[Files 775-777] Target on Tape

[shihokudo]

Hmm, PT changed her avatar to Uehara a few days ago.  Abs. changed his to Kan-chan today.  Hmm......

And you changed yours to Peter Ran.  If we see a Conanbell now, we'll know what's what.

all i see is an Unicorn by the sea!

I just see this <3

[sonoci]

I was confused at first about the 'Conanbell' business...but then I saw it

I don't know whether to laugh or be in awe xD Conan and 'magical' business...it's like a dream(?) come true

[kholoudsafir]

I wish to see Heiji in the next file, whenever a new character is introduced, we see Conan discussing this with him.
Also, if Sera looks at the interaction between Heiji and Conan, then...

[Schillok]

I wish to see Heiji in the next file, whenever a new character is introduced, we see Conan discussing this with him.
Also, if Sera looks at the interaction between Heiji and Conan, then...

I doubt anything would happen if they talked with each other. Heiji and Conan talked a lot with each other about the BO, but when did ever anything productive come out of it?
No, if Heiji were to appear, it would just mean that he and Conan would first go on a small case, followed by a larger case. Like it usually happens when those two meet.

[Wakarimashita]

I wish to see Heiji in the next file, whenever a new character is introduced, we see Conan discussing this with him.
Also, if Sera looks at the interaction between Heiji and Conan, then...

I doubt anything would happen if they talked with each other. Heiji and Conan talked a lot with each other about the BO, but when did ever anything productive come out of it?
No, if Heiji were to appear, it would just mean that he and Conan would first go on a small case, followed by a larger case. Like it usually happens when those two meet.

+1 Heiji and significant plot progression rarely go together.

[doublemoonlight]

but on the other hand if that idiot detective from gima was to appear...

[redangelran]

but on the other hand if that idiot detective from gima was to appear...

that'll be the best..LOL

[red.orchid]

but on the other hand if that idiot detective from gima was to appear...

that'll be the best..LOL

You mean "Gunma"? That'd be Yamamura.
And I say ...
Don't, just don't. 

[GinRei]

I wish to see Heiji in the next file, whenever a new character is introduced, we see Conan discussing this with him.
Also, if Sera looks at the interaction between Heiji and Conan, then...

I doubt anything would happen if they talked with each other. Heiji and Conan talked a lot with each other about the BO, but when did ever anything productive come out of it?
No, if Heiji were to appear, it would just mean that he and Conan would first go on a small case, followed by a larger case. Like it usually happens when those two meet.

You seem to be forgetting when Heiji and Jodie met.

+1 Heiji and significant plot progression rarely go together.

When Heiji gave Conan the means of discovering the temporary cure for the APTX.  When Heiji impersonated Shinichi in Desperate Revival.  When Heiji stole Jodie's film, revealing she'd been stalking Kudo/Conan/Ran but he gave her a pass on not being evil.  When Heiji impersonated Shinichi in Footsteps (ep 345), which allowed Vodka to see Shinichi's face while Conan was off confronting Vermouth.  When Heiji dug up information on Mizunashi Reina for Conan.

Yeah, Heiji hasn't been involved in any plot progression at all.

[xpon]

Yeah, Heiji hasn't been involved in any plot progression at all.

[kholoudsafir]

I wish to see Heiji in the next file, whenever a new character is introduced, we see Conan discussing this with him.
Also, if Sera looks at the interaction between Heiji and Conan, then...

I doubt anything would happen if they talked with each other. Heiji and Conan talked a lot with each other about the BO, but when did ever anything productive come out of it?
No, if Heiji were to appear, it would just mean that he and Conan would first go on a small case, followed by a larger case. Like it usually happens when those two meet.

You seem to be forgetting when Heiji and Jodie met.

+1 Heiji and significant plot progression rarely go together.

When Heiji gave Conan the means of discovering the temporary cure for the APTX.  When Heiji impersonated Shinichi in Desperate Revival.  When Heiji stole Jodie's film, revealing she'd been stalking Kudo/Conan/Ran but he gave her a pass on not being evil.  When Heiji impersonated Shinichi in Footsteps (ep 345), which allowed Vodka to see Shinichi's face while Conan was off confronting Vermouth.  When Heiji dug up information on Mizunashi Reina for Conan.

Yeah, Heiji hasn't been involved in any plot progression at all.

Thank you 

[Schillok]

I wish to see Heiji in the next file, whenever a new character is introduced, we see Conan discussing this with him.
Also, if Sera looks at the interaction between Heiji and Conan, then...

I doubt anything would happen if they talked with each other. Heiji and Conan talked a lot with each other about the BO, but when did ever anything productive come out of it?
No, if Heiji were to appear, it would just mean that he and Conan would first go on a small case, followed by a larger case. Like it usually happens when those two meet.

You seem to be forgetting when Heiji and Jodie met.

I remember, but what did we really learn from it? Just that Jodie could drink Alcohol and that she was from the US IIRC. Oh sure, that last thing was interesting information, but it had no use until she revealed being FBI a few cases later.

When Heiji gave Conan the means of discovering the temporary cure for the APTX.

The "cure" turned out to be a dead-end. It only lasted for half a case and had no impact on the storyline. Sure, Ran got to see Shinichi again to confirm he was not dead (which she knew already) and Heiji met Shinichi for the first second time. Not relevant, since Heiji figured out Conans identity only during a later case because of the drug wearing off. Having seen Shinichi before was not important for that.  

When Heiji impersonated Shinichi in Desperate Revival.

He turned up without being asked for it and disappeared before he could talk with Shinichi. It also turned out to be pointless since Kazuha saw through everything immediately. A funny moment (and building up the dramatic situation to save Ran from being kissed by Araide/Vermouth), but his appearance had zero impact on the storyline.

When Heiji stole Jodie's film, revealing she'd been stalking Kudo/Conan/Ran but he gave her a pass on not being evil.

In a case with the FBI, the storyline often progressed. So in this case it was not really Heiji who advanced the story, it was Jodie. Heiji was there, but him being there was not the reason for the progression. Just like I don't consider Genta being the reason for progression when he carried the wounded Conan through the cave at the onset for the Desperate Revial Arc. He was there, he was important, but not the reason why the story progressed.

When Heiji impersonated Shinichi in Footsteps (ep 345), which allowed Vodka to see Shinichi's face while Conan was off confronting Vermouth.

Again, Conan and Heiji hardly talked with each other, just enough to solve the case on the ship. Actually, there way little reason for him to be there once more - if it wasn't for the letter announcing the crime he would not have been there and the case would have to been solved in another way. But again - Heiji was just there for the case, not to progress the storyline in any way.
Rather the opposite - it prevented Gin &Vodka from becoming suspicious because they thought Shinichi was dead, and Heiji showing that he was actually not Shinichi, calmed them down again.

When Heiji dug up information on Mizunashi Reina for Conan.

Wasn't that just a short phone call? I am pretty sure it was not followed by a Heiji-case.

Yeah, Heiji hasn't been involved in any plot progression at all.

I didn't say he wasn't involved at all. Just that his appearance is far from being a sign for storyline progression.

[Wakarimashita]

What he said. Most of these examples aren't really significant in terms of plot progression. Heiji has never been deeply involved in a direct confrontation with the BO.

[xpon]

heiji never met any of BO member right?

i hope they met soon

[GinRei]

I remember, but what did we really learn from it? Just that Jodie could drink Alcohol and that she was from the US IIRC. Oh sure, that last thing was interesting information, but it had no use until she revealed being FBI a few cases later.

It also had him state that she wasn't a bad guy.  Heiji is a good judge of character, so it really made you wonder who she was if not a member of the BO.

The "cure" turned out to be a dead-end. It only lasted for half a case and had no impact on the storyline. Sure, Ran got to see Shinichi again to confirm he was not dead (which she knew already) and Heiji met Shinichi for the first second time. Not relevant, since Heiji figured out Conans identity only during a later case because of the drug wearing off. Having seen Shinichi before was not important for that.

And since Conan had knowledge of that cure, he was able to pass it on to Haibara.  Since she took it, Gin did not discover she had shrunk.  She then based research on her later cure pills on this alcohol.  

He turned up without being asked for it and disappeared before he could talk with Shinichi. It also turned out to be pointless since Kazuha saw through everything immediately. A funny moment (and building up the dramatic situation to save Ran from being kissed by Araide/Vermouth), but his appearance had zero impact on the storyline.

Point still stands that he was involved.

In a case with the FBI, the storyline often progressed. So in this case it was not really Heiji who advanced the story, it was Jodie. Heiji was there, but him being there was not the reason for the progression. Just like I don't consider Genta being the reason for progression when he carried the wounded Conan through the cave at the onset for the Desperate Revial Arc. He was there, he was important, but not the reason why the story progressed.

Now you're just grasping.  "Oh, he was there, and he was involved, but it doesn't matter because the FBI trumps him."  You'd still consider the DB, as a whole, the reason for progression at the beginning of that case.  They went into the cave.  They were the reason Conan was shot.

Again, Conan and Heiji hardly talked with each other, just enough to solve the case on the ship. Actually, there way little reason for him to be there once more - if it wasn't for the letter announcing the crime he would not have been there and the case would have to been solved in another way. But again - Heiji was just there for the case, not to progress the storyline in any way.
Rather the opposite - it prevented Gin &Vodka from becoming suspicious because they thought Shinichi was dead, and Heiji showing that he was actually not Shinichi, calmed them down again.

It brought the name "Kudou Shinichi" back up to the Organization.  Enough so that Gin felt compelled to ask Vermouth about him.  Going from thinking he's dead to considering him to be alive is progression.

Wasn't that just a short phone call? I am pretty sure it was not followed by a Heiji-case.

So?

I didn't say he wasn't involved at all. Just that his appearance is far from being a sign for storyline progression.

Oh really?

I doubt anything would happen if they talked with each other. Heiji and Conan talked a lot with each other about the BO, but when did ever anything productive come out of it?
No, if Heiji were to appear, it would just mean that he and Conan would first go on a small case, followed by a larger case. Like it usually happens when those two meet.

No one said that he's instantly equated to storyline progression.  It was said that Conan discusses new characters with him, which is true regarding Jodie and Mizunashi Reina.  However, you implicitly stated that nothing productive ever comes from him appearing and they do nothing but solve random cases.

What he said. Most of these examples aren't really significant in terms of plot progression. Heiji has never been deeply involved in a direct confrontation with the BO.

No one except Conan, Jodie, Akai, and maybe Agasa (if you count his involvement in monitoring Conan's vitals against Vermouth) have if you're going to get that nit-picky.