RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

[sexysmirk]

but i do agree, if you're going to die, might as well protect the person that can destroy the organisation you hate so much

I don't think Irish wanted the organization itself to fall apart necessarily, just Gin. Because if Irish had succeded, BossMan meets Conan, BossMan kills Gin, BossMan probably kills Conan, "finishing up the job." So I think Irish just wanted to get Gin, period, whether Gin was ordered to kill Pisco or not.

[JareX]

I also noted another details:


1) Haibara mentions that she had a sister in front of the detective boys.

2) Conan was always one step ahead of the jap. police, but they dont seem to want any explanation

3) As stated before, the BO members riding an helicopter and shotting Tokyo tower is just ridiculous.

4) Even if the shot pierced both the memory card and Irish chest "not in vital organs" he would be able to move not talk, just think about the type of gun used.

5) Gin never saw a boy running up the tower.

6) How was the chief able to put those "V" shaped signals on the beetles??? if he was handtied AND why does he have lights on???

7) Maybe Ran is not THAT stupid: She directly associate the idea of braking the bowl and the disappearing of the knights helmet and when she is talking to conan in one of the last scenes she is doing like if she was talking to Shinichi.... so maybe, just maybe....




I really Liked the movie tho, specially for the following reasons

A) Ran used her Karate

B) BO members apeared, and the whole plot was centered on that

C) The serial murder case was interesting

D) Sato, Kogoro and other police officers seems to be more clever now (yep even kogoro, since he noticed the stars thing)

E) I was in suspense and entertained the whole movie

F) I was afraid that the scene seen on the trailers when gin is confronting conan was going to be shown at the end, and then revealed like a dream, well it was indeed a dream but it was presented in a way that didnt annoy me.

G) ETC.



Also I have some questions:


Q1) Does Vermouth really had a daughter??

Q2) Is there any clue about the moment or situation when Vermouth takes APTX (I think this is a fact)








PD: Sorry for the typing/grammatical errors, english is not my main language

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Q1) Does Vermouth really had a daughter??
Q2) Is there any clue about the moment or situation when Vermouth takes APTX (I think this is a fact)

Q1: There are some relevant discussions here: 1, 2, 3
Q2: There are some relevant discussions here: 1, 2

[kkslider5552000]

1) Haibara mentions that she had a sister in front of the detective boys.

2) Conan was always one step ahead of the jap. police, but they dont seem to want any explanation

3) As stated before, the BO members riding an helicopter and shotting Tokyo tower is just ridiculous.

4) Even if the shot pierced both the memory card and Irish chest "not in vital organs" he would be able to move not talk, just think about the type of gun used.

5) Gin never saw a boy running up the tower.

6) How was the chief able to put those "V" shaped signals on the beetles??? if he was handtied AND why does he have lights on???

7) Maybe Ran is not THAT stupid: She directly associate the idea of braking the bowl and the disappearing of the knights helmet and when she is talking to conan in one of the last scenes she is doing like if she was talking to Shinichi.... so maybe, just maybe....

1. I can't see how the DB knowing Haibara has a sister will ever matter for any reason.
2. Nothing new.
3. True but it looked cool.
4. ?
5. I THINK THAT WAS THE POINT
6. Because. Shut up.  :(
7. Movies = not canon

[conankudo4]

I'm pretty sure this won't be answered. They did the same thing in movie 3 the sense that

Spoiler:

Kaitou would have to have either gotten short-term amnesia or had a brainfart to not realize that conan = shinichi after helping him with Ran. But the anime/manga hasn't played on this, and in the other movies Kaitou's appeared in (8 and 10) he hasn't made any mention of it.

In short; they'll ignore it and pretend it didn't happen. Which kinda sucks, because I'd like to see how this would play out in a later movie, but that probably won't happen.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

There seems to be lots of confusion about how Matsumoto managed to send help messages while he was tied up. I'll try to come up with a rational explanation of how he could have left tape messages on bugs and not get caught.
Matsumoto had been kidnapped for 10 days. Humans can't survive without water that long so someone must have come by frequently to give him various necessities. Also, Matsumoto appeared not to have soiled himself (I'm not sure the animators would have included those details though...), so either Irish or Vermouth had stopped by frequently enough to allow him to eat and give him bathroom breaks which would give him some time to tape some bugs he had been gathering up secretly somehow. Another option is that Matsumoto was chained up in another configuration that allowed him more movement so that he could use his hands to eat the bentos, collect bugs, and avoid soiling himself. If his hands were handcuffed for instance, he could move them enough to catch bugs that ventured near the light and use chopsticks. He could have also been locked in another room with the lamp and a window too small to escape from. Bugs would be attracted in by the light and he could catch and tape them and toss them back outside again. The building was big enough to have multiple rooms. Another thing to point out is that there wasn't enough trash for 10 days of food and water supplies. Where did the rest of it go? It would be unnecessary to remove it as it is an abandoned building. Perhaps the rest of it is in another room where Matsumoto had been kept earlier.
We know Vermouth had been there for some time, at least 4 hours** or more, since you can see her bike when the kids entered the woods. She was presumably the figure with the gun the kids saw.

Spoiler:

Tanabata falls somewhere in August and sunsets for the month of August at Tokyo's latitude typically fall somewhere between 7:30 and 8:00. It is early evening when the kids get to the park. Mizutani enters Tokyo tower at 7:00 and from when we saw him on the roof earlier, it is much further along in the evening than when the kids entered the forest. I am going to guess the kids started at around 6:00 or so. Conan enters Tokyo tower at around 8:00 according to Sonoko. The tokyo tower observation decks close at 10:00. I am guessing Takagi and Sato showed up sometime after 10:00 given the timing with the other police officers.

Vermouth had plenty of time to clean up and rearrange the crime scene and Matsumoto as she wanted. I am sure that she was responsible for knocking Matsumoto out since Matsumoto was unconscious when Takagi and Sato came. You could hear her running away as Takagi and Sato burst into the room. Matsumoto also reported at the end not seeing the face of the person who kidnapped him. Matsumoto wasn't found blindfolded which unexpected given he reported not seeing the kidnapper's face. Perhaps Vermouth moved him from another room and took off the blindfold?
The whole Matsumoto tape thing is still pretty messed up logically. If this was the manga, I would start thinking Matsumoto lied about the ordeal given the implausibility of the events/carelessness of his captors.

[Abs.]

If this was the manga, I would start thinking Matsumoto lied about the ordeal given the implausibility of the events/carelessness of his captors.

...BECAUSE HE'S ACTUALLY THE BOSS!!! 

[Found]

First thing: Movie was super cool.

but did anyone think why the hell is a secret organisation riding a helicopter and firing bullets at the tokyo tower? 

I was already waiting for one of the police's choppers to come anytime, but it didn't

Matsumoto also reported at the end not seeing the face of the person who kidnapped him. Matsumoto wasn't found blindfolded which unexpected given he reported not seeing the kidnapper's face. Perhaps Vermouth moved him from another room and took off the blindfold?

Maybe he was blindfolded when kidnapped, then when the blindfold was taken off he could just see Irish disguised as him.

[kkslider5552000]

The whole Matsumoto tape thing is still pretty messed up logically. If this was the manga, I would start thinking Matsumoto lied about the ordeal given the implausibility of the events/carelessness of his captors.

Agreed. I don't mind so much when people are annoyed at something illogical happening with a manga case but I think we should be a bit more nice with AOs and OVAs and movies as long as they are entertaining and no one is OOC to the point that more than the people that usually complain about this stuff complain about it.

[ssjup81]

Ai mentioned having a sister in front of the DB before.  It was in a manga case too.  I think it was the one where there were two new students in the class, and their teacher came up with a game to get them involved, but made Conan not participate because he would've solved it too easily.

They were talking about an old style of grading.  Ai knew about it since she originally had it I think, but when Mitsuhiko (I think) pointed out that that was old, she quickly said that it was her older sister who had that grading system (or I could be wrong and she maybe lied and said her mother). ^^;

[ssjup81]

7) Maybe Ran is not THAT stupid: She directly associate the idea of braking the bowl and the disappearing of the knights helmet and when she is talking to conan in one of the last scenes she is doing like if she was talking to Shinichi.... so maybe, just maybe....

Aside from the fact that Ran isn't stupid in general, imo, she strikes me as the clairvoyant type.  She senses when something is off, like how she did when Shinichi left her at the amusement park, and sensed that something was going to happen to him or either he wasn't going to come back, which he technically didn't and something did happen.  Conan's dish breaking and Shinichi's helmet being missing just symbolized that something was going to happen to him.  I wouldn't say she figured Conan = Shinichi because it'd be far-fetched for anyone to think this as it's logically, and scientifically, impossible and implausible.

[Kor]

finally watched the movie (even though I started to download like everyone else, as I said, my connection sucks and it only finished today. megaupload always gets shut down with big files so it also wasn't optional.) and I watched it in order to celebrate the finish of my novel (and delete some stuff. now I just need to edit it and then let another person edit it  :()

ANYWHO! My favorite scene was probably Conan and Vermouth. For some time I wished for such scene, and after I saw it, I was satisfied. Now I only want Haibara and Vermouth scene (in which Vermouth doesn't point a gun at her...but oh well, Gosho doesn't come out with these things uaully so I'll just have to wait for the 20th movie in which the B.O. will appear again  ;D)
my favorite line was Korn's "I wanted to shoot" his expression was hillarious.
The best thing for me was that Ran didn't appear much, It made the movie much more enjoyable (for me at least)

Overall, I loved the movie and didn't find anything that wasn't to my liking. I mean it's not like a crappy AO...it's an epic AO  8)

[Abs.]

my favorite line was Korn's "I wanted to shoot" his expression was hillarious.

I'm too lazy to make sure, but wasn't that his ONLY line in the movie?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

my favorite line was Korn's "I wanted to shoot" his expression was hillarious.

I'm too lazy to make sure, but wasn't that his ONLY line in the movie?

Nah, he had a couple of phrases more when he and Chianti were setting up to take out Sato and Takagi's tires...

[baka1412]

A big shot from Police Department has been kidnapped (and someone infiltrated the police disguising as him), plus the Tokyo (or whatever the name is on this movie) Tower scene that could easily counted as terrorist act that you watch on Die Hard series..

And yet this movie simply ended just like nothing happened ?

Really, there should have been an after math for this movie.. Especially for Satou whose somewhat realize about the 3rd party involved on this case..