Detective Conan Manga Files 787-789: (Another Kogorou)

[red.orchid]

But but ... The landlady really thinks a 21-year-old young man can have a teen daughter?  Unless she has no idea about Onda's age. Still, he doesn't look that old.

[Wakarimashita]

But but ... The landlady really thinks a 21-year-old young man can have a teen daughter?  :-\ Unless she has no idea about Onda's age. Still, he doesn't look that old.

She doesn't know he's 21. The people in the cases don't see the little boxes with the age, name and profession.

[kholoudsafir]

I know this is not the first time, but if the purpose of this file is Ran' suspicion, then we may can call it plot related 

[ryankun0903]

But but ... The landlady really thinks a 21-year-old young man can have a teen daughter?  :-\ Unless she has no idea about Onda's age. Still, he doesn't look that old.

She doesn't know he's 21. The people in the cases don't see the little boxes with the age, name and profession.

lol @ this..

[ten]

Spoiler:

With the key resting on top of the blood with no blood on it, it is likely that the key was dropped onto the scene after the murder.

That came to my mind as well, but somehow from Conan I expect a more elegant solution, usually involving lots of string

EDIT:
Also, something I forgot to mention, as for a possible motive for the murder, the only thing I can guess so far is ....

Spoiler:

... related to the ownership of the apartment building, since the landlady said herself she will probably have to sell it.  The murderer killed an annoying neighbor to drive down costs so they could buy it cheap.

[Mareliini]

Do I see a suspicion arc coming? *headdesk* Why? Everyone already knows nothing serious will happen.

As usual, I don't even try to solve the case. (Thought the knife's position is strange.)

I'll go with Detective Ran solving the case. We haven't seen her - what - after that skiing lodge murder in vol. 15.

[sonoci]

There was that one at the convenience store with her friend

[GinRei]

If it's in the manga, it's not filler.

No, if it's in the manga it's canon.  It can very easily be filler and still be in the manga, assuming one classifies filler as anything not related to one of the main romance, character development, or Black Org plots.

[Wakarimashita]

If it's in the manga, it's not filler.

No, if it's in the manga it's canon.  It can very easily be filler and still be in the manga, assuming one classifies filler as anything not related to one of the main romance, character development, or Black Org plots.

The problem is that you therefore don't have an objective way to say what is filler and what isn't (since what one classifies as filler depends of his or her opinions). In the anime, there's an obvious distinction, but who decides what is 'filler' and what isn't in the manga (assuming there is filler in the manga) ? Besides, the nature of filler is obviously to fill out gaps, but who says that these cases are made to fill out any gaps in the first place ? Going that way, I might as well say that for me BO cases are fillers that usually don't bring any progress and are there to gain time in the middle of the every-day cases which compose the huge majority of the manga. You can say that the cases are not plot-related, that they don't bring any progress, that they only exist individually etc... but not that they're only there to fill gaps.  

[Jd-]

The problem is that you therefore don't have an objective way to say what is filler and what isn't (since what one classifies as filler depends of his or her opinions). In the anime, there's an obvious distinction, but who decides what is 'filler' and what isn't in the manga (assuming there is filler in the manga) ? Besides, the nature of filler is obviously to fill out gaps, but who says that these cases are made to fill out any gaps in the first place ? Going that way, I might as well say that for me BO cases are fillers that usually don't bring any progress and are there to gain time in the middle of the every-day cases which compose the huge majority of the manga. You can say that the cases are not plot-related, that they don't bring any progress, that they only exist individually etc... but not that they're only there to fill gaps.  

The problem there is that you're using the word "filler" to always be considered "bad". There's no denying that virtually every mystery series does contain filler content all over the place--but, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. "Filler" is considered the installments in a series (whether they be TV series or mangas or what have you) that could easily be taken out and have no bearing on actual, ongoing story arcs and, to a lesser extent, contain no "callback" character development. As far as I'm concerned, there's no real question what is and isn't filler in Conan. It's actually really easy to distinguish, to be honest.

Again: Fillers aren't necessarily bad. Conan has filler--in the manga, too. They fill the space between major advances in the plot. That's how it works. With your reasoning, there can be no fillers in series like Criminal Minds or Monk. I think everyone--including diehard fans of both--are apt to admit that there is filler like no tomorrow in both. That is simply the nature of mystery series. It's certainly not unique to the mystery genre, but it is an inherent trait of most mystery series. Conan's no exception, and that's not a bad thing.

A great deal of Conan is filler (most of it, in fact) with respect to the story, which is what filler refers to. If you want an objective means of looking at it, filler can be any case that can be removed at absolutely no consequence to any other case. We're talking those where no new characters that will later return are introduced and those where there is no advancement in the continuing series, whether they be all-inclusive ones (the Black Organization) or those that are more character-centric. There are plenty more distinctions that I could make here, but I think you get the picture.

But, to note one more time: Filler isn't necessarily a "bad" word. It's just a means of describing that which fills the spaces between cases of consequence and those that could be removed and would have absolutely no effect on any other story or plot in any form whatsoever. There are plenty of cases with very minor development that are not fillers. Now, that said, there are a lot of cases where absolutely nothing of lasting merit occurs whatsoever. If there's any question as to whether it does have bearing in the vein that I've described in the rest of this post, it should--at the very least--not be considered that type of filler.

For the final and most important point, I will address your statement here specifically:

You can say that the cases are not plot-related, that they don't bring any progress, that they only exist individually etc... but not that they're only there to fill gaps.  

Right, no one has to say that that is their reason to exist. What they can say is the fact that they do serve as fillers between the main plot points, and that is the exact definition of a filler. So while no one can say with certainty that they exist solely to spread out the plot cases, they can safely say that that is what they do because that is exactly what they do.

[Wakarimashita]

@I'd agree with you if 'filler' was indeed used as a neutral term, however, let's face it, fillers are usually if not always badly regarded in the anime and manga fandom. Honestly, have you ever seen an anime/manga fan rejoice about having filler material ? Most of the time, the reasoning is filler = bad OOC crap used to fill out the gaps. And if you look at the way it is used in most of the thread, there is almost systematically a negative connotation : 'stop it with the filler cases Gosho' 'oh great, more filler cases' 'filler hell' etc...
Besides, having so-called fillers to fill gaps can only work to a certain extent. When material that people consider as filler represents 80-90% of a series, it cannot be considered filler because it has become the series. In my mind, filler can only be considered filler when it represents less than 50% of a series.

[mangaluva]

Gah, another plotless chapter! *headdesk* I'm gonna say aliens did it. I used to care enough to really try to reason it out. My caring is fast waning with every plotless chapter.

[Kei.Akai]

"Another"? Sera was here for 4 cases in a row...

[Wakarimashita]

"Another"? Sera was here for 4 cases in a row...

Thank you !

[Kei.Akai]

You're welcome!
About the case, I think Ishigame is the culprit. I don't know why.