Detective Conan Files 796-800 Discussion Thread: Dun dun dun

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How did Vermouth know that there would be such a special event(confrontation of so many protagonists)?
   One of the three suspects must have contacted her.Out of the three" black" suspects Sera was the first to know that there is another one of the suspects and where he was heading(Amuro with Ran).Okiya was the last to notice anything.
That could be a clue that Sera is bourbon.
   
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Maybe Vermouth has been keeping an eye on Bourbon, because of the "promise" they made. Speaking of which, which one is the right translation of Vermouth's words? Is it "Remember our promise" or "Finally you have earned trust"??If it's really the first one then the "promise" could be to leave Ran and her family alone.. since Vermouth still owes her her life from the NY incident. So they could have made a promise without revealing Conan's identity.

My interpretation of that raw is: Okiya first puts on his headset, and makes the call. The person he is calling is Sera. At the same time, Amuro receives a call from Vermouth. This is assuming that: (1) Amuro = Bourbon, (2) Okiya = Akai, and (3) Sera = his sister. Possibly Okiya is asking Sera to take care of everyone and warn her about Amuro, but this doesn't explain why Okiya seems 'surprised' in the panel after he puts on his headset.. So alternatively, they are all (coincidentally) receiving calls from different people at the same time!

Sera seems a bit of a drama queen... :P at least that's why I think her reaction to Conan was so extreme. xD but she also had a similar reaction when she heard about the incident in the Detective Agency and Ran took a long time to pick up the phone. So possibly she just gets attached to people REALLY easily haha.

As for the last robbery culprit I guess those who deduced that the third lady is the robber because she has been laundering her stolen money through vending machines, were right! I take my hat off to you. :) I guess the handedness in the photo/video is inconclusive because she may have switched hands to either avoid knocking the guy on her left or just because it was more comfortable for the particular pose or something :P
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caribou wrote:
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Speaking of which, which one is the right translation of Vermouth's words? Is it "Remember our promise" or "Finally you have earned trust"??
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Both are right translations. She said "Finally you seems to have earned trust. You'll keep your promise for me, won't you, Bourbon?"
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File 800 Spoilers  -  Translation by Zenthisoror from the DCTP spoiler c-box (http://www.dctp.ws/Latest/ConanNews.htm) :
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Serina: "You think that I'd commit suicide after killing the last person? I've got sleeping pills in my pocket...but that's because I've been having travel sleeping lately...I only used them to kidnap you..."

Conan: "Look, it's all a bit sloppy really...it was a bad decision to leave a bug with the body of the first man you killed...Maybe it's because you wanted to hear the terrified screams of Kashizuka Kei when he discovered it...If that was the case, he would have suspected the whole room to the bugged. Then he would have been on alert the whole time. And you've carelessly left the pistol you used to beat the guy to death, with it's handle still bloody, in the glove box...with another pistol...so that's three pistols in total, including the one at the Agency. Of course, the bullets have been removed, but you found the three pistols that were used in the robbery in Kashizuka Kei's room...Having killed Kashizuka, it was also a massive error to switch the phones...Even if the messages and address book have been erased, the police can still track down the owner!  There's no apparent plan to your movements...you don't care if messages or photos with sentimental value or the phone numbers of your friends are lost...It seemed as though you didn't care what happened after you'd killed the 3 who had killed your boyfriend...that's why I followed you...Anyway, I have to say I was curious to find out who the last bank robber was...if you do as I say, I'll tell you! If you agree with my reasoning...then you'll leave the last robber to the police and confess..."

Serina: "I...I understand...she's one of the three women we just saw, right?"

Conan: "Yep. We could pick up some of her features from the CCTV footage. She was trying to disguise the fact by holding the pistol in her right hand, but she was actually left handed!  When you're trying to climb over something the first foot you put forward is your leading leg...lefthanded people tend to have corresponding left leading legs...She also held the gumtape in her right hand and used her left hand to tear it up...when one of her companions fired, she put her left hand to her mouth...when people are surprised or shocked they try to touch their face and calm down and unconsciously they use their dominant hand..."

Serina: "So was it the first woman Toyokita? She opened the door with her left hand..."

Conan: "But the door was the kind where if you use your right hand, your arm comes in front of your body and gets in your way...You only need to show half your body to greet callers...that person's right handed! You can tell from the position of her mug handle to the chair...and the frypan handle position...and you'd have to be right handed to get butter on the left side of the blade of a butter knife. The second person also used her right hand to unlock the door!"

Serina: "In which case..."

Conan: "That's right...the mug was set to the left, the memo pad was to the left of the phone....To stop shadows forming when she wrote, the desklamp was on the right of the table...The pens and the sidetable were all on the left! Also, even if she was a writer close to a deadline, her mobile was switched off right?  Even if she had a home phone...a writer coming close to a deadline...she'd probably heard that a man had committed suicide at the Agency on the news...and anticipated that the police would call her as she was on his mobile's addressbook...  She probably thought they'd work out that Kashizuka Kei was one of the robbers through the huge amounts of small change and notes he'd have on him...The 2 million yen were coded...so she only used the money to buy small items...Tegawa san was taking away beef bowl's all the time because at some places you could use 10000 yen notes...and if you did a take away there was less chance of having your face remembered...Unlike a convenience store or a brand store, a beef bowl shop would be less likely to have CCTV...What do you think? Do you agree? Feel like confessing maybe?"

Serina: "Yes...I shall go along with your reasoning and go to the police station...but I think you've made one mistake...I only took two guns from Kashizuka Kei's room...The last one was a model gun I was given by a gunmaniac friend, which I had for my own protection...of course, it doesn't have any bullets..."

Conan: "But then...that must mean...the last real gun..."

Tegawa bursts into the car with the pistol, grabs Conan and points the gun at him...

Tegawa: "Fire up the car! And I'll direct us somewhere suitable without any possible witnesses!"

Conan: "To think that she was following us...Damn! My left arms being held down...I can't use my tranquiliser!"

Tegawa fires at the window of the driving seat and makes Serina start up the car. The Professor and co. are nearby...

Professor: "Just now...I thought I heard something like a gunshot..."

Haibara: "It's that car!"

Okiya: "In which case, we should alert Mr Mouri as to the situation..."

Professor: "Why not the police?"

Okiya: "Because they're the only ones who can explain everything to the police reliably...If we pass on the details about the make of the car and its number we could set up a check station of some sort."

Professor: "But what if the hostage is used as a human shield and the culprit gets away...?"

Okiya: "If it comes to that...then that situation will only last until sheer forceful strength stops it..."

Haibara's heart pounds.

Mouri: "What? They're heading northwards along Ouishikaido?"

Ran: "But that's this road isn't it?"

Mouri: "And? The car's a blue swift with the number..."

Amuro sees a blue Swift going in the opposite direction and does a U-turn. Sera follows.

Haibara: "What...what is this? This feeling...(She looks behind her) It's as though there's something chasing after us..."

Okiya: "There's no need for that expression..."

Haibara: "Eh?"

Okiya: "I won't let them get away..."

He leaves the steering wheel to Prof, opens the door, leans out of the car and is about to do something, when Amuro's car drives past and overtakes him...Do their eyes meet? Anyway, he closes the door.

Amuro: "Master...if you just tighten your seatbelt...Miss Ran, if you come over here..."

Ran is pulled out of her seat by Amuro: "Eh? Hey..."

Mouri: "O..oi, what the hell are you...!?"

Amuro drifts his car in front of Tegawa's and stops it...Tegawa comes out of the car with her gun against Conan...

Sera's ridden her bike onto the Swift's bonnet.

Sera: "Blast away!" She turns, and smacks the bike's rear wheel into Tegawa's face.

Conan: "That's...that's terrible..."

Sera seizes Conan and hugs him. "Oh my god, I'm so pleased you're alright!"

Conan: "Why the hell is she here?"

Amuro observes this from the sidelines. "Why is she here?" (She...if that's Sera he's looking at...we don't know...maybe he's looking at the car and it's why is that here...)

He glances round at Okiya's car driving past.

A phone call comes to Amuro, Okiya and Sera...

Vermouth looks down on the scene from a pedestrian bridge. She's parked her car and starts to speak...

Vermouth: "It seems that I've managed to gain some level of trust from you...You'll honour your promise to me, won't you? Bourbon?"
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I was just checking up some older chapters and came acrosss something interesting that I forgot about. In chapter 771 page 11, after the first case Sera appeared, Conan is talking with Haibara and says "That person is not an enemy or somehow I feel we've met somewhere before ... It might be that person resembles someone I know"
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Wakarimashita wrote: File 800  -  Translation by Zenthisoror from the DCTP spoiler c-box (http://www.dctp.ws/Latest/ConanNews.htm) :
Spoiler:
Serina: "You think that I'd commit suicide after killing the last person? I've got sleeping pills in my pocket...but that's because I've been having travel sleeping lately...I only used them to kidnap you..."

Conan: "Look, it's all a bit sloppy really...it was a bad decision to leave a bug with the body of the first man you killed...Maybe it's because you wanted to hear the terrified screams of Kashizuka Kei when he discovered it...If that was the case, he would have suspected the whole room to the bugged. Then he would have been on alert the whole time. And you've carelessly left the pistol you used to beat the guy to death, with it's handle still bloody, in the glove box...with another pistol...so that's three pistols in total, including the one at the Agency. Of course, the bullets have been removed, but you found the three pistols that were used in the robbery in Kashizuka Kei's room...Having killed Kashizuka, it was also a massive error to switch the phones...Even if the messages and address book have been erased, the police can still track down the owner!  There's no apparent plan to your movements...you don't care if messages or photos with sentimental value or the phone numbers of your friends are lost...It seemed as though you didn't care what happened after you'd killed the 3 who had killed your boyfriend...that's why I followed you...Anyway, I have to say I was curious to find out who the last bank robber was...if you do as I say, I'll tell you! If you agree with my reasoning...then you'll leave the last robber to the police and confess..."

Serina: "I...I understand...she's one of the three women we just saw, right?"

Conan: "Yep. We could pick up some of her features from the CCTV footage. She was trying to disguise the fact by holding the pistol in her right hand, but she was actually left handed!  When you're trying to climb over something the first foot you put forward is your leading leg...lefthanded people tend to have corresponding left leading legs...She also held the gumtape in her right hand and used her left hand to tear it up...when one of her companions fired, she put her left hand to her mouth...when people are surprised or shocked they try to touch their face and calm down and unconsciously they use their dominant hand..."

Serina: "So was it the first woman Toyokita? She opened the door with her left hand..."

Conan: "But the door was the kind where if you use your right hand, your arm comes in front of your body and gets in your way...You only need to show half your body to greet callers...that person's right handed! You can tell from the position of her mug handle to the chair...and the frypan handle position...and you'd have to be right handed to get butter on the left side of the blade of a butter knife. The second person also used her right hand to unlock the door!"

Serina: "In which case..."

Conan: "That's right...the mug was set to the left, the memo pad was to the left of the phone....To stop shadows forming when she wrote, the desklamp was on the right of the table...The pens and the sidetable were all on the left! Also, even if she was a writer close to a deadline, her mobile was switched off right?  Even if she had a home phone...a writer coming close to a deadline...she'd probably heard that a man had committed suicide at the Agency on the news...and anticipated that the police would call her as she was on his mobile's addressbook...  She probably thought they'd work out that Kashizuka Kei was one of the robbers through the huge amounts of small change and notes he'd have on him...The 2 million yen were coded...so she only used the money to buy small items...Tegawa san was taking away beef bowl's all the time because at some places you could use 10000 yen notes...and if you did a take away there was less chance of having your face remembered...Unlike a convenience store or a brand store, a beef bowl shop would be less likely to have CCTV...What do you think? Do you agree? Feel like confessing maybe?"

Serina: "Yes...I shall go along with your reasoning and go to the police station...but I think you've made one mistake...I only took two guns from Kashizuka Kei's room...The last one was a model gun I was given by a gunmaniac friend, which I had for my own protection...of course, it doesn't have any bullets..."

Conan: "But then...that must mean...the last real gun..."

Tegawa bursts into the car with the pistol, grabs Conan and points the gun at him...

Tegawa: "Fire up the car! And I'll direct us somewhere suitable without any possible witnesses!"

Conan: "To think that she was following us...Damn! My left arms being held down...I can't use my tranquiliser!"

Tegawa fires at the window of the driving seat and makes Serina start up the car. The Professor and co. are nearby...

Professor: "Just now...I thought I heard something like a gunshot..."

Haibara: "It's that car!"

Okiya: "In which case, we should alert Mr Mouri as to the situation..."

Professor: "Why not the police?"

Okiya: "Because they're the only ones who can explain everything to the police reliably...If we pass on the details about the make of the car and its number we could set up a check station of some sort."

Professor: "But what if the hostage is used as a human shield and the culprit gets away...?"

Okiya: "If it comes to that...then that situation will only last until sheer forceful strength stops it..."

Haibara's heart pounds.

Mouri: "What? They're heading northwards along Ouishikaido?"

Ran: "But that's this road isn't it?"

Mouri: "And? The car's a blue swift with the number..."

Amuro sees a blue Swift going in the opposite direction and does a U-turn. Sera follows.

Haibara: "What...what is this? This feeling...(She looks behind her) It's as though there's something chasing after us..."

Okiya: "There's no need for that expression..."

Haibara: "Eh?"

Okiya: "I won't let them get away..."

He leaves the steering wheel to Prof, opens the door, leans out of the car and is about to do something, when Amuro's car drives past and overtakes him...Do their eyes meet? Anyway, he closes the door.
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I now list some evidence that Sera could be Shinichi´s sister
1.After the first case with her she is very interested with conan-could mean that she knows that conan is Shinichi.
2.Conan knows her from somewhere
3.After that she asks out of nowhere where he is.After finding out that he is not there she is some kind of upset.
4.The comment about her mother.
5.The recent events.
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caniran wrote:
Spoiler:
I now list some evidence that Sera could be Shinichi´s sister
1.After the first case with her she is very interested with conan-could mean that she knows that conan is Shinichi.
2.Conan knows her from somewhere
3.After that she asks out of nowhere where he is.After finding out that he is not there she is some kind of upset.
4.The comment about her mother.
5.The recent events.

Spoiler:
So you'r saying Shinichi completely forgot he had a sibling?
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MaitreDétective wrote:
caniran wrote:
Spoiler:
I now list some evidence that Sera could be Shinichi´s sister
1.After the first case with her she is very interested with conan-could mean that she knows that conan is Shinichi.
2.Conan knows her from somewhere
3.After that she asks out of nowhere where he is.After finding out that he is not there she is some kind of upset.
4.The comment about her mother.
5.The recent events.

Spoiler:
So you'r saying Shinichi completely forgot he had a sibling?
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Maybe he saw her 12 years ago and so with a different look he was never enthusiastic to tell his friends about her.
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caniran wrote:
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I now list some evidence that Sera could be Shinichi´s sister
1.After the first case with her she is very interested with conan-could mean that she knows that conan is Shinichi.
2.Conan knows her from somewhere
3.After that she asks out of nowhere where he is.After finding out that he is not there she is some kind of upset.
4.The comment about her mother.
5.The recent events.

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Wait, you're actually serious about this theory? Because I can't see it happening. We've never ever heard about Shinichi having a sibling of sorts, if Gosho pulled that stunt it'd be a complete plotkai no jutsu. One of the strengths of a detective series is still in the at first sight unimportant things or happenings, which later on turn out to be clues.
caniran wrote:
MaitreDétective wrote:
caniran wrote:
Spoiler:
I now list some evidence that Sera could be Shinichi´s sister
1.After the first case with her she is very interested with conan-could mean that she knows that conan is Shinichi.
2.Conan knows her from somewhere
3.After that she asks out of nowhere where he is.After finding out that he is not there she is some kind of upset.
4.The comment about her mother.
5.The recent events.

Spoiler:
So you'r saying Shinichi completely forgot he had a sibling?
Spoiler:
Maybe he saw her 12 years ago and so with a different look he was never enthusiastic to tell his friends about her.
Spoiler:
Huh, what? Why would he not tell his friends about her? He'd be his sister! Was he so ashamed of her or what? Really, are you serious about this, or just being a troll?
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caniran wrote:
Spoiler:
I now list some evidence that Sera could be Shinichi´s sister
1.After the first case with her she is very interested with conan-could mean that she knows that conan is Shinichi.
2.Conan knows her from somewhere
3.After that she asks out of nowhere where he is.After finding out that he is not there she is some kind of upset.
4.The comment about her mother.
5.The recent events.

Just...no.
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1) She's interested because she probably knows Conan had something to do with saving her big brother, Akai. They're siblings. Surely they'd keep in contact.
2) "That person is not an enemy or somehow I feel we've met somewhere before ... It might be that person resembles someone I know" = "Sera reminds me of Akai, who I trust and helped save."
3) Sera seems to get attached easily to others. Besides, she probably feels gratitude towards Conan for helping Akai.
4) Just because her mother is buxom doesn't mean she's Yukiko.
5) What about em?

Adding on why this is complete nonsense:
* Shinichi would not just FORGET having a sister.
* Ran would know if Shinichi has a sister. They've been best friends since a very young age.
* Evidence points towards Sera being Akai's little sister, not Shinichi's. Read Chekhov's theories for specific details. Another clue is both Sera and Akai have name puns to Gundam characters who are related to eachother AND both look similar to eachother having same eyestyles. Aoyama did the same thing when he drew Rena and Eisuke who were revealed to be siblings.
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shinich has a sister in the same age?? twins??
i dont know its  too late for the series i mean after 15 years gosho  decided  this idea :-\   
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Sera being Conan/Shinichi's relative would be fun but I think Chekhov's theories about Amuro, Okiya and Sera will all come true. Or at least there will be more clues to tell us Okiya is Akai, Amuro is Bourbon and Sera is Akai's sister.
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Does anyone know any female characters who have met Ran,are over 35 years old and whose family background has not been specified?
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Why I ask is because It's possible that person is mother of Sera Masumi.
I can only name one character for now...
Diana.
but that would be quite a twist...
and someone suggested that already...somewhere...
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Diana?? The British Royal woman?
I'm turning my head up and down

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