Detective Boys vs. Kaito Kid (712-715?) Vote for Kid's disgu

[Oruncrest]

In my opinion, this is a two-mystery story: Where's the Kirin's Horn? And who zapped Conan?

For the first mystery, I don't think that the horn's been moved. I think that the pillar has a false bottom (or false top) and that if you open it without the keys, you'll see whatever's in the second compartment. I think that the Kirin's Horn is still on it's statue, hidden within the pillar, and everybody's looking at a fake Kirin statue. Who could have a fake statue made? Good question... 

As for the second mystery, Ther's only one person in that room who'd see Conan as a threat instead of an annoyance (Nakamori), a challenge (KID), a friend (The DBs), or a facinating character in the chase after KID (the film crew). I think we all know who that would be...

Finally, the postscript on the notice (supposedly from KID) says "We're done with the child's play. We shall do battle as adults." The guy who's developed a reutation for treating the police as children sends a note saying that. Riiiiigghhttt... This isn't a challenge from Kaito Kid, it's a challenge to Kaito Kid!

I don't know what wild hair's gotten up Jiroki's behind this time, but it's clear (to me at least) that he's behind this whole mess; sending a challenge letter to himself, Rigging the Kirin's horn to set up a fake mystery (so he can 'solve' it of course), zapping Conan so he can't solve it before Jiroki can figure out who KID's disguising himself as. I can't prove any of this, of course, but he's the only one with the method (Cash), motive (Vainglory), and opportunity (a month's preparation, apparently before he even got the 'challenge').

As for who KID's disguising himself as, I'll say that i's Nakamori-Keibu. I's not that I don't like the idea of it being Haibara's hat, but this way, when she solves the case, Jiroki will feel like even more of a fool.

[bluekaitou1412]

In my opinion, this is a two-mystery story: Where's the Kirin's Horn? And who zapped Conan?

For the first mystery, I don't think that the horn's been moved. I think that the pillar has a false bottom (or false top) and that if you open it without the keys, you'll see whatever's in the second compartment. I think that the Kirin's Horn is still on it's statue, hidden within the pillar, and everybody's looking at a fake Kirin statue. Who could have a fake statue made? Good question... 

As for the second mystery, Ther's only one person in that room who'd see Conan as a threat instead of an annoyance (Nakamori), a challenge (KID), a friend (The DBs), or a facinating character in the chase after KID (the film crew). I think we all know who that would be...

Finally, the postscript on the notice (supposedly from KID) says "We're done with the child's play. We shall do battle as adults." The guy who's developed a reutation for treating the police as children sends a note saying that. Riiiiigghhttt... This isn't a challenge from Kaito Kid, it's a challenge to Kaito Kid!

I don't know what wild hair's gotten up Jiroki's behind this time, but it's clear (to me at least) that he's behind this whole mess; sending a challenge letter to himself, Rigging the Kirin's horn to set up a fake mystery (so he can 'solve' it of course), zapping Conan so he can't solve it before Jiroki can figure out who KID's disguising himself as. I can't prove any of this, of course, but he's the only one with the method (Cash), motive (Vainglory), and opportunity (a month's preparation, apparently before he even got the 'challenge').

As for who KID's disguising himself as, I'll say that i's Nakamori-Keibu. I's not that I don't like the idea of it being Haibara's hat, but this way, when she solves the case, Jiroki will feel like even more of a fool.

Hmm... plausible... I kinda like your theory...

Much better if Jirokichi=Vermouth! LOL that would pave way to a BO case.

[Oruncrest]

Hmm... plausible... I kinda like your theory...

Much better if Jirokichi=Vermouth! LOL that would pave way to a BO case.

Nah. I don't thik Vermy'll go after Haibara while Conan's still protecting her.

But if that Film crew can get it's act together before Haibara solves the case, we might have a BO arc coming soon anyway...

[Abs.]

CRACKPOT THEORY TIME:

Jirokichi is both the BO AND the other organization with Snake in it Boss.

That's why he lured Haibara & Kaitou Kid to the temple.

And knocked out Conan.

And he'll use Kirin's Horn to try to stab them both in their hearts.

Nakamori will take the blow for Kid.

Haibara actually gets stabbed, but the DB protect her.

Conan wakes up and misses with the tranquilizer.

Gin bursts in, and...

[feel free to continue]

[bluekaitou1412]

CRACKPOT THEORY TIME:

Jirokichi is both the BO AND the other organization with Snake in it Boss.

That's why he lured Haibara & Kaitou Kid to the temple.

And knocked out Conan.

And he'll use Kirin's Horn to try to stab them both in their hearts.

Nakamori will take the blow for Kid.

Haibara actually gets stabbed, but the DB protect her.

Conan wakes up and misses with the tranquilizer.

Gin bursts in, and...

[feel free to continue]

shoots everyone.

The DB are killed.

Nakamori freaked out, ran outside, tripped, and died.

Conan finally admitted "STOP! I ADMIT! I'M GAY! I'M GAY! PLEASE DON'T KILL ME!" after seeing what happened.

Gin shoots himself after hearing that.

Haibara laughs maniacally.

Haibara shoots KID.

KID died.

Haibara is actually the BOSS.

Haibara calls Vermouth to clean up the mess.

Vermouth killed Jirokichi.

Haibara and Vermouth are lovers.

_{Come on Ai fans! I'm ready to die! Kill me! Watashi wa... seigi da!}

[Kor]

CRACKPOT THEORY TIME:

Jirokichi is both the BO AND the other organization with Snake in it Boss.

That's why he lured Haibara & Kaitou Kid to the temple.

And knocked out Conan.

And he'll use Kirin's Horn to try to stab them both in their hearts.

Nakamori will take the blow for Kid.

Haibara actually gets stabbed, but the DB protect her.

Conan wakes up and misses with the tranquilizer.

Gin bursts in, and...

[feel free to continue]

shoots everyone.

The DB are killed.

Nakamori freaked out, ran outside, tripped, and died.

Conan finally admitted "STOP! I ADMIT! I'M GAY! I'M GAY! PLEASE DON'T KILL ME!" after seeing what happened.

Gin shoots himself after hearing that.

Haibara laughs maniacally.

Haibara shoots KID.

KID died.

Haibara is actually the BOSS.

Haibara calls Vermouth to clean up the mess.

Vermouth killed Jirokichi.

Haibara and Vermouth are lovers.

_{Come on Ai fans! I'm ready to die! Kill me! Watashi wa... seigi da!}

I didn't read that fanfic you linked to in the Ai + Conan thread, but after reading this post, I'm not sure I ever will 

[Schillok]

I also have a feeling I am missing something important. Ran and Sonoko said there was a strange sound. I wonder what that could be.

It's odd though that no one at the scene (and there were enough youngsters there) mentioned anything about hearing such a sound.

Well, I have a new theory... [Seems like my guess that Kid is not disguised was thwarted by Jirokichis preparations]

At least for who the stunner is.
A microphone is just like a reverse loudspeaker. Loudspeakers emit a very unconfortable sound when subjected to strong electromagnetic fields... for example the electric field generated by a taser. But since it wasn't a loudspeaker (the sounds recorded by the microphone are only sent to the TV station, not heard by the TV crew) noone of the people at the temple could hear that sound that Sonoko and Ran heard.
My new guess is that the stunner was the sound guy. Even if it must have been quite hard for him to move around without being noticed by the rest of the crew.


The qustion is: Is the stunner also Kid?

[Kor]

At least for who the stunner is.
A microphone is just like a reverse loudspeaker. Loudspeakers emit a very unconfortable sound when subjected to strong electromagnetic fields... for example the electric field generated by a taser. But since it wasn't a loudspeaker (the sounds recorded by the microphone are only sent to the TV station, not heard by the TV crew) noone of the people at the temple could hear that sound that Sonoko and Ran heard.
My new guess is that the stunner was the sound guy. Even if it must have been quite hard for him to move around without being noticed by the rest of the crew.
[/quote]

That's what I was trying to say in my earlier post. I don't think it was caused by the taser though. It's enough to only make a wrong move with the mic for making an unconfortable sound. for example if it was dropped on the ground.
If the sound was from the taser it doesn't make the soundman a suspect since the mic could probably catch that sound anyway.

[mangaluva]

I'm heavily inclined to believe that the stunner and Kid are seperate parties, which also makes me inclined to believe that there's a third party involved.
Also, I had a thought. What if the flourescent paint in the keyholes isn't from the keys? I was just thinking that if the DB were standing directly in front of the keyholes and they had their hoods up, if somebody had put something on the hoods... I'm not sure why they put them up, but if they did it because of the rain, that would explain why the window was blown out. Then they put their hoods up, and the paint on the back got into the keyholes. That might also have been what helped the stunner locate Conan. The paint would make Nakamori-keibu THINK that the keys were used, to prevent him discovering the other means of opening the pillar, and thus possibly where the Kirin's Horn is hidden...

That's my two cents.

[bluekaitou1412]

I didn't read that fanfic you linked to in the Ai + Conan thread, but after reading this post, I'm not sure I ever will 

That's actually a one-shot story of what I wanted to happen.

Make no mistake, that fic is a serious one.

[caribou]

A microphone is just like a reverse loudspeaker. Loudspeakers emit a very unconfortable sound when subjected to strong electromagnetic fields... for example the electric field generated by a taser. But since it wasn't a loudspeaker (the sounds recorded by the microphone are only sent to the TV station, not heard by the TV crew) noone of the people at the temple could hear that sound that Sonoko and Ran heard.
My new guess is that the stunner was the sound guy. Even if it must have been quite hard for him to move around without being noticed by the rest of the crew.

maybe the change was referring to a magnet...? :S i have very limited physics knowledge here, but i know that where there's an electric current, there will be an electromagnetic field. maybe Conan did get shocked by the electric current in the pillar rather than the taser, and 'go with the flow' = go with the electric current? (as some have suggested) and if someone keeps holding on to the pillar, the current flows through the body instead of through all the pillars, so the mild magnetic field is gone and this somehow triggers the main pillar to open? (but why would someone subject themselves to the risk of serious electric shock. it has to be an easier and cleverer way...)

[Abs.]

That's the part where I keep getting stuck, too.  Kichiemon + electricity?  The two just don't go together.

The weak electrical charge running through the pedestals was Jirokichi's doing, btw, and not part of Kichiemon's device.

[Schillok]

That's the part where I keep getting stuck, too.  Kichiemon + electricity?  The two just don't go together.

The weak electrical charge running through the pedestals was Jirokichi's doing, btw, and not part of Kichiemon's device.

Yeah, I also don't think that electricty is the solution of the riddle. Kichiemons inventions are all purely mechanic and unless he planed to use the power of a lightning for one of his devices there were no sources of electricity at his time.

Another question is why the paint is INSIDE the keyholes. That wouldn't help you to find them much since you have to have your eyes at the same level as the keyholes - a crouched possition. Only the Detective Boys, Haibara and her hat are small enough. And if the DB had the paint on their hoods it would be ON the keyholes, but not inside. Mhh...

Maybe the pedestals can also be activated when a certain weight - let's say the weight of the corresponding statue of turtle, tiger, dragon and phoenix - are put on them. However that one minute seems too short again and I don't remember anyone having 4 items of aproximate weight on them... And the riddle dioesn't seem to talk about a weight either.

[Eve]

i don't think anyone would solve it before Ai this time  8)

[Conan 48:69]

Spoiler:

R.I.P
In Memory Of
Conan Edogawa

1994-2009

Detective Conan fans will never forget you.
Stop Kaito Kid!

Note: 1994 is the release year of detective conan manga file 001, the first appearance of Conan.

Just a joke, don't take it too serious.