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It's nice that Amuro wants to be Kogoro apprentice...that means he will meet Sera and Haibara very often^^ÃŽ can't wait to see what's going to happen in the next cases
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Since Kogoro and Haibara have very little interactions. I doubt he'll meet her 'very often'. ^^
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The DB sometimes come to the detective agency to see Conan...If Amuro becomes Kogoro apprentice,there are chances that the DB will interact with him...I'm not Gosho,so that's only my guesses^^
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oh yeah...  8-)
this is going just perfectly... >:D

the case after the next one will be interesting... ;D
it would be too soon for Bourbon arc to end...
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Everything is falling into place now...
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The fact that Amuro wants to be Mouri's apprendice is a little too obvious if he is bourbon and his objetive is watching conan or ai... but there is not another explanation to it. Why is he so interested? What about he noticing Conan playing the all the show of the "sleeping detective" and just pretend not to notice?
And about Gosho did the Okiya=Bourbon misdirection and he might also try Toru=Akai... this could twist in the story. He's making us supect that but the fact is Toru is Bourbon and Skar Akai aaand Okiya is actually Akai in disguise... Don't know, but this is just getting better and better :D
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Just to let others know, there is an completely innocent reason for asking to be an apprentice. Thank how famous Mouri's is. Why would not an up and coming detective ask to learn from one of the best? He might hope someday to be as good as Mouri someday. I know you (not me) must look for obvious clues everywhere. But be careful not to fall in the trap of expecting too much of what is likely another red herring. Surely Gosho would hide something important better then that.
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sstimson wrote: Just to let others know, there is an completely innocent reason for asking to be an apprentice. Thank how famous Mouri's is. Why would not an up and coming detective ask to learn from one of the best? He might hope someday to be as good as Mouri someday. I know you (not me) must look for obvious clues everywhere. But be careful not to fall in the trap of expecting too much of what is likely another red herring. Surely Gosho would hide something important better then that.
There are two reasons why Gosho might add another secondary character:
1) A character who is supposed to be a love interest of an already existing character
2) It's a character related to the plot (the B.O.)

So unless the dude is actually Yumi's childhood friend, he'll end up being plot-related.
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Kor wrote: There are two reasons why Gosho might add another secondary character:
1) A character who is supposed to be a love interest of an already existing character
2) It's a character related to the plot (the B.O.)

So unless the dude is actually Yumi's childhood friend, he'll end up being plot-related.
That pretty much sums it up

Also, I don't know if I misread something, but was it posted somewhere that Conan thought Amuro would be a love rival? I...I really hope not
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sonoci wrote:
Also, I don't know if I misread something, but was it posted somewhere that Conan thought Amuro would be a love rival? I...I really hope not
That could lead to a new Ran suspicion arc. It's quite possible, there weren't love rivals since Araide... (If I remember correctly)
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sstimson wrote: Just to let others know, there is an completely innocent reason for asking to be an apprentice. Thank how famous Mouri's is. Why would not an up and coming detective ask to learn from one of the best? He might hope someday to be as good as Mouri someday. I know you (not me) must look for obvious clues everywhere. But be careful not to fall in the trap of expecting too much of what is likely another red herring. Surely Gosho would hide something important better then that.
So you think, you honestly think, that a new character will appear, become a recurring character, and not be related at all to the plot when he perfectly fits the description of a mysterious antagonist as stated by other characters?  When we're just shy of chapter 800?

I honestly can't tell whether you're incredibly naive or if you just like to go against logic so that you can argue.
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believer08 wrote:
sonoci wrote:
Also, I don't know if I misread something, but was it posted somewhere that Conan thought Amuro would be a love rival? I...I really hope not
That could lead to a new Ran suspicion arc. It's quite possible, there weren't love rivals since Araide... (If I remember correctly)
There was Eisuke, and Sera for a very short time.  XD  Probably more but I don't remember.
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GinRei wrote:
sstimson wrote: Just to let others know, there is an completely innocent reason for asking to be an apprentice. Thank how famous Mouri's is. Why would not an up and coming detective ask to learn from one of the best? He might hope someday to be as good as Mouri someday. I know you (not me) must look for obvious clues everywhere. But be careful not to fall in the trap of expecting too much of what is likely another red herring. Surely Gosho would hide something important better then that.
So you think, you honestly think, that a new character will appear, become a recurring character, and not be related at all to the plot when he perfectly fits the description of a mysterious antagonist as stated by other characters?  When we're just shy of chapter 800?

I honestly can't tell whether you're incredibly naive or if you just like to go against logic so that you can argue.
This new character

1) is not  recurring yet.
2) Conan suggest he is another Kogorou as in mindless. If that is the case. Then He will either give up fast as he going to realize quickly that all Korogou want from him is leg work.( How long would you work for someone who has you do all the work and they take ALL the credit and you do not even get mentioned ).
3) He sounds like a student, so at best he be like a Sokono or a DB and be part of a case once and a while, (Note NOT EVERY CASE)
4) (part of #2) He might realize he be better on his own and vanish.
5) (half kidding) He might be the FAN. Conan might need to stop him from loving Kogorou to DEATH.
6) He is the prefect character for a red herring. Note when and how he is introduced. He way too obvious for a good story ( for a bad one he might be great ).

    IMO a good author of mysteries does not just put the killer for all to see with arrows pointing to him with the word killer on them, though he might do that with a fake / red herring. The good writer hide his clues better then that. Another example, you are in a pyramid. Do you take the wide and very open path ahead of you or do you look for the hidden door and a very narrow and twisted path?  In that example going down that wide path is almost a sure trap and death waiting. In a mystery story as well, I think it is best to search for the hidden clues that might takes several rereading to find, then to jump into an almost certain trap of the writer just giving you what you want and are looking for.
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I would love Sonoko to meet Amuro and try to set Ran up with him. XD

Okiya and Amuro are both distinctive detective type characters to whom Conan didn't show any suspicious reactions... regardless of which theory you subscribe to, this will be interesting. :)

I'm not a fan of the conclusion of this case though..
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it's an interesting idea but (like a previous poster) I can't imagine why she would have such a drastic reaction to the news if she had suspected it for some time. I also don't see why she should commit suicide over something like this? But maybe I'm just heartless.  :|
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sstimson wrote:
GinRei wrote:
sstimson wrote: Just to let others know, there is an completely innocent reason for asking to be an apprentice. Thank how famous Mouri's is. Why would not an up and coming detective ask to learn from one of the best? He might hope someday to be as good as Mouri someday. I know you (not me) must look for obvious clues everywhere. But be careful not to fall in the trap of expecting too much of what is likely another red herring. Surely Gosho would hide something important better then that.
So you think, you honestly think, that a new character will appear, become a recurring character, and not be related at all to the plot when he perfectly fits the description of a mysterious antagonist as stated by other characters?  When we're just shy of chapter 800?

I honestly can't tell whether you're incredibly naive or if you just like to go against logic so that you can argue.
This new character

1) is not  recurring yet.
2) Conan suggest he is another Kogorou as in mindless. If that is the case. Then He will either give up fast as he going to realize quickly that all Korogou want from him is leg work.( How long would you work for someone who has you do all the work and they take ALL the credit and you do not even get mentioned ).
3) He sounds like a student, so at best he be like a Sokono or a DB and be part of a case once and a while, (Note NOT EVERY CASE)
4) (part of #2) He might realize he be better on his own and vanish.
5) (half kidding) He might be the FAN. Conan might need to stop him from loving Kogorou to DEATH.
6) He is the prefect character for a red herring. Note when and how he is introduced. He way too obvious for a good story ( for a bad one he might be great ).

    IMO a good author of mysteries does not just put the killer for all to see with arrows pointing to him with the word killer on them, though he might do that with a fake / red herring. The good writer hide his clues better then that. Another example, you are in a pyramid. Do you take the wide and very open path ahead of you or do you look for the hidden door and a very narrow and twisted path?  In that example going down that wide path is almost a sure trap and death waiting. In a mystery story as well, I think it is best to search for the hidden clues that might takes several rereading to find, then to jump into an almost certain trap of the writer just giving you what you want and are looking for.

you know... I'd think that he is not that stupid to fall into trap of thinking Mouri is great detective... and the intro Gisho had set up for this charecter is leaning toward of him becoming reguler charecter like Sera's introduction...

plus way you talk you think Gisho is trolling us and the cake is a lie...
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It funny ever though it not out yet, I remember seeing the file and reading the translation. ( here must have been a dream)

Any way spoiler for the current case; Do not click unless you want to be spoiled

http://forum.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=599471#p599471

Anyway if you dare the last lines Conan says this:
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Amuro works part time at Poirot, and asks to be made Mouri's apprentice.

Amuro: (whispers in Mouri's ear) - "As tuition fees, I was thinking of paying about................per case...."
Mouri: "Are you serious?! Indeed! In which case, young Amuro, call me, "Master Mouri"!"
Amuro: "Yes, sir, Master Mouri!"
Conan: "And here's another troublesome one..."
That suggest to me he is clueless. I believe that Gosho would have done that part differetly if this detective was only play acting being clueless which means
this comment in this case would be incorrect
I'd think that he is not that stupid to fall into trap of thinking Mouri is great detective
as he already has, unless Gosho is playing with us and out and out lying to us. I think Conan comment
as said strongly suggest cluelessness and Bourbon should not be clueless.
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he was not cluless during this case... sure he was slower then Kudo but he was right on track in investigation ( after all he guessed corectly that Haruoka is a detective...)  and that responce... just dropps his intell level to Kogoro level... As I don't believe that a person can become more stupid in that short time I'd say he is faking it.
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@sstimson

All will probably think Amuro is suspicious, but then will remember Okiya and Sera. He 's that obvious, but at the same time, NOT THAT OBVIOUS.

Also, you read Chekhov's theories, right? THAT'S why you see it coming. Just saying.

About Mouri/Amuro: Amuro was smart enough to do a few good deductions throughout the case that Mouri wouldn't do. That proves he's smarter. There's another reason he wants to be Mouri's apprentice. And we, people that don't want to create useless topics for discussion...all agree on that. We figured all out with this thing by the way: Logic.
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