Detective Conan Files 796-800 Discussion Thread: Dun dun dun

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Kite wrote:That's something I've been wondering too, ever since the spoiler pic of Okiya getting his gun and opening his door backwards. AFAIK (and I don't know all that much about cars), only Beetles have doors which open that way. So I guess Okiya likes Beetles too, they didn't take Agasa's car after all.
It's a Subaru 360, but it looks quite like a bug.
Kite wrote: Wouldn't it be easiest to simply start a big spoiler thread, in which the spoilers from all chapters can be discussed, and keep a separate spoiler-free thread open?When a chapter gets scanlated, everyone can discuss the file in the no-spoiler thread then. No need for some extra merging of threads and creating a new one each time either. It works in other fora, so why not here?
Because the merge method keeps the discussion more organized if you need to go back and look at it later. I do a lot of backtracking and rereading, so it would help me at least. Also non-spoiler people might want to eventually read the discussions the spoiler people had.
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Chekhov, it's scary how your theories seem to become reality
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the facts that Amuro is Bourbon and Okiya is Akai are almost confirmed. All we need now is confirmation on Sera because all we get on chapter 800 is confirmation that she is Shinichi's no.1 fan girl(not counting here Ran, Kazuha and Sonoko) :)
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Its so sure now Sera=Scar Akai
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Let's say that Okiya really was about to shoot the tires of the other car, why would he do so in front of Ai and Agasa? He's supposed to be a harmless graduate student, not someone who carries a gun around. I don't even think Japan allows people to own arms actually.

I bet Bourbon's promise to Vermouth concerns everyone's safety. Vermouth would make him to only take Shiho down and leave everybody else alone.

Does anyone know from the cover of the file if 800 is the solution and 801 is the start of an entirely new case? I hope so, I do miss Gin! :D

and also in page 14, it is not necessary that Okiya was making a call. I think he was just putting earphones in. Image



Oh I have a feeling that Ai's phone is either a Blackberry Torch 9860 or some touch-screen Android.
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Cider wrote: Let's say that Okiya really was about to shoot the tires of the other car, why would he do so in front of Ai and Agasa? He's supposed to be a harmless graduate student, not someone who carries a gun around. I don't even think Japan allows people to own arms actually.
Why not? Ai already thinks he is suspicious and he knows what she thinks of him. Even if Agasa and Ai know his true identity, it won't hurt him or his mission. What else besides a gun would Okiya be reaching for with his left hand inside his coat that would necessitate him leaning out the car?
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So, is anyone going to sub it or do we wait for next week? Also what does it say in the last panels
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where Vermouth is talking?
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Bob2000 wrote:
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So, is anyone going to sub it or do we wait for next week? Also what does it say in the last panels where Vermouth is talking?
Use a spoiler box. Yes it will be subbed, somewhere between Monday at the usual earliest and Friday at the usual latest. And if you want to know what the characters are saying go here http://dctpws.thetrogdor.com/Latest/ConanNews.htm
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Sonoci your 4koma...I LOVE IT!

and about the file...
I got new theory!
Spoiler: Really crazy crack theory
What got into my head is this:
Amuro:some perv who fell for Ran and is going to die,Red Herring.
Okiya: Akai Shuichi
Sera:SA , Akai's half-sister,Vermouth's daughter, Bourbon & NO:1. Conan/Shinichi Fangirl on the world.

Hate's Akai for being with goverment. happy go lucky girl who care's nothing of humanity. Still cares for those whom she likes. Psychopath who can kill someone while smiling and reciting Shinichi-quotes, Kills those who disagrees with her. Has crush on her brother (Yandere type,only she can kill him...).Because she is Conan/Shinichi Fangirl she knows he's protecting him but doesn't know should she kill her brother or enslave him...poor Shuu...
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Partsu wrote:
Spoiler: Really crazy crack theory
What got into my head is this:
Amuro:some perv who fell for Ran and is going to die,Red Herring.
Okiya: Akai Shuichi
Sera:SA , Akai's half-sister,Vermouth's daughter, Bourbon & NO:1. Conan/Shinichi Fangirl on the world.

Hate's Akai for being with goverment. happy go lucky girl who care's nothing of humanity. Still cares for those whom she likes. Psychopath who can kill someone while smiling and reciting Shinichi-quotes, Kills those who disagrees with her. Has crush on her brother (Yandere type,only she can kill him...).Because she is Conan/Shinichi Fangirl she knows he's protecting him but doesn't know should she kill her brother or enslave him...poor Shuu...
Hmmm... Interesting theory :V
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Anyway, I'm pretty grateful that we won't have a break between this file and 801. Although I doubt that the mystery involving Bourbon's identity would be revealed that instantly.

Gosho will probably make their answer to the phone calls ambiguous, e.g:

Okiya: "I will."
Amuro: "Alright."
Sera: "Fine."  

Every of the above can be a suitable answer for what Vermouth asked them, therefore we cannot know who's the right one yet.
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Partsu wrote:
Spoiler: Really crazy crack theory
What got into my head is this:
Amuro:some perv who fell for Ran and is going to die,Red Herring.
Okiya: Akai Shuichi
Sera:SA , Akai's half-sister,Vermouth's daughter, Bourbon & NO:1. Conan/Shinichi Fangirl on the world.

Hate's Akai for being with goverment. happy go lucky girl who care's nothing of humanity. Still cares for those whom she likes. Psychopath who can kill someone while smiling and reciting Shinichi-quotes, Kills those who disagrees with her. Has crush on her brother (Yandere type,only she can kill him...).Because she is Conan/Shinichi Fangirl she knows he's protecting him but doesn't know should she kill her brother or enslave him...poor Shuu...
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I like this theory xD ...But I don't know if it'd be true :X

My personal crazy theory (that literally popped into my head for no reason, I have seen the flaws myself, but I still get a kick out of it) is that Sera is Yukiko in disguise. That's how she's "related to one of the main characters" like Gosho said, why she references boob size (Yukiko's can carry a small child!) and why she's psycho when Shin-chanConan is attacked. Then, the one she's talking to at the end is Yuusaku

:P  8-) ...again, not serious at all so I'd appreciate a lack of "but what about this" and "then how come the FBI" sort of responses as I am already well aware of them :X
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sonoci wrote:
Partsu wrote:
Spoiler: Really crazy crack theory
What got into my head is this:
Amuro:some perv who fell for Ran and is going to die,Red Herring.
Okiya: Akai Shuichi
Sera:SA , Akai's half-sister,Vermouth's daughter, Bourbon & NO:1. Conan/Shinichi Fangirl on the world.

Hate's Akai for being with goverment. happy go lucky girl who care's nothing of humanity. Still cares for those whom she likes. Psychopath who can kill someone while smiling and reciting Shinichi-quotes, Kills those who disagrees with her. Has crush on her brother (Yandere type,only she can kill him...).Because she is Conan/Shinichi Fangirl she knows he's protecting him but doesn't know should she kill her brother or enslave him...poor Shuu...
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I like this theory xD ...But I don't know if it'd be true :X

My personal crazy theory (that literally popped into my head for no reason, I have seen the flaws myself, but I still get a kick out of it) is that Sera is Yukiko in disguise. That's how she's "related to one of the main characters" like Gosho said, why she references boob size (Yukiko's can carry a small child!) and why she's psycho when Shin-chanConan is attacked. Then, the one she's talking to at the end is Yuusaku

:P  8-) ...again, not serious at all so I'd appreciate a lack of "but what about this" and "then how come the FBI" sort of responses as I am already well aware of them :X
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I like this theory except I think it would be a-little-too-darn-hard for Yukiko to hide her boobs and disguise as a flat-chested fan-girl :-X .
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i think sear is kudo's sister AND bourbon
she learned that kudo is missing due to the bo so she joined them to investigate if he really is dead or not

another random theory

okiya is akai real peronality protecting AI

and amuro is a CIA agent checking on mouri and CO's protection

still in the random
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Semi crack on what happened between panels
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Okiya was reaching for his gun, but he forgot he'd had to replace it after being 'killed' and what actually ended up in his hand was his camera, the flash beside his head is when he realises what happened (or the flash of the camera) and is trying to come up with an excuse to tell Haibara and Agasa about being a photography enthusiast who couldn't resist getting good pictures of a real life car chase. The picture he took he then messaged to Fusae and Billy, then as soon as he stopped he put in his headphone to await a reply from them.
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sonoci wrote:
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I like this theory xD ...But I don't know if it'd be true :X

My personal crazy theory (that literally popped into my head for no reason, I have seen the flaws myself, but I still get a kick out of it) is that Sera is Yukiko in disguise. That's how she's "related to one of the main characters" like Gosho said, why she references boob size (Yukiko's can carry a small child!) and why she's psycho when Shin-chanConan is attacked. Then, the one she's talking to at the end is Yuusaku

:P  8-) ...again, not serious at all so I'd appreciate a lack of "but what about this" and "then how come the FBI" sort of responses as I am already well aware of them :X
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well, she could be talking with Yusaku without being Yukiko :)
But she probably got a call from who she is working with, since it seems she transferred to Ran and Shinichi's class to search for Shinichi. We still have to see whether Vermouth called her and mentioned protecting someone or it was Amuro that Vermouth called, since Okiya is a bit further ahead in the car and only Amuro seems to have noticed him when he leaned out of the car.
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mihai wrote: I thought Okiya was driving his own car, not Agasa's beetle who was not working at the moment. Does Okiya actually have a Beetle as well?[/spoiler]
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Okiya was driving his own Subaru360, a Japanese version of Beetle, which came into production in the 1950s and called as "ladybird" for its cute shape. The model is old so the door opens this way. Just as Beetles' success in America, Subaru360 used to be popular in Japan.  
Cracking theory about who is bourbon.
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Though the three new characters had the last suspicion, I would not assert that Bourbon must be among them. It was clear when passing through an overpass and RX-7 and approached, Ai felt something unusual. Since Vermouth stood a little far on the overpass, I exclude her and get 4 suspects, namely Amuro, Kogorou and Ran in the car, and Sera.
In this series, Ran had some strange behaviours.
1. At the beginning, she didn't wear a star pedant. Changes of accessories may be clues that  the person has been switched, for example, fake Araide and the real one had different  styles of eyeglasses.
2. Ran didn't recognize sera's phone number. As far as I can remember, her phone could show caller IDs.
3. Ran mentioned the tracing glasses and asked Ai to come( She couldn't forsaw Okiya would take a part).
4. Ran knew Sera would come but didn't wait for her.
When RX-7 passed, Okiya seemed to notice sth. Probably, it was Amuro, but Ran, seated next to him also appeared in the pic and cold sweat started out on her face. I think it is a passable explanation that Okiya figured out Fake Ran and Amuro smelt out she was a little strange. Then he huged her to set a bug or make sure she was not Ran(If Bourbon was an adult male, his weight must be much different from a girl's.)
Okiya wore his bluetooth headset after Conan was safe and I didn't see his phone ring. So if he was not monitoring someone, I assume he  made a call, likely to Amuro or Sera, to warn of Fake Ran. Vermouth was talking with Fake Ran.
But there are some holes. I wonder if Conan and Kogorou can't tell a fake Ran.
About the case
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The robber got Conan's left hand right on his watch. When trying to grab someone by arm, we commonly avoid the accessories. Why she did the opposite as if she knew the function of the watch? Given Vermouth' words"Finally, you achieve trust", I wonder she had concocted the plot, as she once did in 325, and helped Bourbon to achieve trust, so the robber was warned of the watch in advance.
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