Shinichi's apparent learning disability

[caribou]

Why Shinichi/Conan has been getting more careless...

The idea to keep his identity and the effect of the APTX secret, wasn't Shinichi's own, but Professor Agasa's: http://www.mangareader.net/139-8048-15/ ... ter-2.html

Of course Shinichi wouldn't have simply followed along with Agasa's advice, he must have thought it for the best also after his own assessment of the situation. But I'm wondering if maybe he is slowly changing his mind... he may be taking a calculated risk to eventually reveal himself and the truth about the drug.

This may be because (and this is my main speculation) Agasa is not to be trusted. He told Shinichi that he must not tell anyone what happened, not because he wanted to protect Shinichi and those around him, but because he wanted to keep the drug research a secret. Shinichi is realising this, and so he is slowly changing his strategy (he has to do it discreetly, so that Agasa will not realise it until it is the proper time for a confrontation).

(even though I would like this to be true I still have a niggling suspicion that it's just Gosho being careless. T_T)

[Arisana]

That's possible, but what about Haibara and her warnings? She was a former Black Organization operative, and had gone as far as shooting Shinichi with a fake gun to illustrate to him what would happen if he told.

Certain people could be Black Organization operatives, which is a danger to tell. In Hattori's case, even after Hattori had caught him in the act, he still tried to deny. But when Eisuke quite vaguely hinted that he knew, Shinichi just told him without being certain that he knew, so yes, Shinichi's attitude towards hiding his identity has been visibly more careless.

Although I do suspect that Shinichi still doesn't overly trust Haibara. To some extent, he does, more than he did when he first met her, but he often refrains from telling Haibara about organization leads, and seems to believe that Haibara is paranoid about going against the organization.

But he has also witnessed the organization's methods. Or perhaps he believes that knowledge about the organization is not as dangerous as he initially believed?

[ssjup81]

I wouldn't call it paranoia, I'd call it fear on Ai's part.

[caribou]

But he has also witnessed the organization's methods. Or perhaps he believes that knowledge about the organization is not as dangerous as he initially believed?

Exactly, maybe he has simply decided that it is more dangerous to keep the truth about the BO and the APTX quiet than to reveal the information. Just a guess.

[SZ5531]

I might seem late to reply by now, but:

IF SERA KEEPS HINTING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN SHINICHI AND CONAN TO RAN, WOULDN'T SHE THINK ABOUT IT?

From memory the last time Ran confronted Conan about his identity was in from of his house...But Yukiko coincidentally came to rescue him XD I remember when Ran left, Yukiko mentioned that Ran did not seem completely convinced by Yukiko's 'aunt's cousin's etc etc' explanantion of Shinichi's resemblance to Conan.

I agree that Conan is getting 'careless', though I also agree that it might be a part of Conan's plan to distance himself from Agasa whether the reason be that Agasa is 'not to be trusted' or that he doesn't want to risk him/let him interfere.

Agasa took Ai in, which tells Conan that Agasa can make his own moves. Saving her is self-explanatory but he even went as far as (possibly) creating fake legal documents for Ai to go to school, all without telling Conan. It would probably have taken a few weeks for Ai to recover and get the documents ready. What did Agasa tell Conan during this time when he was aware that he was risking everyone's lives? What proof did he have that Ai was not an enemy other than her claims?

Is it just a necessary mistake by Gosho for the plot?

p.s. I still have foolish faith in Shinichi because there'll be no point of reading so many chapters if he loses in the end.. I won't let that ending!!!

[randompi314159]

Maybe his recent 'fumbles' could be signalling the approach to the end?

[psyko_stevey_999]

Give up on those fantasies, Gosho has said that he wants to reach 1000 chapter which means an upcoming is fairly unlikely. Unless that clever son of a gun put those claims out there on purpose just to catch fans off guard with the ending....

[Shuusgirl]

Give up on those fantasies, Gosho has said that he wants to reach 1000 chapter which means an upcoming is fairly unlikely. Unless that clever son of a gun put those claims out there on purpose just to catch fans off guard with the ending....

Where did you hear that?  I heard that it's going to be shorter than that one 1600+ manga, but I've never heard this.

[psyko_stevey_999]

he had said in the past that he wanted it to be the longest but he conceded and said that he wanted to make it over 1000. i can't tell exactly where I heard it because I found it out a while ago but as far as I know that was the projection

[caribou]

I might seem late to reply by now, but:

IF SERA KEEPS HINTING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN SHINICHI AND CONAN TO RAN, WOULDN'T SHE THINK ABOUT IT?

From memory the last time Ran confronted Conan about his identity was in from of his house...But Yukiko coincidentally came to rescue him XD I remember when Ran left, Yukiko mentioned that Ran did not seem completely convinced by Yukiko's 'aunt's cousin's etc etc' explanantion of Shinichi's resemblance to Conan.

I agree that Conan is getting 'careless', though I also agree that it might be a part of Conan's plan to distance himself from Agasa whether the reason be that Agasa is 'not to be trusted' or that he doesn't want to risk him/let him interfere.

Agasa took Ai in, which tells Conan that Agasa can make his own moves. Saving her is self-explanatory but he even went as far as (possibly) creating fake legal documents for Ai to go to school, all without telling Conan. It would probably have taken a few weeks for Ai to recover and get the documents ready. What did Agasa tell Conan during this time when he was aware that he was risking everyone's lives? What proof did he have that Ai was not an enemy other than her claims?

Is it just a necessary mistake by Gosho for the plot?

p.s. I still have foolish faith in Shinichi because there'll be no point of reading so many chapters if he loses in the end.. I won't let that ending!!!

yes, hopefully this is all leading up to a FINAL Ran's suspicion arc and maybe she will finally find out and maybe we will finally get to the end!

you also added a good point about Agasa taking Ai in so readily and getting her fake documents, etc.

it's just that I think because it has been grilled into our minds from the start that YES Conan must keep his real identity secret and APTX MUST BE A SECRET!! but now I am just questioning that assumption.

[Sato]

I think Gosho deliberately set up that case, which somehow led her to think through to reveal or not. She incline to think Ran is softie but strong, with a decision to think not to let her face herself alone in danger. Somehow Ran want to defend herself, and Sera is surprised to see she want to resolve with Shinichi who was talking through the phone. Initially she thought Ran is weak but she's not and can last long as she trust Shinichi much. If Shinichi is not with her, Sera is now convinced Ran knows how to save herself, but with help of friend. I think she make the decision to help Ran and changed mind if she know on spot Conan is Shinichi, she was convinced they will be together no matter what happens to them. The case is to let Sera see other side she never thought or see from Ran.

About Conan, I think he's tired of acting. I think he figure out he look like an elephant can blend in! So he often use the phone to call as Shinichi, as no one will figure out Conan's identiy as he will be ignored, everyone knows him as Conan.

[1Kaito]

I think people focus on his bad points more than his awesome points.

[Goral]

(...) the only cases in which this doesn't apply are the ones with agasa or the speakerbutton...

This reminds me, it's one thing that there would be one sleeping, retarded detective but we also have Sonoko and that Gunma policeman and neither of them finds it strange they do the same thing as Mouri. Plus recently Conan decided to put Gunma policeman/inspector to sleep instead of using Agasa (he was present then too). That was really stupid of him.

On a different note, Agasa for a genius can't see some really obvious things and Conan has to explain everything to him. I would think he would grasp things easily.

(...) What proof did he have that Ai was not an enemy other than her claims? (...)

That's a good point. I doubt he's the bad guy though.

[kyuuketsuki]

Question... How do we know Ai has documents? Conan apparently doesn't and goes to school just fine. Agasa even mentioned how forging those documents would be illegal, and therefore couldn't help Conan get to London. So it is possible that Ai has no documents and he simply lied when applying for Haibara to go there, and they simply didn't check.

[Vylash]

I think people focus on his bad points more than his awesome points.

That's because his bad points are glaringly obvious and annoying as hell