I'm still confused about lots of things

[battleforged]

Hi i'm new to this forum and it looks pretty awesome. I've got some questions i need to ask if that's fine with you guys.

Why are alot of the episodes missing from the anime ? The latest news that i've heard why this is so, was for the fact that those episodes which are missing aren't translated yet, right ? Well if this is so, then why have they been able to translate the others and those which are missing, they haven't been able to do so ? Or to make it in a better way, why haven't they translated them accordingly?(meaning they start from episode 1 upwards without skipping one or a few)

Can anyone help me to answer these questions please ?

[TromOuji]

Well, for various reasons, occurring over the course of multiple years, including access to raws, having several sometimes competing groups working at the same time, interest of the translators and/or other fansubbers, desire to get the overall plot-oriented cases done first, and the fact that there are 500+ damn episodes thank you.

Do you really feel you have standing to complain about this?

[Aluecard]

that so true trom 

[battleforged]

I know what u said is right m8 that one has to consider the time etc. What i meant was this. That when they were subbing the episodes from 1 upwards at that time they should have continued one after the other and not subbing up till 206 and they skipped 207, 209-237 etc. Understand now what i'm trying to say ? Well i did find a german torrent file, which i should think that even most of you did, which had from episodes 188-355 or something but in order to download it one had to register on a german site and if you're not german it doesnt allow you to do so.

[kyuubi654]

you know battleforged...you also have to think about all the things that can occur in a persons life. If the fan-sub group skipped episodes or stopped subbing that means they encountered some of those difficulties. It's just life, and sometimes it just sucks. I would have to say that we are lucky to even have these subbed episodes.

My utmost respect to all the groups that gave their best in order for fans to enjoy such good anime shows, especially DCTP. We all know it's a though job and we respect that.


P.S: I know about the german torrents of Conan,but it's kind of strange their not in japanese, although the voices are remarkably similar. Still i enjoy watching them because the first time i saw Conan, i saw it in german.
P.S.2: You don't have to be german to register on the site. I know that cause i'm not german

[battleforged]

What do you mean by "those difficulties" ?  I know it's hard for the group subbers to just translate those episodes, dont get me wrong. I dont even know what it consists of as i'm not a subber and dont know what they go through. Well you could just say that i'm just dying out here just like the rest of you guys to get those missing episodes as with pieces missing you're loosing quite alot of the story.

P.S) Well about that german dubbed torrent i dont know as it didnt allow me to register. ok i dont understand german so i didnt know what i was doing hehe XD Actually i wanted to know if that torrent was english subbed or not.

P.S) You seem to be a very interesting fellow to talk to so why dont you add me on msn and we could chat some more on the affair ?:) msn is : stevenstivala@hotmail.com

[TromOuji]

Lemme be more clear.  The members of DCTP would rather keep up with the new episodes and go back and sub various old episodes (plug holes, if you will) that they like.  That's our decision, we're doing the work, and we get to decide.  Simple enough.  Given enough time, possibly all the episodes will be subbed.

[kyuubi654]

german torrent of conan doesn't have any subtitles. it's just the dub version in german.

[battleforged]

Trom i'm not arguing or something. We're merely discussing and this happens to be a forum and that's what you do on forums, you discuss things and upload episodes of certain anime's etc. I'm merely suggesting my own opinion of how i see it. Nothing sarcastic or anything. I'm not blaiming subbers that there are alot of episodes missing. I'm that type of guy that when i see a series or anything i would prefer seeing it all from beginning to scratch without missing out 1 or 2. I don't like to continue watching something when i know that i cant continue watching it for some parts are missing. Unfortunately that's the way i am. 

[x64_02]

I think it also makes sense to say that fansub groups haven't always been as organized as they are now.  It isn't like there was a group subbing DC with as much pezzaz as DCTP consecutively from the run of the first episode till now.  The DC fansub community (Anime-conan, Kaizou, KnKF, Neg, etc) have been playing catchup to the vast number of episodes unsubbed at their launch.  It is an unfair comparison to compare the fansub community associated with Conan to that of Naruto or similar.  These are much newer shows and technology had already reached the necessary degree to fansub easily on personal computers at their start (not to mention the commercial benefit to fansubbers due to their increased popularity).  The fact that DCTP chose to jump the block of independent, plot negligible, one-off mystery episodes to get to the plot rich, Black Organization vs. FBI or character development episodes has enriched every episode of the show and kept it from being years before we found out what our Japanese counterparts knew (which is the leading complaint with professional subs/dubs).  (By enriched every episode, I mean, for example, that every episode with Haibara in it is more enjoyable by a large degree after I've seen her later episodes.  By this I speculate, every character is proportionately rich and interesting to the time spent in on-screen development.  Having that development before watching the intermediate independent mysteries, enrich the experience.) 

I'm that type of guy that when i see a series or anything i would prefer seeing it all from beginning to scratch without missing out 1 or 2. I don't like to continue watching something when i know that i cant continue watching it for some parts are missing. Unfortunately that's the way i am. 

Whilst the normal of watching anime is to go from episode 1 to 2 to 3..., in Conan, most episodes are the equivalent of OVA's.  I know that there are actual OVA's with Conan, but OVA's are usually side stories that don't affect the plot and sometimes conflict it but provide a fun show that showcases your favorite characters from the series.  With most anime, and Conan is no exception, you have elements of the show that are based on the manga and elements that are new for the anime.  In DC, no plot changes occur in anime original cases/episodes.  Only in manga based cases/episodes is the plot progressed or addressed and not in all of those.  The cases are usually best in manga based episodes also because Gosho is a frickin' genius.  Complaining about not receiving these episodes in order is like ordering an appetizer, a salad, and a steak.  Looking at your wallet, you can only afford two.  So you choose the appetizer and the salad because they occur in chronological order and you don't skip things. 

[battleforged]

I know what you said is right x64_02 and i can see your point in what is that you're trying to explain to me. I know that the fansub community are trying their very best, as it really shows to have a vast majority of the episodes subbed. I know that fansubbers are more interested in subbing the new episodes which are to come out in due time and i don't blame them as the majority of the people would prefer to continue watching the new episodes as they come out, rather than waiting for fansubbers to subb the old ones and after they're finished they subb the new ones. I'm just so anxious to get those missing episodes so i can watch them(although i know that those episodes don't contain important features) but there's nothing i can do is there, so i guess i have to wait for them to be subbed

Personally i don't like reading manga's as I'm not that much into reading(i was into reading, but due to a lot of circumstances i just lost interest). The only manga I'm reading at the moment is that of SPAWN(Todd Mc Farlane's Marvel comics). The reason I'm doing this is because the last cartoon's adult movie(not the real live movie as it sucks. they tried to fit all 3 movies into 1:S) of SPAWN, gives you the impression that the movie has yet to continue and due to that another movie hasn't come out yet i had to read the comic as in the comic it does really continue beyond where the last movie ended

[Kyoko]

I believe when Detective Conan first started out, we were still watching movies via VHS were we not?

DC is and old series, ooooooollllldddd... over 10 years old, if I'm not mistaken. Back then, technology wasn't exactly the best when it came to getting decent quality subs and translations. It was a much harder process to make fan-subbed tapes, and the internet at the time was still kinda new and everyone used dial-up.

Then let's say a few years later, more people get better internet and people start putting subbed shows onto their computers and uploading them. Considering a new episode of Detective Conan is aired weekly (with a few exceptions) that leaves a LOT of shows to do. One could go 1...2...3 like you said, but as they're trying to get these shows done, more shows air, and these shows are more plot related and interesting, instead of, like, the episode where the detective boys follow a series of images to find treasure that has nothing to do with the plot. Fans of the show would be more interested in the episodes involving the B.O. or Shinichi changing back, since that's more related to the actual plot of the show, right? So the group decides to work on the plot related shows, and leave the filler episodes for later, when they have spare time to work on them.

Then let's add in the factor of everyday life. People need to have jobs to survive, relatives can die, people can fall in love, get married, and have families, or someone can get injured, or they could just need a vacation from everything. These and other factors from everyday life in the real world can cause a person to stop translating for a while, and Japan's not going to stop airing new episodes for the sake of one person, so now that person's even more behind. Thus said person comes back and once again works on the episodes involving the plot, and saves whatever filler eps for later, and now there are more episodes to work on in their spare time.

No one's getting paid to do these subs/scanlations, so it's all in their spare time. Thus no one on this site owes anyone anything. And as someone who decided to get into this series recently and as a result had to read like 540 chapters to catch up to Japan, I can personally say that if you read/watch everything all at once, including the filler episodes, it can reeeeeaaaallllly drag out. So don't worry so much about every single episode for this particular series, not every ep is needed to understand what's going on.

[battleforged]

Kyoko you're absolutely right and i agree with what you have said. The first time i saw detective conan was on Italia Uno and after seeing some episodes i began liking it. This was like 2 or 3yrs ago, cant really remember exactly. Well i don't know what's in those missing episodes as obviously i didn't see them so i don't know what i missed or not, but i can say(making reference to what you said) that if they did contain something important about the "plot" or about the B.O they would have subbed them surely. Well I still have loads to watch as i haven't reached eps 400 yet. The thing is, seeing that i have arrived at a point where i had to stop because of some missing episodes, i seem to have lost interest in continuing watching the rest. It's just how i am. Seeing that the probability of those missing episodes to be subbed asap are based on a very minimum basis i have no other choice but to continue seeing the episodes as they currently are and hope for the best

[mitsuhiko2]

I think most of the episodes that are missing are "filler" episodes, that is, they are non-essential to the storyline. So, if you just watch the anime at least, you're not missing too much.

With that being said, I read the manga and the filler episodes are the ones I really WANT to watch. I guess you can't please everyone. :-(

[kat1214young]

What do you mean by "those difficulties" ?  I know it's hard for the group subbers to just translate those episodes, dont get me wrong. I dont even know what it consists of as i'm not a subber and dont know what they go through. Well you could just say that i'm just dying out here just like the rest of you guys to get those missing episodes as with pieces missing you're loosing quite alot of the story.

Missing a lot of the story is not necessarily true you know. Actually if you know Conan well, you'll know that you're not missing the story even if you hadn't seen the missing episodes. That's why The subbers are subbing the main plot first because that's the story. Episodes which are not yet subbed are just random mysteries encountered by Conan. If you want real continuing story of Conan, read the manga. You can read the manga without skipping a chapter. Read it from 1 to 655 (and counting  ) from cover to cover. That's you're complete Conan