Shinichi's apparent learning disability

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i think the killer (namabuchi if i recall right) had peace on mind after his arrest and just wanted to see the fireflies of his homeforest before he went (back) to prison, i think it was somewhere stated that this "smell" is more connected to the "evil eyes" which, while observing you and your surroundings, pierce everything, at least this seems to be (to me) the most logical explanation i can now come up with... and this explains why Akai sometimes loses his bad aura and why Namabuchi hasn't any anymore at all.
and in consequence of there is a chance that Ai's senses also apply for notorious serialkillers
while Kudo was able to tell that Gin can kill many people without remorse by a look into his eyes as cold as ice during the rollercoaster case
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Akonyl wrote: on the contrary, I'd say that this is a sign that he has learned.

He's been doing the same thing for 700 files now and hasn't gotten caught, so it makes sense that he'll start being more relaxed about it once he learns people aren't gonna call him out on it. Of course, it's gonna come back to bite him in the ass sooner or later, but he definitely wasn't so incautious early on.
I agree.  Besides, if I were in the B.O, and some kid's name came up  and he was a famous detective, the first thing I'd think was that someone was piggybacking on the dead detective's success.  It would explain why he's never there in person, (barring the DR arc, where only his face showed anyway) and would confirm the apparent infallibility the B.O seem to think they have (barring Vermouth).  So pulling out the old bowtie isn't going to hurt much.  It's easier to believe that someone's a copycat then a poison that's killed many other people somehow shrunk a random detective. (Remember they don't know Shiho shrunk).
Besides which, Shinichi trusts his instincts a lot, and they say that Sera's not B.O.  And Ran's in danger.  Less danger to himself and Ran in a lot of danger makes a Shinichi who doesn't think through everything.
i think the same way... but nevertheless it's a tightropewalk
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^I also think that

I think haibara can sense the "blood" or "bloodlust" in someone. Since most BOs are ready to kill someone or even want to kill someone badly.
Akai is similar, since he wants to take down the BO. He's also ready to kill or even wants revenge.

Numabuchi didn't kill for a long time anymore and also seemed to not want to kill anyone when they saw him in the forest.
I think a "negative smell" isn't telling us for 100% if someone is in the BO or similar anymore.
And a "positive smell" could also mean it's a FBI/CIA guy.

Okiya has a smell because he's a serious cook and kills all those poor animals for food :(
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That makes sense, except for Akemi, who wasn't trying to kill anyone...
And, yeah, there's a definite risk for Shinichi, but when the bomber was about to close the phone he couldn't exactly say, "Hey, wait, let me make a list of pros and cons and possibly tell you I'm Shinichi.  Hold on, I can't find a working pen...", he's gotta go with his gut instinct and hope that everything will be fine.  I don't think that it's a "learning disability", I think it's a quickly calculated risk.  He knows what'll happen if he's wrong (possibly exposure), but if he does nothing it's worse.
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Kleene Onigiri wrote: Okiya has a smell because he's a serious cook and kills all those poor animals for food :(
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Kyuu, you have no idea how much more AMAZING your post sounded right after watching two Zero-Punctuation reviews xDDD

I'm beginning to think Shinichi is rushing because he's beginning to despair... I also think maybe his own life isn't his top priority; however, that also puts Ran in danger, which does seem to be his top priority 9_9
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I only have one thing to say in here with this...

For a smart guy he can be really REALLY stupid.
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Spiritgal304 wrote: I only have one thing to say in here with this...

For a smart guy he can be really REALLY stupid.
See, I don't think he's stupid.  A little reckless, a little arrogant, but not stupid.  He knows that his actions can cause danger (proved by his famous "trapping the culpriet into suicide" quote), he just thinks he can take care of any problems.
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Yes, he did a bad move.

And sometimes putting everyone in danger by showing-up as Kudo Shinichi where the involved can easily go to the press or the incident can be easily known by the press due of their connections.

With that we think that he is stupid because of his rush decisions but remember he is still a teenager.

Teenagers are not that matured and probably do some rush decisions without thinking about it properly. And he is also not a perfect guy so we cannot expect him to be always wise in deciding.

And if it was you and the person you really love most is in danger, what would you do???

So we can't blame him. It was just his adrenaline rush acting.
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Spiritgal304 wrote: I only have one thing to say in here with this...

For a smart guy he can be really REALLY stupid.
I don't find his actions stupid, I find them realistic.  When people are panicked, they react differently, this goes for both teenagers and adults.  Some can keep a cool head, where others tend to act rashly, especially when it's personal.  Ran is in danger, he cares a lot about Ran, so he'd obviously try to think of something fast to help her if she's in danger, even if it is reckless.

To me, he came across as being panicked and pulled the whole, "This is Shinichi" thing after being boxed into a corner.  In other words, his reaction seemed to be more so emotional based, not logic based.

So, bottom line, I don't find his actions stupid...I find them to be very human, which shows that Shinichi is definitely a flawed character.
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imo, flawed characters are the best ones. No one wants to read a story when they can predict exactly what will happen.
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yeah, flawed characters come across as more realistic which equals better.
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Whoa, I guess I should have added more to my post.  I didn't mean that Shinichi's stupid just that his actions can be stupid sometimes. I should have reworded my post. I like the fact that he does make mistakes it makes him as everyone has been saying more realistic.
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My problem is that his mistakes are often repeated...
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xpon wrote: - show in Teitan school during the drama show. (desperate revival arc)
This was pretty dumb, not gonna lie. Heiji was standing right there and could easily have communicated the case solution. :P

Shinichi aside, it's pretty funny how often Conan made himself unecessarily conspicuous right in front of Vermouth during that arc.

But I also like those moments; they're funny. :P
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