I think Ai X Mitsuhiko is cute

[Schillok]

Then again, but the time she finds the antidote to decide to become Shiho there won't be any organization. After the BO is taken down, will she decide to start a new life? Or keep with her established life as a kid? Either way, she won't be in fear of the BO ever again....she might even end up like Jodie and Satou fighting crime as Shiho to end injustice because she remembers how it was in her family......
but hey, anything is open for the imagination, ne?

I don't think Haibara is meant for a career fighting crime. It's just not how she is (see during the 12Million Hostages Case (last pannel 1st picture and 1st pannel second picture):

Spoiler:

She is not the type to risk her live for the sake of strangers, things that Jodi and Satô would do if they had to. Her sense for juistice is not that strong, usually she is the one who suggest not to inferfere with a crime or tries to stop Conan from aproaching the BO.

[Which is also the main reason why I think she and Conan wouldn't make a good pairing. Ran much more accepts and understands Shinichis desire to solve crimes and help others. Ran often helps strangers too.

Spoiler:

Ayumi is even better than Ran, she is trying to help others AND solve crimes together. But that is just me again... 

Conan/Shinichi won't change his ideals just to please Haibara. And Haibara won't change hers either.
No... Haibaras future won't be as a cop, private eye or FBI agent.

[Abs.]

No... Haibaras future won't be as a cop, private eye or FBI agent.

That's ok, she can help Akemi, who is not dead and is actually the BO boss.

...I think someone put something funny in my sake this morning.

[TheBlind]

No idea what you wanted to say with the Shinichi example... but despite being smarter and more mature than Ran and Sonoko he always stayed in the same grade as them, right? And he seems to have liked it.

Actually you did...as you just said it. Shinichi lived his childhood(same as Ran & Sonoko's) but was on a different level/"environment" that Ran and Sonoko. Shinichi=Haibara, Ran=Mitsuhiko. As Ran stayed with her father and matured quickly in being the domestic power in the house hold. Ran is extremely mature for her age as she is now taking care of an entire family by herself while trying to put her original family back together but Shinichi still out shines her. So you already have a precedent showing you that even if Haibara stays Haibara, that does not equal "her slowing down" for Mitsuhiko to catch up.

Besides, I think reason Mitsuhiko likes Haibara is because he isn't mature enough to see that he doesn't have much in common with her. Like any child, he only sees the basic qualities of cool,pretty, and smart without fully knowing what it means to be in a relationship. This is why Haibara treats his affection like a simple crush, same as Conan with Ayumi. After Mitsuhiko matures he'll probably realize that Haibara isn't even his type. He seems more like the type that likes taking and having all the responsibility to help those around him but with Haibara he would always be playing 2nd string unless Ai lets him take over.

But in magical land(like ALL the pairings) yeah, it's nice.

BTW, in japanese school sytem there is no "failing a grade". Only going to different school or moving away would separate them. And Mitsuhiko seems smart and hard-working enough to be accepted in the school he wants (Even more with both of his parents being teachers)

So what happens if you decided not to do any work in school and both your parents aren't responsible to make you?
In case the next answer is the teachers will help.
What if you shun their help, you just don't want to do it(not uncommon), do they just give up and expel you to save the school or just keep passing you and ignoring you until you graduate or drop out?

[Schillok]

o what happens if you decided not to do any work in school and both your parents aren't responsible to make you?
[...] do they just give up and expel you to save the school or just keep passing you and ignoring you until you graduate or drop out?

Yes, this is exactly what would happen.
Recent studies have shown that repeating a class gives little advantage, your grades will get better the year you are repeating but in the next year, when you learn new stuff they will drop again. As a consequence of repeating you got removed from your old class (and friends) and you will finish school one year later.
However, in japanese school system, if you have bad marks you will likely fail the entrance test of the "good"/"renowed" higher schools (primary school -> middle school -> high school -> university). You won't get expelled from school unless you severly broke the school rules - and then you would probably enter another school untill you graduate.

I still don't know what you mean with your Ran and Shinichi example. Ran is more mature, Shinichi more inteligent. Both like (or even love) each other. And how can this be applyed to Haibara?

And I still think that Ai and Mitsuhiko have a lot in common, that they are compatible (Ai is his type). Sure, Ai would be dominating their relationship. But Mitsuhiko often stays more in the background anyway and only takes over if he feels he has to do so.

[TheBlind]

I still don't know what you mean with your Ran and Shinichi example.

Do you seriously not get it or are you just trying to be funny?
I don't think I can explain it any better or make it any more simpler. Maybe someone can catch what I'm missing and the reason you don't get it and help us out.

Ran is more mature, Shinichi more inteligent. Both like (or even love) each other. And how can this be applyed to Haibara?

No idea what you wanted to say with the Shinichi example... but despite being smarter and more mature than Ran and Sonoko he always stayed in the same grade as them, right? And he seems to have liked it.

As you can see by your own post it's up for debate. Shinichi does have his kid moments such as throwing a tantrum on a table after Japan lost without winning a match in the world cup but so does Ran. It's what makes them still seem like teenagers and funny.

It applies to Haibara because young Shinichi acts as a perfect example I believe. He had a head start over the children around him due to interacting with his father's environment and eventually broke out of the environment he was suppose to be in. Haibara, already living her childhood and being a genius through it the first time, has a great head start over the DB's so chances are she won't slow down but actually grow a bit faster. Shinichi also shows that having a great childhood does not equal "slowing down" in other aspects.

I think it would be more fair to say Mitsuhiko will be one of those late bloomers that will suprass Conan on every level by age 14 than to say Haibara or anyone will slow down for him. Give him more credit.

nd I still think that Ai and Mitsuhiko have a lot in common, that they are compatible (Ai is his type). Sure, Ai would be dominating their relationship. But Mitsuhiko often stays more in the background anyway and only takes over if he feels he has to do so.

I...I can't say "no" to this but can you really say "yes" to it? Mitsuhiko is a young kid, they don't have types. . Also, I don't see any unique traits that Mitsuhiko and Haibara have in common but a pairing doesn't have to make sense, for example SonokoxKazuha. The only sense that needs in my book is the mystery and drama surrounding it.

BTW, in japanese school sytem there is no "failing a grade". Only going to different school or moving away would separate them. And Mitsuhiko seems smart and hard-working enough to be accepted in the school he wants (Even more with both of his parents being teachers)

Yes, this is exactly what would happen.
Recent studies have shown that repeating a class gives little advantage, your grades will get better the year you are repeating but in the next year, when you learn new stuff they will drop again. As a consequence of repeating you got removed from your old class (and friends) and you will finish school one year later.

This doesn't seem like a very good school system but it's probably still superior to the majority of the American School system.

[Schillok]

You are right, I contradicted myself who is more mature. 
Well, Ran is more mature in a sense concerning how serious, realistic and sensible she is. And Shinichi in terms of how independendent, resourceful and focused he can be.
Both have their childish sides, wheather it is ghosts and myths for Ran or how playful Shinichi can become when solving a case.
But... what were we discussing again?
Ohh... yeah... how mature Ai and Mitsuhiko are and if their mind will become close enough in a few years or if Ai will stay too far ahead of him.
As you said, Ai has a head start of them and will always stay ahead of them since she had one childhood (how good or bad that one might have been). Well, the good thing is that her mature mind will also influence the Detective Boys kids so they might progress a bit faster too. And as I said, reliving your childhood again is not the same as living the live of a person in her 20s.
I believe in Mitsuhiko, I think he will catch up close enough with her that they will understand each other. That is, if he is given the chance. 

It's a cute pairing and it would mean that Ai got finally over her past. All they need is time... and some turn of events in their favour. 

[soratothamax]

You are right, I contradicted myself who is more mature. 
Well, Ran is more mature in a sense concerning how serious, realistic and sensible she is. And Shinichi in terms of how independendent, resourceful and focused he can be.
Both have their childish sides, wheather it is ghosts and myths for Ran or how playful Shinichi can become when solving a case.
But... what were we discussing again?
Ohh... yeah... how mature Ai and Mitsuhiko are and if their mind will become close enough in a few years or if Ai will stay too far ahead of him.
As you said, Ai has a head start of them and will always stay ahead of them since she had one childhood (how good or bad that one might have been). Well, the good thing is that her mature mind will also influence the Detective Boys kids so they might progress a bit faster too. And as I said, reliving your childhood again is not the same as living the live of a person in her 20s.
I believe in Mitsuhiko, I think he will catch up close enough with her that they will understand each other. That is, if he is given the chance. 

It's a cute pairing and it would mean that Ai got finally over her past. All they need is time... and some turn of events in their favour. 

Ran isn't even more realistic. Her view on most things are very unrealistic. Sometimes, people are stuck with responsibilities, and think immaturely about them. She is domestic, I'll give her that, and has the skills to know how to be a housewife. If you're saying she takes relationships seriously, I can see that, do to her parents' relationship, but she thinks unrealistically about Shinichi's feelings and actions toward her.

Living on his own, Shinichi takes care of himself and probably has the same chores Ran has. He has to cook, clean that LARGE house on his own, and is responsible for getting himself around and to school. He just hasn't experienced the same traumatic experience Ran has, but do you need traumatic experiences to be mature? Ai and Ran's life has been traumatic, causing some emotional instability......Shinichi doesn't understand that....which in some cases, Shinichi isn't good for either......The only thing he's ever been through was the BO mess......anyone in favor of the AixRan pairing? I don't think Shinichi is as strong as Ai or Ran or understanding, but Shinichi is a little more mature than Ran. I think Ai is more mature than Shinichi, not only has she been through a traumatic experience, is an intellectual, but she's also a year older And she takes her courses wisely. She is by far more mature. Shinichi just runs into daring situations blindly and daringly, which is very immature.....

Ai and Mitsu would only work out if Haibara totally lets go of herself. But that would only be on the outside anyway, without expressing her sarcastic opinions. She would still be living a lie. She knows she will be a child for selfish reasons: so she can relive her childhood. Why is that selfish? Because no one else can reverse time and do it over. I'm sure if all those criminals had the choice, they would reverse time and start over again too, but the thing is, experiences we have effect us, no matter how young we try to make ourselves, or how far back in time we try to travel. That is why it'd be best for her to face the truth of herself: she is not a child. She is not Haibara. She is Shiho Miyano. Lying to herself, and trying to forget all that has happened is unfair too, and not good for constructing her life after the BO fiasco. Her experience had a reason behind it, and overcoming that is whats made her stronger and more mature.

Right now she has had the chance to be a child again, but a child has to grow up eventually. I think she will have to face being Shiho eventually, whether she wants to or not. She can't reverse time, it'll follow her around wherever she goes. With this heavy weight on her shoulder, I don't think she will end up with Mitsuhiku, but someone twice her age, if she decides to stay young-looking.

[Soragirl6]

@Kor: If the devil you summoned only grants you 3 wishes you had been tricked. According to "Faust" you get as many wishes as you want in a certain time period or until the conditions in your contract are fullfilled. Which might be never if you are smart enough.
However, I suggest you try keeping your soul. 
Readers input is nice, but... Well, I only wrote some fanfiction and not novels like you do/did/intend to do. But often these readers suggestions were contradicting the intentions I had when I wrote these storys. I don't know how you feel... but I would rather alienate these readers (even if they are many) than writing about something I don't enjoy, don't believe in or didn't want to write about.

same thing for me. The writer is the one who came up with the ideas or plot. Even if the readers would want it to be different, it doesn't mean I should go in their direction. The one who is doing most of the work anyway in the end is the editor who needs to correct all of the writer's spelling mistakes and grammer mistakes the one who writes the story.
I sure hope though that there aren't any desperate freaks out there who would desperately want their ideas to somehow reach me (Though it's probably a fact since famous people like Rowling get hate mail...)

I like to write for enjoyment but, if you tryin' to make money you will not care about what you enjoy. Sure Goshyo came up with all the characters and plot from THE BEGINNING.....but seriously, if he didn't worry about fans he would have ended DC along time ago....but not only does he want to keep his fans interested he wants to keep the dough rolling....(Money keeps bread on the table). And any good businessman would want to please their readers when its making them money. Now, you and I have never had our works published, making billions of bucks....but who knows what you will do when you see the money coming in. If I was making money like that, I'd change the whole thing if it was going to make sales. Thats the way it works. Plus, there's a difference in writing one whole story like Harry Potter, and writing in volumes for one story. The manga's have a "to be continued..." sort of thing. That gives the writer plenty of time to look at consumer feedback and that will influence or inspire the next project that the writer "businessman" wants to put out.
In other words, for you and I it doesn't matter what people say. For a man like Goshyo who has been making bucks for DC....it probably does matter......I'm not trying to make Goshyo look like a money eating monster, but thats the way the cookie crumbles when you got mouths to feed and thats your only career at the time.  ;)

[Soragirl6]

You are right, I contradicted myself who is more mature. 
Well, Ran is more mature in a sense concerning how serious, realistic and sensible she is. And Shinichi in terms of how independendent, resourceful and focused he can be.
Both have their childish sides, wheather it is ghosts and myths for Ran or how playful Shinichi can become when solving a case.
But... what were we discussing again?
Ohh... yeah... how mature Ai and Mitsuhiko are and if their mind will become close enough in a few years or if Ai will stay too far ahead of him.
As you said, Ai has a head start of them and will always stay ahead of them since she had one childhood (how good or bad that one might have been). Well, the good thing is that her mature mind will also influence the Detective Boys kids so they might progress a bit faster too. And as I said, reliving your childhood again is not the same as living the live of a person in her 20s.
I believe in Mitsuhiko, I think he will catch up close enough with her that they will understand each other. That is, if he is given the chance. 

It's a cute pairing and it would mean that Ai got finally over her past. All they need is time... and some turn of events in their favour. 

Ran isn't even more realistic. Her view on most things are very unrealistic. Sometimes, people are stuck with responsibilities, and think immaturely about them. She is domestic, I'll give her that, and has the skills to know how to be a housewife. If you're saying she takes relationships seriously, I can see that, do to her parents' relationship, but she thinks unrealistically about Shinichi's feelings and actions toward her.

Living on his own, Shinichi takes care of himself and probably has the same chores Ran has. He has to cook, clean that LARGE house on his own, and is responsible for getting himself around and to school. He just hasn't experienced the same traumatic experience Ran has, but do you need traumatic experiences to be mature? Ai and Ran's life has been traumatic, causing some emotional instability......Shinichi doesn't understand that....which in some cases, Shinichi isn't good for either......The only thing he's ever been through was the BO mess......anyone in favor of the AixRan pairing? I don't think Shinichi is as strong as Ai or Ran or understanding, but Shinichi is a little more mature than Ran. I think Ai is more mature than Shinichi, not only has she been through a traumatic experience, is an intellectual, but she's also a year older And she takes her courses wisely. She is by far more mature. Shinichi just runs into daring situations blindly and daringly, which is very immature.....


Right now she has had the chance to be a child again, but a child has to grow up eventually. I think she will have to face being Shiho eventually, whether she wants to or not. She can't reverse time, it'll follow her around wherever she goes. With this heavy weight on her shoulder, I don't think she will end up with Mitsuhiku, but someone twice her age, if she decides to stay young-looking.

well, I do think traumatic experiences make you a more mature person than you WERE. Of course, Ran's parents getting divorce has nothing on being in the Bo like Ai or having the responsibility of solving a case that could mean everyone's life, but whatever.
Anyway, Shinchi views the world more PRACTICALLY then Ran and so does Ai. Ran is kinda stuck in glitz and glamour.
With Ran, Shinchi and Ai, they are the same age maturely and they view the world differently and react differently to their circumstances, yet still Ran is a little more naive. So I would say that the way Ran HANDLES her situations is not a mature way to handle them. The only thing she handles maturely is taking care of her dad....

To me Ai and Shinchi have more similar views about the big bad world, where as Ran is not in the realization of that. Yet, Ran has more maturity than most her age. Ran is.....just not practical.

I agree that Mitsu/Ai will never work out....Not only is he more mature for her own age, when she's older she'll be wayyyyy to mature for Mitsuhiku.

[Abs.]

Mitsu will probably end up with that Amemiya girl anyway.  Genta with Ayumi.  At least, that seems to follow if you only look at the Super Secret Road to school episode.  It's more obvious in the anime than the manga:

1- Ayumi telling Genta to stop playing around and clean up properly, twice.
2- Genta's knowing grin facial expression when Haibara and Conan are called back as they walk on ahead in the wrong direction.

Anyhow, we never see Mitsu and Shouko interact or anything, but since she's like Haibara and also about 3 years older, she'll do for our boy.  

[Schillok]

Ran isn't even more realistic. Her view on most things are very unrealistic. If you're saying she takes relationships seriously, I can see that, do to her parents' relationship, but she thinks unrealistically about Shinichi's feelings and actions toward her.

I disagree. Her view on most things is very realistic. And I don't know what gave you the impression that she had unrealistic ideas about Shinichis feelings and actions towards her. No matter how much you prefer another pairing: Shinichi x Ran is canon. At the moment both have special feelings for the other (If it is REALLY love is not entirely sure yet and the only hope for us who prefer other pairings. Time will tell... but chances are bad for us.)

She knows she will be a child for selfish reasons: so she can relive her childhood.

There is nothing wrong with being selfish. It's in the human nature.
And it is not like 5$ note we keep despite knowing the owner or the last piece of cake we eat before someone else does - Ais second childhood is not transferable. It was just a stroke of luck that she got that chance, so she shouldn't throw it away. Right now the world considers her to be a child. It is up to her to become a child if she wants to. Growing up again doesn't make her Shino again, to the world she will stay Ai Haibara.

[kkslider5552000]

Spoiler:

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[soratothamax]

Ran isn't even more realistic. Her view on most things are very unrealistic. If you're saying she takes relationships seriously, I can see that, do to her parents' relationship, but she thinks unrealistically about Shinichi's feelings and actions toward her.

I disagree. Her view on most things is very realistic. And I don't know what gave you the impression that she had unrealistic ideas about Shinichis feelings and actions towards her. No matter how much you prefer another pairing: Shinichi x Ran is canon. At the moment both have special feelings for the other (If it is REALLY love is not entirely sure yet and the only hope for us who prefer other pairings. Time will tell... but chances are bad for us.)

She knows she will be a child for selfish reasons: so she can relive her childhood.

There is nothing wrong with being selfish. It's in the human nature.
And it is not like 5$ note we keep despite knowing the owner or the last piece of cake we eat before someone else does - Ais second childhood is not transferable. It was just a stroke of luck that she got that chance, so she shouldn't throw it away. Right now the world considers her to be a child. It is up to her to become a child if she wants to. Growing up again doesn't make her Shino again, to the world she will stay Ai Haibara.

Even if the couple is canon, her views on Shinichi and his feelings are still unrealistic, as to me it appears she demands his full attention when he comes around, and that makes it appear she demands him to love her, and thinks that what he wants to tell her is he loves her. She also has fantasy dreams about getting married. None of this she is sure will happen, which is living in a fantasy world, and not realistic. Only most young teenage girls think like that, which is an unrealistic expectation of a young male in high school. So glad I'm older......Regardless of the pairing I feel Shinichi or Ran should have, Ran is still too unrealistic in what she thinks of Shinichi's feelings for her. Shinichi is not. He knows that love and marriage is more serious than fancy weddings and confessing feelings.....however, in some respects he's very territorial of her.......the canon couple is "realistic" of high school terms, but not long-lasting.....it's a good dream, lets just put it like that.

Actually, being selfish is not good. In fact, not good at all. For Ai, it would not be constructive. She can't run away from who she is. She can try, but it will backfire. She can't get rid of who she is. No matter how hard she tries. The world can think what they want, but she won't be able to run. Reminders will be everywhere of who she really is. She can't escape her true self. Just as she can't run from the BO. I think Goshyo's objective is trying to make this character grow from being selfish, careless, overly cautious, and a coward, to someone who faces their future with courage and responsibility. Ai is growing in that way. Ai with Mitsuhiku

[kkslider5552000]

Even if the couple is canon, her views on Shinichi and his feelings are still unrealistic, as to me it appears she demands his full attention when he comes around, and that makes it appear she demands him to love her, and thinks that what he wants to tell her is he loves her. She also has fantasy dreams about getting married. None of this she is sure will happen, which is living in a fantasy world, and not realistic. Only most young teenage girls think like that, which is an unrealistic expectation of a young male in high school. So glad I'm older......Regardless of the pairing I feel Shinichi or Ran should have, Ran is still too unrealistic in what she thinks of Shinichi's feelings for her. Shinichi is not. He knows that love and marriage is more serious than fancy weddings and confessing feelings.....however, in some respects he's very territorial of her.......the canon couple is "realistic" of high school terms, but not long-lasting.....it's a good dream, lets just put it like that.

Actually, being selfish is not good. In fact, not good at all. For Ai, it would not be constructive. She can't run away from who she is. She can try, but it will backfire. She can't get rid of who she is. No matter how hard she tries. The world can think what they want, but she won't be able to run. Reminders will be everywhere of who she really is. She can't escape her true self. Just as she can't run from the BO. I think Goshyo's objective is trying to make this character grow from being selfish, careless, overly cautious, and a coward, to someone who faces their future with courage and responsibility. Ai is growing in that way. Ai with Mitsuhiku

I approve of you debating without blatantly hating one character and being "I MUST MAKE TERRIBLE FANFICS ABOUT SHINICHI X OTHER CHARACTER" like I would expect. That's the stuff that REALLY annoys me.

And I was mostly agreeing with you until the last sentence. Ayumi has helped Ai as much as Mitsuhiko and Conan probably more. Maybe even Ayumi more since that thing about not running away was important in two plot related cases.

[IHKF]

Okay, so I heard that APPARENTLY there was once a MitsuhikoxHaibara thread that lasted no more than 10 pages and consisted of pairing arguments. Well...

I'M MAKING A NEW ONE! 

I don't know WHAT happened to the other one... I can't find it.
But I shall start this new one because THEY deserve love, too!
And no, no matter how much you AiCon fans beg, I will NOT close it. (I happen to remember an AiCon fan or two trying to get the AyuCon thread closed down... but that thread got DOUBLE wammied by the ShinRan fans, too! XD)

So... to start us off....

Favorite MitsuhikoxHaibara moments?
And why?