Conan was pushing Kogoro outside too. Unless Conan is in on it...caribou wrote: -> This would also explain why Amuro deliberately led everyone outside after he had deduced that the client was in fact in the bathroom (1st file in this case). He had to give the murder the opportunity to happen!
it explains why he didn't told others obout missing shoes of conan and serina-san.caribou wrote: going to go out on a limb (and some hopefulness~) that the case itself is connected to the BO. i suggested earlier that the BO's work may include a "consulting criminal" kind of work - where people go to them for help/instructions to get dirty work done. So the lady suspect here is the sister (or girlfriend?) of the bank employee who was killed. she wants revenge but doesn't know how to go about it - so she consults the BO (through a channel that is many many levels below the central org). they give her instructions how to go about the murders, provide the gun and listening devices, etc. in exchange, she gives the loot of the robbery. (i think the money is with the 3 robbers, but they need something to modify the serial number or smth to make it usable, this has to do with the locker?)
she may be contacted through 'dummy' numbers/e-mails - contacts that aren't traceable to anyone (or anyone important) -- that may be why she's having trouble contacting the people she is trying to contact in the last file. communication had always been one-way but now she urgently needs to find the last bank robber and kill her tonight
Why I think the BO may be involved:
1. My assumption that things like guns and listening devices aren't very commonplace for ordinary people to obtain.
2. If the Amuro-is-Bourbon theory is correct, he became Kogoro's disciple in order to observe him. Amuro doesn't know yet that dead bodies drop around Kogoro (or rather Conan) wherever he goes, so to ENSURE that he gets a case to observe Kogoro, he plants this case right in the detective agency.
-> This is why the crime had to take place in the detective agency (Kogoro would HAVE to investigate it) even though, logically speaking, it is not the most ideal place for a planned murder.
-> It cannot be traceable to the BO in anyway so the murder could not be done by the BO itself.
-> This would also explain why Amuro deliberately led everyone outside after he had deduced that the client was in fact in the bathroom (1st file in this case). He had to give the murder the opportunity to happen!
Of course there are a lot of holes with this theory but, give it a chance ;D
Not necessarily. Approaching Kogoro might just have been his own agenda, not The Boss' or anyone's order.sstimson wrote: Let me explain. If he is BO, then They would need a very good reason to put an agent in danger like that. It becomes a game of cat and mouse. After all if Kogorou figures out Amuro is Bo then setting a trap and catching him is no trouble, and then The BO has an agent being question about the BO. very dangerous to the BO.
Gin said that Bourbon is secretive. It makes sense if he decides not to check up with other BOs first, especially Gin.Now if Amuro is Bourbon, the logical step he would take is to question BO members, but those kind of questions would get back to Gin and as of the Red Shirt case, he says he has no idea what Bourbon is up to.
Sorry. I just saw this. For this theory to work, Bourbon must not have had BO allegiance while Akai was infiltrating lest he blow Akai's cover instantly. Also, I would have a hard time believing the BO would trust a brother of Akai to be at codename level, no matter how evident it was to others that Bourbon hated Shuuichi. Akai burned the BO pretty bad, managing to codename and no doubt learning much incriminating info about the BO's operation style in the process. What sort of loyalty test could have convinced the boss Bourbon wasn't faking short of Bourbon killing Shuuichi himself?mihai wrote: what if Akai and Bourbon are brothers or something? First, in chapter 704 Okiya say "I've known his face for a very long time..." which means alot more time than just since they started working for BO and second, Bourbon was said to hate Akai even more than Gin does which means Bourbon knows Akai since way before he joined BO undercover
Black Demon wrote: Not necessarily. Approaching Kogoro might just have been his own agenda, not The Boss' or anyone's order.
Gin said that Bourbon is secretive. It makes sense if he decides not to check up with other BOs first, especially Gin.
But there is still a great risk he is taking unless part of this is true and he knows there is no risk from korogou anyway, but for the others Ran, and Conan figuring something is not right. Why take that risk? What could he get from Korogou worth that risk?Black Demon wrote:Not necessarily. Approaching Kogoro might just have been his own agenda, not The Boss' or anyone's order.sstimson wrote: Let me explain. If he is BO, then They would need a very good reason to put an agent in danger like that. It becomes a game of cat and mouse. After all if Kogorou figures out Amuro is Bo then setting a trap and catching him is no trouble, and then The BO has an agent being question about the BO. very dangerous to the BO.
Again I asked how if he now knows the truth, at least part way, and he did not go through BO members to learn it, then how did he learn that Korogou is no risk, and why again take the risk of the others finding out?Black Demon wrote:Gin said that Bourbon is secretive. It makes sense if he decides not to check up with other BOs first, especially Gin.Now if Amuro is Bourbon, the logical step he would take is to question BO members, but those kind of questions would get back to Gin and as of the Red Shirt case, he says he has no idea what Bourbon is up to.
Taking risk is necessary for the development of the plot. Imagine if NOBODY inside the BO ever risked themselves doing something, then they would NEVER find out anything. And this series would NEVER end. It also works the other way around.sstimson wrote: But there is still a great risk he is taking unless part of this is true and he knows there is no risk from korogou anyway, but for the others Ran, and Conan figuring something is not right. Why take that risk? What could he get from Korogou worth that risk?
I'm sorry I don't really understand your point.Again I asked how if he now knows the truth, at least part way, and he did not go through BO members to learn it, then how did he learn that Korogou is no risk, and why again take the risk of the others finding out?
Not a point but a question, that you are missing in part one and repeated here. I understand you stated they will take the risk and maybe why. But the other Side of the why, What do they gain by taking that risk?Black Demon wrote:Taking risk is necessary for the development of the plot. Imagine if NOBODY inside the BO ever risked themselves doing something, then they would NEVER find out anything. And this series would NEVER end. It also works the other way around.sstimson wrote: But there is still a great risk he is taking unless part of this is true and he knows there is no risk from korogou anyway, but for the others Ran, and Conan figuring something is not right. Why take that risk? What could he get from Korogou worth that risk?
I also don't know how you define "a great risk", but Vermouth has been doing a lot of much more dangerous activities during her time disguising as Araide, and she has no fear of getting exposed. She sneaked into the Tokyo Police HQ and stole folders about Kogoro, she even did that one more time just to return them (mentioned in Vol 34). Of course her disguising skill could indeed be useful, but there was still NO guarantee that she wouldn't be caught, however she did that anyway. Later, she whitely black-mailed a random guy into killing someone using her real code name "Vermouth" (Vol 42), which the culprit has actually shouted out loud in front of everyone. Every action above can easily gets her identity exposed, but she didn't care. So we can assume that Amuro has the same personality.
And, like I said above, taking risks must also happens vise-versa. The fact that Conan boldly eavesdrops and follows the BO countless of times is a proof of this. Sometimes he almost got discovered (the finest example was in Vol 38), but he still continues doing that. Because otherwise the plot would NEVER develop, and Conan would NEVER learn anything. Akai also had to take risk by being an undercover operative, because it was his mission.
I'm sorry I don't really understand your point.Again I asked how if he now knows the truth, at least part way, and he did not go through BO members to learn it, then how did he learn that Korogou is no risk, and why again take the risk of the others finding out?
i think the BO can work in many ways. it's not that they will hesitate to kill anyone, but especially if Amuro/Bourbon is more independent in the way he works, he may just decide that the best way to go about the investigation is to be discreet about it rather than kill everyone. we don't know yet what he is after.. maybe he is looking for information which can be better gotten secretly. not everyone gives up info so easily being kidnapped and questioned.kuro_shiro wrote: however what it doesn't explain is why on earth would BO go to such lengths. the BO we know would kidnap kogoro and others ,extract whatever info it can and then kill them.
i can't think BO to do it secretly b'coz it cares about innocent peoples
yeah I admit that is one of the holes in the theory.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Conan was pushing Kogoro outside too. Unless Conan is in on it...caribou wrote: -> This would also explain why Amuro deliberately led everyone outside after he had deduced that the client was in fact in the bathroom (1st file in this case). He had to give the murder the opportunity to happen!
i don't really get why he did that... not sure if it is just Bourbon's (assuming he is Amuro) suspicion alone or whether he was instructed by the BO, but Kogoro must have attracted a lot of attention by solving so many crimes. He could pose a problem to the BO in the future. So even if Bourbon/BO haven't worked out who Conan is and who Haibara is, i think there is more than enough reason for Bourbon to want to check up on him, see what he's like and how he works (and how good he really is?), whether on his own volition or by BO's instructions...sstimson wrote: Not a point but a question, that you are missing in part one and repeated here. I understand you stated they will take the risk and maybe why. But the other Side of the why, What do they gain by taking that risk?
if he is investigating Kogoro i think he would already have read the news reports. there is only so much you can find out about someone from news reports, and we don't know yet exactly what he is after. and i think that Amuro/Bourbon would be relying on the fact that he is smart enough not to get trapped. i'm sure he hasn't been compared to Sherlock Holmes for nothing.sstimson wrote: If that is the case, then there is still this question. Why not just read news reports about the cases, thus staying well in the background, and with no risk. Why get so close to Kogorou to maybe walk in to a trap?
If the BO want to progress they have to put themselves into risks with plan A,B,and C if they get caught( vermouth is a good example)sstimson wrote: If that is the case, then there is still this question. Why not just read news reports about the cases, thus staying well in the background, and with no risk. Why get so close to Kogorou to maybe walk in to a trap?
I see. So you’re questioning about Bourbon’s objective.sstimson wrote: Not a point but a question, that you are missing in part one and repeated here. I understand you stated they will take the risk and maybe why. But the other Side of the why, What do they gain by taking that risk?
The second part goes with what you might not believe. That being the BO does not take foolish risk. That any risk they taken must be less then the reward and they will do all they can to minimize that risk. As I believe that if the Bo are indeed working with Korogou they either have a very great reward coming, or they know most of the truth (Korogou is a fake,Conan is the brains, Ran is also sharp) And have prepare their move to avoid what part of the risk they can.
I am asking (again no point) that if that part of the above is true (Korogou is a fake, Conan is the brains, Ran is also sharp), how did they learn it without using the BO members?
