There is no point arguing with Sstimson with the clash arc right around the corner. He won't come around to see Okiya is Akai, no matter how many contradictions you or I point out in his theory. It's just his way of doing things.Detective Sato wrote: And does this friend know about the BO? He did refer to them as wolves.
And why did he start living in an apartment and wait for it to go on fire because of someone else's doing and make the detective boys along with conan go to that boy's apartment with some incredible power?
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Excuse me, but, if Subaru is in the story for that reason... who is better than Akai to provide him support? He's fighting against them too.
I don't think that Yusaku will tell anybody about the BO and his son beeing a little kid again because of some kind of drug (?
I don't think that Yusaku will tell anybody about the BO and his son beeing a little kid again because of some kind of drug (?
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Guess you're right.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:There is no point arguing with Sstimson with the clash arc right around the corner. He won't come around to see Okiya is Akai, no matter how many contradictions you or I point out in his theory. It's just his way of doing things.Detective Sato wrote: And does this friend know about the BO? He did refer to them as wolves.
And why did he start living in an apartment and wait for it to go on fire because of someone else's doing and make the detective boys along with conan go to that boy's apartment with some incredible power?
Yeah, you're quite logical. But I guess Chekhov is right about sstimson not changing his mind.believer08 wrote: Excuse me, but, if Subaru is in the story for that reason... who is better than Akai to provide him support? He's fighting against them too.
I don't think that Yusaku will tell anybody about the BO and his son beeing a little kid again because of some kind of drug (?
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And you likewise on the other front.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:There is no point arguing with Sstimson with the clash arc right around the corner. He won't come around to see Okiya is Akai, no matter how many contradictions you or I point out in his theory. It's just his way of doing things.Detective Sato wrote: And does this friend know about the BO? He did refer to them as wolves.
And why did he start living in an apartment and wait for it to go on fire because of someone else's doing and make the detective boys along with conan go to that boy's apartment with some incredible power?
Time factor - It can take years for major face to heal. How did Akai do it in five days?
Smoking - Okiya seem to be a non smoker, Akai was a smoker
Personality - Akai was an Introvert, Okiya seem to be an Extrovert
Please explain how in five days one can go from a Introvert Smoker to a Extrovert Non-Smoker with a new face as well
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See their listings under "Rebuttals to commonly used arguments that Okiya is not Akai".sstimson wrote:And you likewise on the other front.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:There is no point arguing with Sstimson with the clash arc right around the corner. He won't come around to see Okiya is Akai, no matter how many contradictions you or I point out in his theory. It's just his way of doing things.Detective Sato wrote: And does this friend know about the BO? He did refer to them as wolves.
And why did he start living in an apartment and wait for it to go on fire because of someone else's doing and make the detective boys along with conan go to that boy's apartment with some incredible power?
Time factor - It can take years for major face to heal. How did Akai do it in five days?
Smoking - Okiya seem to be a non smoker, Akai was a smoker
Personality - Akai was an Introvert, Okiya seem to be an Extrovert
Please explain how in five days one can go from a Introvert Smoker to a Extrovert Non-Smoker with a new face as well
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Time factor while hard to prove even after look at your page remains. That kind of face surgery would likely take up to a year to recover. Do you really think only three cases have happened in that time? As famous as Korogou now is I find that most unlikely. Also Gosho has a habit of stringing cases along in order. A good example are the cases leading up to the Monster Party. One case was linked to another. I believe we can use that as a framework and say that at most two to three weeks of time have gone on in that world, again not enough time. Plus I showed two other reason not even touched on that page. Again
Okiya - non smoker , Akai Smoker; (kind of touched on, but I disagree with your though that he could quit that fast, and I know a real life person that while they have the patch, they still smoke every chance they get. That kind of thing could not end in three weeks)
and Akai introvert, Okiya extrovert. (again somewhat toughed on, and again I think you are wrong. An Introvert person is that way for life. It is not something you can fake. Akai gets energy from being alone. Okiya get energy from being with others. It who they are. It is a part of them. It is not something you can change.) Akai secretive and stays in the background, Okiya cares for flowers and very open in often in the foreground. The personality between the two is different. (see my last point. Akai seem to be Melancholic. I place Okiya as Phlegmatic. Two very different temperaments and again a temperament is something you are born with. You can not fake it for a long period of time.)
And while you might be able to fake engineering to a teacher or professor, faking it to someone in the Business is another story all together.
And maybe another proof about Yusaku being involved. If Okiya told Asaga his mission, then no faking is needed.
Also there is the danger factor. Granted they might think Akai is dead, though certain pages suggest otherwise. WE know they are looking for Sherry. Why would Conan put two eggs in a basket so close together. It makes much more sense to keep them far apart so if bad thing happen, then at least one is safe. Two kinds of bait are not needed when one will do.
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And because of the danger factor, I can not see Yusaku allowing someone who will get that house destroyed if found out. After all it is his house and it has a lot of memories in it. If It was not important to them, and a kind of home away from home, then that house would no longer be owned by them and Conan could not give the keys away. Something off screen had to happen to tell Conan that this person know his parents and works with them. Someone who the parents would approve of and in the process not endanger their home. After all while Conan might hold the keys, if his parents come home for any time, any person in their home that they do not know about is going to jail.
Again a very clear clue is the fact that Okiya is still there and Conan's hand on parents have not yet made an appearance.
As for what Yusaka told Okiya would be something like this: Our son has a bad habit of doing things without thinking. Could you please find a place near our house as to keep informed with what he is doing,and to be there if he need somebody. Show pictures of BO members, also if you see any of these, contact us right away. My son, the Detective is working on a case about them, and they might be a danger to him. Try to keep him safe. Thanks. If you need to, you can tell him why you are there, as he might find out anyway.
As for part two, well that is not needed note the location is already near Shinichi's Parents home. ( It could be seen from the apartment that burned down).So he did not need to wait. That was his base. It likely he told Conan that he was his parents watchdog, and saw that the Professor place would make a good new base. But Haibara did not yet like him. As Conan already knew that Okiya was from his parents, he saw no reason not to let him stay in his Parents home as he already knows about them, and they sent him to watch Conan.
Okiya - non smoker , Akai Smoker; (kind of touched on, but I disagree with your though that he could quit that fast, and I know a real life person that while they have the patch, they still smoke every chance they get. That kind of thing could not end in three weeks)
and Akai introvert, Okiya extrovert. (again somewhat toughed on, and again I think you are wrong. An Introvert person is that way for life. It is not something you can fake. Akai gets energy from being alone. Okiya get energy from being with others. It who they are. It is a part of them. It is not something you can change.) Akai secretive and stays in the background, Okiya cares for flowers and very open in often in the foreground. The personality between the two is different. (see my last point. Akai seem to be Melancholic. I place Okiya as Phlegmatic. Two very different temperaments and again a temperament is something you are born with. You can not fake it for a long period of time.)
And while you might be able to fake engineering to a teacher or professor, faking it to someone in the Business is another story all together.
And maybe another proof about Yusaku being involved. If Okiya told Asaga his mission, then no faking is needed.
Also there is the danger factor. Granted they might think Akai is dead, though certain pages suggest otherwise. WE know they are looking for Sherry. Why would Conan put two eggs in a basket so close together. It makes much more sense to keep them far apart so if bad thing happen, then at least one is safe. Two kinds of bait are not needed when one will do.
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believer08 wrote: Excuse me, but, if Subaru is in the story for that reason... who is better than Akai to provide him support? He's fighting against them too.
I don't think that Yusaku will tell anybody about the BO and his son beeing a little kid again because of some kind of drug (?
I partly just explained what I call a danger factor. Why not Akai? First there is a very good chance that Akai is currently with the CIA and in America. I think the People checking on that car crash near Akai shooting were lying in wait for a signal. Once they got it, they moved into action. The timing is just too good. That "Police" car is very unlikely to be there by chance. Now the FBI act like they know next to nothing about Akai being alive. Seeing Scar surprised them. So who would have the resources to Help the fake murder if not the FBI? The Answer I got to that question is the CIA. There would be no need to set up a scene for them as they are in on it. All they need to do it set it up right, and write the report the right way and no one is the wiser. And I am sure that once the CIA got Akai, he was moved to a place completely safe and somewhat protected and watched. After all normally People who are in protective custody have someone near them to watch and be there if needed. So if Okiya is Akai, where are his?Detective Sato wrote: And does this friend know about the BO? He did refer to them as wolves.
And why did he start living in an apartment and wait for it to go on fire because of someone else's doing and make the detective boys along with conan go to that boy's apartment with some incredible power?
And because of the danger factor, I can not see Yusaku allowing someone who will get that house destroyed if found out. After all it is his house and it has a lot of memories in it. If It was not important to them, and a kind of home away from home, then that house would no longer be owned by them and Conan could not give the keys away. Something off screen had to happen to tell Conan that this person know his parents and works with them. Someone who the parents would approve of and in the process not endanger their home. After all while Conan might hold the keys, if his parents come home for any time, any person in their home that they do not know about is going to jail.
Again a very clear clue is the fact that Okiya is still there and Conan's hand on parents have not yet made an appearance.
As for what Yusaka told Okiya would be something like this: Our son has a bad habit of doing things without thinking. Could you please find a place near our house as to keep informed with what he is doing,and to be there if he need somebody. Show pictures of BO members, also if you see any of these, contact us right away. My son, the Detective is working on a case about them, and they might be a danger to him. Try to keep him safe. Thanks. If you need to, you can tell him why you are there, as he might find out anyway.
As for part two, well that is not needed note the location is already near Shinichi's Parents home. ( It could be seen from the apartment that burned down).So he did not need to wait. That was his base. It likely he told Conan that he was his parents watchdog, and saw that the Professor place would make a good new base. But Haibara did not yet like him. As Conan already knew that Okiya was from his parents, he saw no reason not to let him stay in his Parents home as he already knows about them, and they sent him to watch Conan.
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If Okiya really was one of Yuusaku's friends, then he could totally be BO.
Sharon, alias Vermouth, was one of Yukiko's friends, after all.
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Or the real Chris, who was really a guy after all. :-XAbs. wrote: If Okiya really was one of Yuusaku's friends, then he could totally be BO.
Sharon, alias Vermouth, was one of Yukiko's friends, after all.
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Yes your right. It even be a Interpol mole for the BO.Abs. wrote: If Okiya really was one of Yuusaku's friends, then he could totally be BO.
Sharon, alias Vermouth, was one of Yukiko's friends, after all.
But there is the other possibility Seen back when the family might have visited Hawaii
OKiya: I can not find my kitten
Shinichi after going to the scene: she should be with a friend and will be back in a week
One week later
Okiya: Shinichi, thank you. My kitten has returned
Shinichi: your very welcome
Currently
Okiya thinking: Yes I am BO but to Shinichi, I must be nice, after all in one of the darkest days of my life, Shinichi was the light at the end of the tunnel. I can not hurt him.
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Akai introvert, Okiya extrovert.sstimson wrote:Spoiler:
You really think it's impossible to change from one to another?
You are reading too much...
People can be both you know...with right enviroment people act differently.
You should stalk people more to see how one's behavior changes in different groups of people...
and where have we seen Akai in "normal" situation?
maybe he smokes only when he's working... or alone...working...thinking...
and has used Okiya disguise to keep himself from assasinated for so long
that he's comfortable enough with the character...
remember that he was number one target of BO...so it's understandable...
Maybe his character really is neither introvert nor extrovert...
maybe he's acting gloomy all the time to distance himself from others...
and acting all friendly outgoing otherwise...
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indeed its possible to act different way tobi from naruto does is playing dumb but being serious soo akai can as wellPartsu wrote:Akai introvert, Okiya extrovert.sstimson wrote:Spoiler:
You really think it's impossible to change from one to another?
You are reading too much...
People can be both you know...with right enviroment people act differently.
You should stalk people more to see how one's behavior changes in different groups of people...
and where have we seen Akai in "normal" situation?
maybe he smokes only when he's working... or alone...working...thinking...
and has used Okiya disguise to keep himself from assasinated for so long
that he's comfortable enough with the character...
remember that he was number one target of BO...so it's understandable...
Maybe his character really is neither introvert nor extrovert...
maybe he's acting gloomy all the time to distance himself from others...
and acting all friendly outgoing otherwise...

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It depends on their level of introversion. I am one and I try to avoid being in a group with too many people. When that happens, i feel very uncomfortable and try as fast as I can to be by myself again. I am a loner, and the signs point to Akai being one as well. Okiya seems to be the exact opposite. He seem to be at home when he is with other people and shows no signs of wanting to escape. Introverts are best when they are alone or in very small groups. More then that and they look to escape as soon as possible. Look at the Kir case. Akai was most of the time either by himself or with very few people. More then that and they looks for escape like Akai did with Conan to the roof.Partsu wrote:Akai introvert, Okiya extrovert.sstimson wrote:Spoiler:
You really think it's impossible to change from one to another?
You are reading too much...
People can be both you know...with right enviroment people act differently.
You should stalk people more to see how one's behavior changes in different groups of people...
and where have we seen Akai in "normal" situation?
maybe he smokes only when he's working... or alone...working...thinking...
and has used Okiya disguise to keep himself from assasinated for so long
that he's comfortable enough with the character...
remember that he was number one target of BO...so it's understandable...
Maybe his character really is neither introvert nor extrovert...
maybe he's acting gloomy all the time to distance himself from others...
and acting all friendly outgoing otherwise...
Look at this site and at myth 10 Quoted for you
myth #10 – Introverts can fix themselves and become Extroverts.
Introverts cannot “fix themselvesâ€
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sstimson, when has Okiya ever voluntarily put himself in a situation where he'd have to interact with a large amount of people for a long amount of time? Excluding anything where his presence is absolutely needed to help save someone...
On the contrary, Akai put himself in the center of attention a number of times when he was working with his FBI colleagues at the hospital.
One must not let one's own assumptions cloud one's thinking as far as actual evidence is concerned.
On the contrary, Akai put himself in the center of attention a number of times when he was working with his FBI colleagues at the hospital.
One must not let one's own assumptions cloud one's thinking as far as actual evidence is concerned.
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about those...
I'd say you are delusional if you say Akai is introvert.
and that's my final.
until you show me Akai in other enviroment than his work then I'm saying that all his acting is his "workface"
and Okiya is not outrovert...he's just polite when he needs to be and intercts with others out of necessity...
like Abs. pointed out...
I'd say you are delusional if you say Akai is introvert.
and that's my final.
until you show me Akai in other enviroment than his work then I'm saying that all his acting is his "workface"
and Okiya is not outrovert...he's just polite when he needs to be and intercts with others out of necessity...
like Abs. pointed out...
I wonder why everyone else seems able to say what I really wanted to say while I write everything in a way that makes some people misunderstand me?Abs. wrote: sstimson, when has Okiya ever voluntarily put himself in a situation where he'd have to interact with a large amount of people for a long amount of time? Excluding anything where his presence is absolutely needed to help save someone...
On the contrary, Akai put himself in the center of attention a number of times when he was working with his FBI colleagues at the hospital.
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Example is how Okiya acted when he was first introduced. A large crowd at the scene and yet he seen to be just fine and not nervousness or unconformable. Also when he is outside in the fish clue rock case again he seems fine, while most introverts would find that situation very draining.
Forced on Akai part being with many others and note as soon as he can he is back by himself. Compare the number of times he is in a group of several persons, with the time he either by himself or a very small group.
Also Akai method of action also shows introversion. Introverts like to think and plan before acting. Okiya seem the reverse. He seem to act on impulse. His action seem to have very little planning behind them. He see flowers not being cared for. Instead of asking about them or wait to see if anyone will care for them, he just acts without thinking. That the way Extroverts seem to act. they seem to act first and think later.
The titles of introvert and extrovert are based on more then just how they do in a group, they are also based on how much they think before they act. Compare Conan the extrovert to Haibara an introvert. And see will see more of what I am talking about.
And thanks to DCW I got a little proof about Akai being a introvert. Vol 49 File 2 page 13. And read what James Black is saying about him.
Forced on Akai part being with many others and note as soon as he can he is back by himself. Compare the number of times he is in a group of several persons, with the time he either by himself or a very small group.
Also Akai method of action also shows introversion. Introverts like to think and plan before acting. Okiya seem the reverse. He seem to act on impulse. His action seem to have very little planning behind them. He see flowers not being cared for. Instead of asking about them or wait to see if anyone will care for them, he just acts without thinking. That the way Extroverts seem to act. they seem to act first and think later.
The titles of introvert and extrovert are based on more then just how they do in a group, they are also based on how much they think before they act. Compare Conan the extrovert to Haibara an introvert. And see will see more of what I am talking about.
And thanks to DCW I got a little proof about Akai being a introvert. Vol 49 File 2 page 13. And read what James Black is saying about him.
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