Files 771-774 Discussion Thread: The Forced Deduction (Yes,

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Conan 48:69 wrote: My sinister prediction for File 774 story
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The criminal who carried a gun always have a chance to shot, look like either Ran or Sera will get shot to serious injury by Sawaguri while trying to stop him from shooting or push a time bomb button. Ran had the higher possibility to get shot, since she cost sniper a great chance to shot Sawaguri, her merciful will pay a big price for sure.

List of main characters who get shot:

Conan Edogawa - Ep 188 The Desperate Revival: The Cavern of the Detective Boys
Hattori Heiji - Ep 118 The Naniwa Serial Murder Case
Haibara Ai - Ep 178 Meeting with the Black Organization Again
Officer Takagi - Ep 535 An Old Scar and the Detective's Spirit
Officer Sato - Movie 4 Capture In Their Eyes
Akai Shuichi - Ep 504 Clash of Red and Black: Killed in the Line of Duty
Jodie & Vermouth - Ep 345 Head-to-Head Match with Black Organization, Two Mysteries Night of the Full Moon
Gin - Ep 425 Black Impact! The Instant that the Black Organization Reaches

Who's next?
I have to say it would be very interesting!!!
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Conan 48:69 wrote: My sinister prediction for File 774 story
Spoiler:
The criminal who carried a gun always have a chance to shot, look like either Ran or Sera will get shot to serious injury by Sawaguri while trying to stop him from shooting or push a time bomb button. Ran had the higher possibility to get shot, since she cost sniper a great chance to shot Sawaguri, her merciful will pay a big price for sure.

List of main characters who get shot:

Conan Edogawa - Ep 188 The Desperate Revival: The Cavern of the Detective Boys
Hattori Heiji - Ep 118 The Naniwa Serial Murder Case
Haibara Ai - Ep 178 Meeting with the Black Organization Again
Officer Takagi - Ep 535 An Old Scar and the Detective's Spirit
Officer Sato - Movie 4 Capture In Their Eyes
Akai Shuichi - Ep 504 Clash of Red and Black: Killed in the Line of Duty
Jodie & Vermouth - Ep 345 Head-to-Head Match with Black Organization, Two Mysteries Night of the Full Moon
Gin - Ep 425 Black Impact! The Instant that the Black Organization Reaches

Who's next?
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If you going to count Sato, I might add Ran and Eri in Movie two too

Also agree with sstimson
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Not that the bomb and gun have to be fake (he fall into the ground but the bomb did not go out - but again if this point going to be used Sera would have noticed it.) but this idea support Ran's action more.
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mysterygirl wrote:
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Yeah...  I definitely don't think it's anywhere plausible that Miku committed a suicide considering this is Detective Conan, BUT, now that you pointed it out. Wouldn't it make a nice twist if that actually was the case?  O____O  That Miku did kill herself?  And her brother kind of went into her social networking posts and edited them (in some way)?

That makes her brother either sick in the head or he is still trying to take his anger out on one of Miku's contacts. (I mean, it's odd enough that Miku was using her brother's account. >.>) 

Well, whatever happens in the end, I'm sure Conan can still do something even if he's on the phone. Or, we have Sera.  <_< There's that feeling of some kind of struggle that might happen in Part 4, sitting at the back of my throat. Hopefully, the outcome is such that whoever gets injured doesn't die (if that's the case). 
After reading file 773
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You know, now I think that Miku's suicide would be the best option. I mean, actually I don't see anything odd in these women's behaviour, except Tamami's (her shocked face). Still I don't think that she's murderer, that would be way too easy, and basing only on that she was the last guest in Miku's room and her fear after meeting, it's not too much evidence.
Tamami couldn't be the murderer, cause if she was so nervious, she would make a lot of mistakes like forgot to wash some blood on her, her fingerprints etc. I think somebody would notice it during investigation.
Plus, there's still something about Miku who didn't allow Tamami to use her bathroom. Maybe Miku was just mean, maybe she couldn't allow her to come, cause somebody was there (still a possibility). But who? ??? Without slippers theory, I have a feeling that nobody was there.

Now when I'm thinking of it... Yuchi is a fox, Miku wrote "The fox made another excuse to come again", so it means Yuchi was in Miku's room at least twice. Why she didn't get authograph when she came earlier? Maybe actually Yuchi is the author of Miku's book, maybe they had some pact about it, but then Miku deceived her, so she complained about it. Then she had an idea to kill Miku, so she came, gave her some drugs - while leaving she was so nervous that she mistook slippers. The best evidence of this theory: Yuchi's book is like brand new, because she's NEVER read it, cause she WROTE it.
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Ran sure has confidence in Shinichi....
I just thought WTF!
And Sera seems kind of crazy :D
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So the sniper was from the police  ;D, did not have high expectations from the first place  :P.

Sera seems to lead Ran to deduct that Conan=Shinichi, she made it too easy for her.

Did Conan know what Ran has done? He did not seem to acknowledge that. I mean what if he thinks that the curtains are still opened, so he continued with his deduction, unless like Redpoppy said it was a suicide and there is no need for blood shed.
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So the sniper was from the police  ;D, did not have high expectations from the first place  :P.

Sera seems to lead Ran to deduct that Conan=Shinichi, she made it too easy for her.

Did Conan know what Ran has done? He did not seem to acknowledge that. I mean what if he thinks that the curtains are still opened, so he continued with his deduction, unless like Redpoppy said it was a suicide and there is no need for blood shed.
I don't think Conan knew what Ran did. Though I did find it weird that he didn't question what happened after he realized what Sera was trying to do.

So it was the job relations for the nicknames for the three, interesting. I wonder what Sera will do now.
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RedPoppy wrote:
mysterygirl wrote:
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Yeah...  I definitely don't think it's anywhere plausible that Miku committed a suicide considering this is Detective Conan, BUT, now that you pointed it out. Wouldn't it make a nice twist if that actually was the case?  O____O  That Miku did kill herself?  And her brother kind of went into her social networking posts and edited them (in some way)?

That makes her brother either sick in the head or he is still trying to take his anger out on one of Miku's contacts. (I mean, it's odd enough that Miku was using her brother's account. >.>) 

Well, whatever happens in the end, I'm sure Conan can still do something even if he's on the phone. Or, we have Sera.  <_< There's that feeling of some kind of struggle that might happen in Part 4, sitting at the back of my throat. Hopefully, the outcome is such that whoever gets injured doesn't die (if that's the case). 
After reading file 773
Spoiler:
You know, now I think that Miku's suicide would be the best option. I mean, actually I don't see anything odd in these women's behaviour, except Tamami's (her shocked face). Still I don't think that she's murderer, that would be way too easy, and basing only on that she was the last guest in Miku's room and her fear after meeting, it's not too much evidence.
Tamami couldn't be the murderer, cause if she was so nervious, she would make a lot of mistakes like forgot to wash some blood on her, her fingerprints etc. I think somebody would notice it during investigation.
Plus, there's still something about Miku who didn't allow Tamami to use her bathroom. Maybe Miku was just mean, maybe she couldn't allow her to come, cause somebody was there (still a possibility). But who? ??? Without slippers theory, I have a feeling that nobody was there.

Now when I'm thinking of it... Yuchi is a fox, Miku wrote "The fox made another excuse to come again", so it means Yuchi was in Miku's room at least twice. Why she didn't get authograph when she came earlier? Maybe actually Yuchi is the author of Miku's book, maybe they had some pact about it, but then Miku deceived her, so she complained about it. Then she had an idea to kill Miku, so she came, gave her some drugs - while leaving she was so nervous that she mistook slippers. The best evidence of this theory: Yuchi's book is like brand new, because she's NEVER read it, cause she WROTE it.
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I agree with you because if the rat is the murderer, it would be pretty obvious. So i think it's the fox.
And i also think Shinichi has some sort of plan but the problem is what is his plan. He couldn't let two people die after all Ran is confident that he wouldn't let it happen.
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I really wonder how Conan aka Shinichi wants to stop the murder to happen. I mean, what if that guy just say *is that so?* and the next moment just shoot the Rat person to death not bothering to listen to the high school detectiv anymore? :|
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James Rye wrote: I really wonder how Conan aka Shinichi wants to stop the murder to happen. I mean, what if that guy just say *is that so?* and the next moment just shoot the Rat person to death not bothering to listen to the high school detectiv anymore? :|
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James Rye wrote: I really wonder how Conan aka Shinichi wants to stop the murder to happen. I mean, what if that guy just say *is that so?* and the next moment just shoot the Rat person to death not bothering to listen to the high school detectiv anymore? :|
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I know that, i just hope it´s something reasonable and not *just cause the mangaka says so* otherwise...well, it would have been just a dumb move. :-\
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I don't think the "rat" is necessarily the murderer. It was only implied that the rat was the last one to enter. So maybe Kudo didn't reveal the culprit yet.
And for the colors, as I have stated before, I think there is too vague of a definition of what colors these animals have. I thought that the elephant would be grey, as ivory is only the tusks of the elephant. The rat could have been brown as bread, and as for seals, don't they often use the color of red or orange for the stamps, which could have been the color of fox?
And I don't think a sniper lenses can be so visible in the dark. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of sniping? What's the use if targets can detect the lights so easily?
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