Shinichi's apparent learning disability

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psyko_stevey_999 wrote: I've heard the idea of Shinichi being a "infallible" character, but the truth is I think these acts of stupidity are Gosho's way of differing him from that. These faults humanize him in a way that makes him believable. I mean it's true, no argument, there are obvious instances of him being a total idiot but he's a teenager. He may be a super genius but he's still a teenager and by nature teenager's tend to be absent-minded

Plus, if it wasn't for these lapses in intellect we wouldn't have some of our best plot developments
I agree with that.
He's a teenager, and we know when he panics, then he'll do stupid/rash things. Especially when Ran is involved.
He's also young and not really the passive or calm type anyway. He likes to show off.
This behaviour makes him look stupid because he's seen as a genius anyway. So any mistake he'd do would make him look stupid. But otherwise there would be no plot-development at all if he wouldn't do any mistakes at all :V I also prefer it if he does some rash/stupid things :)
He also doesn't see Sera as a threat. So he's not cautious around her too.
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Judging by the last chapter I'd have to agree that this could very well be an introduction to a Ran's suspicions arc. However I'd be shocked if that's all it comes to. I can picture Sera and Ran become buddies and Sera questioning Ran about Shinichi's disappearance, rousing questions for Ran as well.

You know what'd be sad? If after all the waiting Shinichi finally confessed but before Ran returned his feelings she found out he was Conan and rationalized in her mind that she couldn't be with a guy that lied to her

Downright depressing.....I better not be freakin right
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on the contrary, I'd say that this is a sign that he has learned.

He's been doing the same thing for 700 files now and hasn't gotten caught, so it makes sense that he'll start being more relaxed about it once he learns people aren't gonna call him out on it. Of course, it's gonna come back to bite him in the ass sooner or later, but he definitely wasn't so incautious early on.
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I don't like this. Ran can be suspicious, I don't mind; but I don't want her to find out because that would mean the end is getting closer...
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Akonyl wrote: on the contrary, I'd say that this is a sign that he has learned.

He's been doing the same thing for 700 files now and hasn't gotten caught, so it makes sense that he'll start being more relaxed about it once he learns people aren't gonna call him out on it. Of course, it's gonna come back to bite him in the ass sooner or later, but he definitely wasn't so incautious early on.
I agree.  Besides, if I were in the B.O, and some kid's name came up  and he was a famous detective, the first thing I'd think was that someone was piggybacking on the dead detective's success.  It would explain why he's never there in person, (barring the DR arc, where only his face showed anyway) and would confirm the apparent infallibility the B.O seem to think they have (barring Vermouth).  So pulling out the old bowtie isn't going to hurt much.  It's easier to believe that someone's a copycat then a poison that's killed many other people somehow shrunk a random detective. (Remember they don't know Shiho shrunk).
Besides which, Shinichi trusts his instincts a lot, and they say that Sera's not B.O.  And Ran's in danger.  Less danger to himself and Ran in a lot of danger makes a Shinichi who doesn't think through everything.
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Shuusgirl wrote: And Ran's in danger.  Less danger to himself and Ran in a lot of danger makes a Shinichi who doesn't think through everything.
As seen in multiple other cases. I suppose if it's looked at it that way, he has learned something. Though if it's another Ran suspicion, and she and Sera start to bond, then maybe Sera will help to uncover his id.
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Shinichi can be wrong, we won't know until Ai meets her. If Ai has a reaction then she is, if not then we are still at a loss.

Also, he is revealing who he is, essentially to another detective and to people he doesn't know. Who is to say they don't talk to the press? Shinichi could very well end up in the newspaper.
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kyuuketsuki wrote: Shinichi can be wrong, we won't know until Ai meets her. If Ai has a reaction then she is, if not then we are still at a loss.

Also, he is revealing who he is, essentially to another detective and to people he doesn't know. Who is to say they don't talk to the press? Shinichi could very well end up in the newspaper.
Even then, Ai isn't the "great B.O detector".  Didn't she say that she "smelled" the Black Organization scent on her sister?  Besides, Akai's not bad and she reacted to him too. (I just couldn't abbreviate there, it would have read too weird.)
I wouldn't be too worried about the suspects/possible victims.  What are they going to say to the press?  "Yeah, a kid called on the phone and suddenly turned into Shinichi Kudo.  Weird, huh?  So...how much do I get for that?"  It'd sound weak in their minds too, so why would they go to the press?  No, the real risk is Sera, and I'm not sure she's a huge risk.
Actually, I take that back, the risk is that Ran figures it out.  But I think he wants her to figure it out, at least subconsciously.  Then he wouldn't have told her, but she'd know.
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@ above: for your info, She scent Akai because Akai worked undercover as 'Rye' and the fact he had been dating her sister
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Shuusgirl wrote: Even then, Ai isn't the "great B.O detector".  Didn't she say that she "smelled" the Black Organization scent on her sister?  Besides, Akai's not bad and she reacted to him too.
No, it works.  Everyone she has "smelled" so far definitely worked for the BO. Her sister "smelled" right before she was about to do the job for them: The bank heist. Akai was BO member Rye in the past.

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The only time it failed was Rat boy from the Mitsuhiko missing case but that was kind of dropped since then and probably just because they guy hadn't showered in months.
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ProfParanoia wrote: The only time it failed was Rat boy from the Mitsuhiko missing case but that was kind of dropped since then and probably just because they guy hadn't showered in months.
hahahahahaha.  But didn't she sense it on Akai when he wasn't part of the B.O?  If it comes and goes depending on if you're currently on a job like it's suggested with the serial-killer-who's-name-escapes-me and Akemi, then why wouldn't it be gone by then with Akai?
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Shuusgirl wrote:
ProfParanoia wrote: The only time it failed was Rat boy from the Mitsuhiko missing case but that was kind of dropped since then and probably just because they guy hadn't showered in months.
hahahahahaha.  But didn't she sense it on Akai when he wasn't part of the B.O?  If it comes and goes depending on if you're currently on a job like it's suggested with the serial-killer-who's-name-escapes-me and Akemi, then why wouldn't it be gone by then with Akai?
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The point is that there might have been a borderline false negative with the serial killer dude, but there have never been any false positives yet.
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Abs. wrote: The point is that there might have been a borderline false negative with the serial killer dude
Plus, that's while he was hiding up a tree in the forest, and if I recall he was brought in to be a killer but they dropped him as a project relatively quick.
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