Detective Boys vs. Kaito Kid (712-715?) Vote for Kid's disgu

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Thanks for the translation Abs.!

Jirokichi did a very, very good job of wiring a trap together and psychologically manipulating everyone, but not in a way that suggests to me he is Kid. I am definitely leaning towards Nakamori being Kid. 1) He jumps to conclusions right away and states first thing for everyone to pursue Kid which suggests to me that he wants get of the room. He asks Jirokichi to open the doors later again. 2) Nakamori also seems to know Conan was attacked by Kid before Haibara found the stun gun. (see later) 3) When Jirokichi tells Nakamori to pinch everyone's faces, Nakamori changes the subject to how Kid made off with the horn. Even Jirokichi is surprised by the subject change. Nakamori normally has to be held back from ripping everyone's noses off when he hears that Kid is nearby. 4) Nakamori also uncovers the flourescent paint which I think is a red herring. (see below) 5) Nakamori also starts to object to the DB searching everyone including him.

I'm also doubtful about the fluorescent paint. I think it is a red herring as it would take a minute or two at the least to adjust one's eyes to the dark to see it unless it was strong paint which would be risky as someone might see it when the lights are out. (like the DB) Nakamori had the keys in his hands at one point and would probably have access the the keyholes because the guards would let him. Regarding the cards around the keyholes, one card is a lot closer to the keyhole than the others. I am not sure why yet, but perhaps because they were stuck on last minute, or one is covering something? Perhaps the real purpose of the paint was to let Kid know where to stick the cards after successfully getting the horn when his eyes would be better adjusted to the dark. Kaito didn't need to have access to the room earlier as the traps in the windows and the one on the circuit breaker were outside the room.

The kids searched everyone's bodies by the sound of it, but it looks like they didn't pinch faces as Haibara still thinks there is a possibility Jirokichi is Kid. I am also beginning to have doubts about Kid not using the taser. There doesn't seem to be a reason for a third party to be involved in this crime. I suppose it is also possible Conan shocked himself on something like the main pole and Kaito didn't mean for Conan to become collateral damage.

How did Nakamori know that Conan was hurt by Kid? For all Nakamori would know Conan tripped in the darkness. Haibara hadn't produced the stun gun yet. Also if it was Nakamori, he should be ranting about that " ;&^%$# injuring children and how he is going to lock Kid the @#%& up..."

The last thing for now is that Haibara strongly hinted at a wordplay. Red sparrow and Suzaku use the same kanji but have different pronunciations. I noted in an earlier post that the verb "移ろう 【うつろう】 to change; to fade" sounds a lot like "虚ろ; 空ろ【うつろ】 blank; cavity; hollow; empty (space)". Note that in Kichiemon's writing the "う" at the end of "移ろう" isn't there so it means the sound should match up. The taser could have been used for the trick if the contraption required electricity as in Abs.'s translation which uses "current".

I am not optimistic about solving the mystery this week. Wordplays are NOT my forte in the slightest.

I also have a feeling I am missing something important. Ran and Sonoko said there was a strange sound. I wonder what that could be. Perhaps Kid does have an accomplice dressed as one of the three suspects.

Question. Has Nakamori ever met Haibara in the manga? I know Kid had in Kichemon's crazy mansion case but has Nakamori? How would he know Haibara apart from Ayumi?

Edit: I forgot about the blue vs green issue from last week. Perhaps it relates to the wordplay?

[Abs.]

I also have a feeling I am missing something important. Ran and Sonoko said there was a strange sound. I wonder what that could be.

I'm betting it's that sound that the youngsters can hear but it's of the frequency that older folks have lost the ability to hear... like those cell phone ringtones that were all the rage a while back because teachers couldn't hear them, or the "shoo the youngsters away" annoying frequency that discouraged youth to loiter around certain places.

It's odd though that no one at the scene (and there were enough youngsters there) mentioned anything about hearing such a sound.

Jirokichi did mention something about a shrill alarm that should have sounded had anyone forced the doors open.

I noted in an earlier post that the verb "移ã‚

[Misztina]

Would it be weird if Conan held Kirin's horn in his hand?

As for the othre things... I' m still clueless. 

[Conan 48:69]

This case's title is really based on Four Symbols, Azure Dragon of the East (é

[baka1412]

Well, it is Chinese mythology, you might more familiar with these name =
Seiryu of the east, Suzaku of the South, Byakko of the west, and Genbu of the north, with Kirin on the middle..


And i agree, Conan should've awoken before the end of the case..
Although the possibilities of Ai taking all the scene on this chapter really tempted me, but i don't think Ai would wanted to have her face all over the newspaper and TV..

[Abs.]

In File 713, why everybody lets Conan lays down in the middle like a corpse, why not at least carried him away to somewhere like in a car.

I assume you have not yet read the provided quick translation.

Hint: It's in this thread.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Question. Has Nakamori ever met Haibara in the manga? I know Kid had in Kichemon's crazy mansion case but has Nakamori? How would he know Haibara apart from Ayumi?

Did Nakamori ever indicate that he does know Haibara apart from Ayumi? I mean besides the fact that Haibara doesn't use "Ayumi-tachi" when she means "we," and that the girl with the hat is the smarter one.

Nakamori hasn't suggested that he knew Ayumi and Haibara apart. I asked because it would be an easy slip up to make, one that might occur in the next chapter or two.

More wordplay:
"Azure dragon" 青竜 (せいりゅう or しょうりょう) sounds the same as "clear stream" (清流) and "rectification" or "commutation" (整流) [せいりゅう], and "small dose; small quantity; narrowmindedness" (小量; 少量), consideration; deliberation; discussion (商量 ) [しょうりょう], or "rainfall" 雨量 (うりょう)

"Vermilion bird" 朱雀 (すざく or しゅじゃく) sounds sort of similar to "main shaft" 主軸 [しゅじく],

"White tiger" 白虎 (びゃっこ or はっこ) sounds the same as "albino fox" (白狐) [びゃっこ] and similar to a bunch of things like "faint light; pale light" 薄光 [はっこう], "luminescence" 発光 [はっこう] (like in luminescent paint)

"Black Tortoise" 玄武 (げんぶ) sounds similar to several things such as "the original" (原物) or actual article or goods (現物) [げんぶつ], "the text"
(原文) [げんぶん], "basalt" 玄武岩 [げんぶがん]

Maybe the meaning is something like "the real message is written in luminescent paint on the main column"? Perhaps some of the characters (or only parts of then) in the message on the column have luminescent paint on them and thus form a hidden message within a message describing how to open it? It's definitely a bit of a stretch to think this is the answer, but it would explain why Kid would need to knock Conan out ASAP before he could see the glow-in-the-dark letters... Trying to solve this kind of thing without being able to speak the language is guaranteed to come up with some false positives...

Abs., if you have the time and the patience can I ask a favor of you? Can you correct my typed out version of the message in hiragana? I based it on what you already said and what I looked up myself. I completely understand if you don't want to by the way.
正しき理に拠らず
麒麟を求めんと欲する者
移ろひに身を委ねるべし
三水吉右衛門

ただしきことわりによらず
きりんをもとめんとほっするしゃ
うつろひにみをゆだねるべし
さみずきちえもん

[Abs.]

There's only one error that I can see.

[quote]

Spoiler:

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[Chekhov MacGuffin]

There's only one error that I can see.

Spoiler:

正しき理に拠らず
麒麟を求めんと欲する者
移ろひに身を委ねるべし
三水吉右衛門

ただしきことわりによらず
きりんをもとめんとほっするもの
うつろひにみをゆだねるべし
さみずきちえもん

Sorry for not replying right away, but thank you very much!

Yet another silly idea: Maybe the central column is hollow because it is a giant flute. The wind from outside blows past a hole creating a sound which triggers the mechanism to open. That explains possible why Ran said she heard something.

[snuzzle]

[quote="Chekhov MacGuffin"]
More wordplay:

Spoiler:

"Azure dragon" é

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I think I'm on to something this time! I was thinking about why one of the pillars was green instead of blue and stumbled across Feng Shui. Feng Shui has four animals as well:
East: the Green Dragon (Spring equinox)—Niao (Bird), α Hydrae
South: the Red Phoenix (Summer solstice)—Huo (Fire), α Scorpionis
West: the White Tiger (Autumn equinox)—Xu (Emptiness, Void), α Aquarii, β Aquarii
North: the Dark Turtle (Winter solstice)—Mao (Hair), η Tauri (the Pleiades)

Better yet, Feng Shui means "wind-water" which conveniently happens to be present in the form of a storm.

[baka1412]

[quote="snuzzle"]
[quote="Chekhov MacGuffin"]
More wordplay:

Spoiler:

"Azure dragon" é

[Kor]

I also have a feeling I am missing something important. Ran and Sonoko said there was a strange sound. I wonder what that could be.

I'm betting it's that sound that the youngsters can hear but it's of the frequency that older folks have lost the ability to hear... like those cell phone ringtones that were all the rage a while back because teachers couldn't hear them, or the "shoo the youngsters away" annoying frequency that discouraged youth to loiter around certain places.

It's odd though that no one at the scene (and there were enough youngsters there) mentioned anything about hearing such a sound.

Kogoro was away from the TV and drunk.
When you raise the volume in an amplifier (when a mic is connected) it makes a loud disturbing sound. I don't know how it works when they are filming, but I don't think those in the room should be affected from such sound in case it happened.
In other words, the only reason such a sound would happen, is if the soundman screwed up somehow. now why would he screw up? It was probably intentional so he could either steal Kirin's horn/stun Conan/do both.
Let's assume Kid didn't stun Conan, so the sound man could be either Kid or the stunner.
That's my deduction which is probably wrong and I may have explained it in a very difficult way to understand and if it's not understandable then tell me and I'll try to explain it better.

[Abs.]

Kogoro was away from the TV and drunk.

Your theory is plausible.  However on this point, I do believe Kogorou not hearing it was a rather obvious hint vs. just a "Kogorou's drunk again" device.

Sorry for not replying right away, but thank you very much! 

You're welcome! 

[mangaluva]

It's something to do with the four Beast Gods- Suzaku, Seiryuu, Genbu and Byakko. They each have seven associated constellations, and each has dominion over a quarter of the year. There might be something about only one of the pedestals being necessary at each quarter... I wish I could remember how they related to the Kirin, but all I know of the legend I learned from Fushigi Yugi  Too much to hope that Nuriko will turn up and just bust the pillar open