]

I think Amuro has just been introduce, If Gosho suddenly say he's Bourbon (Even if he really is) some not-so-diehard fans could be disappoint because they don't know the Gundum things and many other evidences. I think we should prepare for the worst, aka what Abs said.

what about us ,the diehard fans who want to know who is bourbon and don't want to wait for next 4 years.
technically every single fan has guessed that okiya is akai and  amuro would be bourbon(as sera is female ,flatchested but female)

i might be exaggrating but all conan fans would be  disapponted if identity of bourbon still end up as a secret

PS i would rather prepare a team of dc hooligans to inspire  gosho than prepare  for worst.

[User 4869]

what about us

Don't be mistaken. I am one of you I want the resolution too. Just don't want to get my hope too high.

technically every single fan has guessed that okiya is akai and  amuro would be bourbon

The person above my previous post might beg to differ.

I would rather prepare a team of dc hooligans to inspire gosho

Dozo.

[kholoudsafir]

Modified the thread title since I wouldn't be surprised if File 801 turns out to be a normal DB (minus Haibara) case with nothing at all explained.

I can see this happening, but Ai would be in too to have sort of conversation with Conan about this case.

[Kleene Onigiri]

HYPE!!! \o/

Sera is totally Bourbon because she wears the same GLOVES as Vermouth!!! DUN DUN DUN!


On a more serious note:
Isn't Amuro supposed to be right-handed?!
Conan gave use a hint with the case: (gosho deliberately wanted to show that, that's why the right-handiness fake thing seems so "forced")
http://dctp.ws/V76-Reader/V76-5Read/A5.html
"When people get surprised, they often touch their faces to calm themselves, and that's when they unthinkingly use their dominant hand"
And now to page 15:
http://dctp.ws/V76-Reader/V76-5Read/A15.html
Amuro, being surprised/in deep thought touches his face with his left hand! D: After that he also holds his phone with his left hand.

This would mean that Amuro is actually left handed, but fakes to be right-handed/ can use his right hand too.
I'm not sure what it supposed to mean. But that would be a fact against Amuro being Scar Akai for sure, since Scar Akai used his right hand.
Tho, if Amuro also faked to be right handed while being Scar Akai, the possibility still remains. But firing a gun (where you need precision) without using your dominant hand is dangerous imo. And no one was watching him at that time too.
Btw, is Sera left or right-handed?


And are some more of my thoughts:
I think Amuro is probably Bourbon but also an ally of Okiya/Akai.
Okiya said that he "won't let them get away" (Conans kidnapper) and leaned out of the car probably to shoot at the tires.
But then Amuro saw him and Okiya saw Amuro. Okiya backed off immediately and Amuro took action to save Conan.
But why would Okiya/Akai back off and let Amuro do a way more dangerous stunt (where Ran and Kogoro get in danger too?) while shooting the tires would be safer and also efficient?
Okiya definitely knows Amuro, if he wouldn't have recognized him, he would still try to save Conan himself. But he let Amuro handle it. Which could mean that Okiya trusts Amuro, or at least his abilities, especially with driving. This would also meant that Okiya worked together with Amuro at some point?

Now to Amuro. He also recognized/knows Okiya, judging from the face that he made when he saw Okiya. He saw that Okiya was about to do something, but in the end, he tried to save Conan himself with a dangerous stunt?
Why would he do that? If Okiya would have shoot the tires, Vermouth would have noticed Okiya too. So if Amuro is Bourbon and evil, he would have let that happen. But he didn't. This could mean that Amuro tried to cover for Okiya/Akai, so that Vermouth doesn't get to see him, explaining why he used a dangerous stunt instead of the safer way, shooting the tires. Since Vermouth a master of disguise, she could realize that Okiya=Akai?
Amuro, if he's bourbon, would have known that Vermouth is nearby watching his actions.

Amuro's "Why here" could be interpreted as: "Why is Okiya taking action now/here?"


I think Amuro and Akai could have infiltrated the BO together. Since, even tho they say that Bourbon is "new", Bourbon hates Akai more than Gin. Which would mean that he at least knows Akai more than just seeing him once or twice and maybe worked together with him during missions?
The "new" part could mean that he's a new, named member, but is in the BO for longer. (like Akai, gaining some trust first)
The "Bourbon hates Akai" part could be an act, so in case one of them get's found out as a spy, the other one isn't in danger to be found out too because they were on good terms.

Another thing would be the codenames. Rye and Bourbon. Both are whiskeys and could point out, that they are connected. (tho that could then be also applied to Sera, being "the same"= family)

Amuro and Akai are rivals in name because of the Gundam reference.
But there are parallels to other characters:
But Koumei and  Yamato (dark skinned, thin eyebrows and hot-tempered) are also rivals (also in name?)  but are still close friends.
Conan and Heiji (dark skinned, thick eyebrows and hot-tempered) are also Rivals, Detective of the East and Detective of the West, but then again, they are also close friends and work together.
And now, Amuro is also dark skinned, has thick eyebrows and is also kind of hot-tempered? :x
Dark skinned people with thick eyebrows can't be bad people!!!

All still just speculations from me tho *_*
HYPE!!! \o/

[Toast]

Btw, is Sera left or right-handed?

Judging by her fighting stance and the moves she throws, she is most definitely a right hander.

[believer08]

On a more serious note:
Isn't Amuro supposed to be right-handed?!
Conan gave use a hint with the case: (gosho deliberately wanted to show that, that's why the right-handiness fake thing seems so "forced")
http://dctp.ws/V76-Reader/V76-5Read/A5.html
"When people get surprised, they often touch their faces to calm themselves, and that's when they unthinkingly use their dominant hand"
And now to page 15:
http://dctp.ws/V76-Reader/V76-5Read/A15.html
Amuro, being surprised/in deep thought touches his face with his left hand! D: After that he also holds his phone with his left hand.

This would mean that Amuro is actually left handed, but fakes to be right-handed/ can use his right hand too.
I'm not sure what it supposed to mean. But that would be a fact against Amuro being Scar Akai for sure, since Scar Akai used his right hand.
Tho, if Amuro also faked to be right handed while being Scar Akai, the possibility still remains. But firing a gun (where you need precision) without using your dominant hand is dangerous imo. And no one was watching him at that time too.
Btw, is Sera left or right-handed?

I noticed that too. The last page is bothering me because of this reason. The same for Okiya, he used his earphone in the right ear, you usually put it on with the hand on the same side, in this case, he'd used his right hand, not his left one... I don't know. The same for Sera, but with her left hand, since she have the earphone in the left. And all the forced right/left handed of the kidnap case must be something to think about. It hapened for some reason.

And are some more of my thoughts:
I think Amuro is probably Bourbon but also an ally of Okiya/Akai.
Okiya said that he "won't let them get away" (Conans kidnapper) and leaned out of the car probably to shoot at the tires.
But then Amuro saw him and Okiya saw Amuro. Okiya backed off immediately and Amuro took action to save Conan.
But why would Okiya/Akai back off and let Amuro do a way more dangerous stunt (where Ran and Kogoro get in danger too?) while shooting the tires would be safer and also efficient?
Okiya definitely knows Amuro, if he wouldn't have recognized him, he would still try to save Conan himself. But he let Amuro handle it. Which could mean that Okiya trusts Amuro, or at least his abilities, especially with driving. This would also meant that Okiya worked together with Amuro at some point?

Now to Amuro. He also recognized/knows Okiya, judging from the face that he made when he saw Okiya. He saw that Okiya was about to do something, but in the end, he tried to save Conan himself with a dangerous stunt?
Why would he do that? If Okiya would have shoot the tires, Vermouth would have noticed Okiya too. So if Amuro is Bourbon and evil, he would have let that happen. But he didn't. This could mean that Amuro tried to cover for Okiya/Akai, so that Vermouth doesn't get to see him, explaining why he used a dangerous stunt instead of the safer way, shooting the tires. Since Vermouth a master of disguise, she could realize that Okiya=Akai?
Amuro, if he's bourbon, would have known that Vermouth is nearby watching his actions.

Amuro's "Why here" could be interpreted as: "Why is Okiya taking action now/here?"

I think Amuro and Akai could have infiltrated the BO together. Since, even tho they say that Bourbon is "new", Bourbon hates Akai more than Gin. Which would mean that he at least knows Akai more than just seeing him once or twice and maybe worked together with him during missions?
The "new" part could mean that he's a new, named member, but is in the BO for longer. (like Akai, gaining some trust first)
The "Bourbon hates Akai" part could be an act, so in case one of them get's found out as a spy, the other one isn't in danger to be found out too because they were on good terms.

Another thing would be the codenames. Rye and Bourbon. Both are whiskeys and could point out, that they are connected. (tho that could then be also applied to Sera, being "the same"= family)

So, if Akai (Assuming that Okiya is Akai, of course) had some kind of contact with Bourbon, so Kir is not the only "infiltrated" in the organization. What About Bourbon beeing another FBI?
Like you said, all the "bourbon hates akai" could be just an acting to avoid suspiction if one of the covers is blown (like in Akai case), so the other agent could continue the mission.

[User 4869]

Now, the evidence Kleene point out about Amuro handeness is make sense and put me into confusion. Perhaps believer08 is right. May be Gosho use the same "evil but not evil" tricks again like Vermouth and Kir. That would be disappoint to some.


Edit:
But, think again. It would be hard to explain Bourbon action as Scar Akai. Why would he come up with the plan to test FBI and Lure Akai out. Although, Okiya avoid being seen by Scar Akai may be because Okiya don't know Scar Akai is his friend.

[kentasaiba]

Conan said when they are surprised, but Amuro already accepted Okiyas or Seras apperance. You also use your left hand to touch your chin if you are thoughtful.

[kkakaroto9]

Just a speculation , Amuro (bourbon) is not the real enemy, it´s another person. In my opinion, the real enemy is Calvados, that is alive.
But i don´t have evidence, it´s all speculation.

[leokiko]

Holy shit. Major discussion on this file O.o.


Also, if the next file is DB I'm gonna laugh so hard.