Let's talk about Elena Miyano

[Mizzicco]

Hakuba Saguru? the guy in the fake detective koushien...... maybe he is bourbon since he is good at gathering intelligence and stuff....we actually missed that out...... 

although its unlikely 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

But I don't really understand this. When the characters from DBZ are doing it, it's perfectly fine, but when Pegasus is trying to raise back his dead wife, it's pure evil? If I think about it, then the message that DB gives is very wrong. If someone close to the main characters die, they go and search for the dragon ball in order to bring him back. That's not very moral thing to do. It just shows that the so called heros can't let go of anyone and they have to bring him back to life.

It's not the end - reviving someone- that is the problem, it is the means to the end where villains get differentiated from protagonists. When the protagonists do it, they usually don't maim innocents (at least intentionally). It's been a very, very long time since I last saw DBZ, but if I recall correctly, using the magic spheres doesn't kill anyone else in the process. If the villain is trying to revive someone, very often it requires some sort of forbidden magic or making a deal with sealed evil in a can or the like which means innocent people are going to be killed or something else is going to be catastrophically messed up. I'm not sure who Pegasus is, but if he is a villain, I will bet 3.6 cents that he is either a total jerk who is doing bad things while trying to get the power to bring back his dead wife or the method for revival involves killing someone or lots of someones in the process and he decided that it was an acceptable sacrifice which makes him a jerk even if his intentions weren't originally bad.

That's what I think too. I oppose to the whole idea because then it's just like any other fantasy genre anime in which the villain tries to gain immortality in order to live forever or the villain brings back to life an ancient city with zombies and he uses them in order to destroy the world. I don't hate these kind of things (given the anime is good) but I don't want such things to be in Conan because it will ruin the whole realistic feeling about it.

I doubt the org's goal is to take over the world and form an evil empire or make an army of zombies. It's too out of genre. If the org has world-domination-like aspirations they aren't going to be subjugating all of humanity - if anything it will be a bit like a consolidated global mafia in the shadows that is very influential - like an evil underground walmart. In any case, I doubt the org wants to take over the world because they are putting their resources into research instead of dedicating those resources into infiltrating and taking control of politics, the police, and other important sectors of society. The research suggests other motivations: like immortality, phoenix down in a pill, etc.

FINAL CONFRONTATION AGAINST THE BLACK ORGANIZATION! (everything is revealed in one episode)
Haibara: in the tapes, my mom said...
Akai: the last thing your sister told me...
Boss: the intentions of the organization are...and the goals of the drugs and programs are...
Vermouth: I don't get older because...
and many more...

With all of what Gosho left and never resolved for us, I actually doubt he will remember to reveal everything...

I don't think Gosho has closed the book on these yet. These details are Chekhov's guns, still hanging on the wall and waiting to go off when the time is right. Detective Conan is the type of story where details appear and they aren't explained right away. The purpose is the allow readers who pay close attention and have a long memory to speculate on and solve the mysteries alongside of Conan as the plot progresses. One long term example is Akemi's scientist sister mentioned in chapter 16. That subplot stays unresolved for 175 chapters until Haibara reveals she is the sister in chap 181. Another example is the reason why Akai returned to Japan which he explained enigmatically in chapter 327. We find out about his connection to Akemi far later and it is confirmed in 599, 272 chapters later. I have no doubt there will be an explanation for these examples you noted eventually.

[caribou]

IMO, I don't think that Detective Conan is that sort of fictional anime...... I mean they wouldnt think about immortality and raising dead in such a realistic (other than the shrinking part xD) series. Especially when the most of the anime's murders have the most complex tricks that none of us would imagine (especially the ones that include fishing line  ).... and also, i think that Shiho was already involved in the experiment since her parents started it so she didnt CHOOSE to join, more like she was forced to join.

hmm i agree with that. i think there may be a bit of sci-fi element but i think Gosho will keep the manga as realistic as possible. I just don't think it will end up being about raising the dead cos it will kinda turn DC into a zombie comic. :/ (which also goes against everything Shinichi/Conan believes in, lol) i dont think it will be about the advanced mechatronics cyborg stuff either... I think probably a more subtle kind of fantasy. like something within a person's body/cells, not growing old, and all.

i also thought she was forced to join, but Elena's message seems to say otherwise...cos she questioned Shiho's "decision".

[Abs.]

i also thought she was forced to join, but Elena's message seems to say otherwise...cos she questioned Shiho's "decision".

Right... and whenever it was that Elena made the tapes, she seemed to foresee what Shiho's decision would be.  "Shiho.. About that thing you're going to do.. you won't regret it will you?  If that's the case, Mom totally approves!  I'll always be supporting you, so please give it all that you have."

Granted, even in the original Japanese, there's some ambiguity...

[ranger]

I have to say, the whole Miyano family look nothing alike, lol.

Especially Ai/Shiho, she looks nothing like Akemi and Elena!  Could she be adopted?

[soratothamax]

8) How come the FBI are the only ones conducting an investigation... if they are really an international organization... Surely some other country has figured out the BO exists

Because I believe the BO is an American organization. If it is American, the FBI are left to deal with it. That's why I don't believe the BO boss is in Japan yet. I don't think we know him yet.

As far as Elena goes, Ai is the only one to know about her. Like I've said, I believe there is a lot Ai knows that she hasn't revealed. Even about the BO.....as has been hinted in Meeting with the bO, Conan asked her about it, and she quickly changed the subject.....

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Because I believe the BO is an American organization. If it is American, the FBI are left to deal with it. That's why I don't believe the BO boss is in Japan yet. I don't think we know him yet.

As far as Elena goes, Ai is the only one to know about her. Like I've said, I believe there is a lot Ai knows that she hasn't revealed. Even about the BO.....as has been hinted in Meeting with the bO, Conan asked her about it, and she quickly changed the subject.....

It is likely the Boss is probably Japanese, grew up in Japan, or had Japanese parents, relatives, or spouse as the children's song "Nanatsu no ko" (“Seven children/ Seven year old child”) is not well known elsewhere.
Also the boss probably is in Japan. If you are dialing a foreign country, you need to use an "International Direct Dialing number". For Japan, in order to dial out you may need to input between 3 to 7 extra numbers depending on the phone carrier you use. The number for Nanatsu no ko is too short to accommodate those extra numbers and those numbers also sound nothing like nanatsu no ko. This means the phone number is probably located in Japan.

[caribou]

I have to say, the whole Miyano family look nothing alike, lol.

Especially Ai/Shiho, she looks nothing like Akemi and Elena!  Could she be adopted?

Lol, I thought so too! Maybe Shiho takes after her dad though, we haven't really seen how he looks like (have we)? :/

and yeah, I think the Boss is based in Tottori, since whenever someone makes a call to Tottori (ie. punching in the area code) Conan started thinking of Vermouth.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Speaking of Tottori for some reason I have it in my head that Aoyama Gosho is from Tottori. Is that true?

[Abs.]

Speaking of Tottori for some reason I have it in my head that Aoyama Gosho is from Tottori. Is that true?

THE BOSS IS AOYAMA GOSHO!

...wait, someone said this already.  Damn, beat me to it.



Yeah, it's true.

[caribou]

Speaking of Tottori for some reason I have it in my head that Aoyama Gosho is from Tottori. Is that true?

THE BOSS IS AOYAMA GOSHO!

...wait, someone said this already.  Damn, beat me to it.



Yeah, it's true.

lol no wonder he said that the Boss's name has already been mentioned in the manga! It's on the cover of every fricking volume, all along!!

[kirite]

It's hard to say where the B.O. came from (I think not belonging to a country was the point in having a secret organisation lol).  But yeah I think if anything, the organisation is based in Japan.  The B.O. boss likes to hang around Japan, Vermouth likes to hang around Japan, Gin knows Japanese culture and background for some odd reason, Vodka...well actually all the stupid trigger happy people in the Org seems to know nothing about Japan.

[takiko]

I have to say, the whole Miyano family look nothing alike, lol.

Especially Ai/Shiho, she looks nothing like Akemi and Elena!  Could she be adopted?

Hmm. Yeah. Ai's father is a Japanese, but Shiho doesn't look like a Japanese.

[Abs.]

It's hard to say where the B.O. came from (I think not belonging to a country was the point in having a secret organisation lol).  But yeah I think if anything, the organisation is based in Japan.  The B.O. boss likes to hang around Japan, Vermouth likes to hang around Japan, Gin knows Japanese culture and background for some odd reason, Vodka...well actually all the stupid trigger happy people in the Org seems to know nothing about Japan.

Back in Black Impact, Vermouth mentions something about Vodka needing to learn more about someone's history.  Since she was referring to British history (Hyde Park), whoever she was talking about is British.  I can't figure out who the hell she was referring to, though.

[Abs.]

I have to say, the whole Miyano family look nothing alike, lol.

Especially Ai/Shiho, she looks nothing like Akemi and Elena!  Could she be adopted?

Hmm. Yeah. Ai's father is a Japanese, but Shiho doesn't look like a Japanese.

Shiho says quite plainly that she's half-British, half-Japanese, because her mother was British.

She doesn't say anything about her sister being half-half as well.  Akemi certainly doesn't LOOK half-half (though sometimes it's hard to tell.)

Maybe Akemi's only a half-sister?  Say if Atsushi's first wife died shortly after Akemi was born, and then he married Elena, who raised Akemi as her own daughter, and then they had Shiho?