Dark Contact (700-704) Follow-Up Poll: Who are Okiya and scar Akai?

[FanOfShinichi]

Here's your argument for why Scar Akai is Bourbon: Because he's so quiet that means he's suspicious. Okay, Dr. Araide seemed to talk alot and yet he actually turned out to be Vermouth.

Actually Vermouth can speaks men's voices without any voice-changing gadgets. She mostly disguised as men. I don't think whoever that plays Scar Akai is that good at acting...

[conankun92]

Hi Guys.

I posted this under the translations but I guess this is the more active place.

It's great to see a forum based on one of the best detective manga ever. =). Been a DC fan for some time now.

IMHO,

The Sherlock Holmes that Gin mentioned was referring to Bourbon. This is because Bourbon was described to be quite a detective. And Vermouth apparently received orders from The Boss to not act because Bourbon is apparently still inside.

There's two theories behind the Akai/Okiya case.

One is Okiya being Akai. Akai knows Bourbon is after him, as well as Gin and the BO, therefore he disguises as Okiya and he spotted Bourbon disguising as himself (Akai) in the Bank Robbery Case. Bourbon was probably trying to tempt Akai and the FBI to react by seeing himself as Akai. Okiya, seeing Bourbon realizes this and tracks him down. The fact that Bourbon can recognize Akai according to Gin would also mean that Akai may be able to recognize Bourbon as well. And he probably recognizes Bourbon based on his scar/face. That's why Bourbon knew that Candy was targeting him. Because the Boss had told him earlier obviously. The thing about Okiya quoting the wolves was probably a Sherlock Holmes quote as he did before after the ABC Fire case.

Second theory is the obvious case. Akai being Akai and Okiya being Bourbon.

This is just my assumption guys. =) . I'm no Gosho but being an avid fan for years, he's not one who gives it easy to everyone, noting the Forest case where there was a Shinichi double.

DC Forever!

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

To be blunt, this argument is awful. Akai and Conan formulated a plan to sneak Hidemi back into the org in a way that makes her as least suspicious as possible. Do you think that Akai is going to blow that by wandering around and getting caught by the Org afterwards? While Akai might be reckless, he is not an idiot!

I'm basing my argument off his personality and everything that happened chapters ago. The man has been in the org so you don't you think that he knows their style by now?

Right, and their style was to threaten to shoot Hidemi. Hence he would know it was a dumb idea from the start. If scar Akai was the real thing, he wouldn't have put Hidemi at risk like that since she was almost killed.

It isn't that hard to pretend to be polite especially if your goal is to trick everyone into thinking you are someone else, so your argument hold no water. And Okiya running into Jodie an act of preventing her from getting involved. I am pretty sure I already pointed you to that list of reasons why Okiya is Akai once before...

No, that was for Eisuke.

You are going to have to clarify what that means. If you mean the list of evidence that Okiya is Akai then here it is.

Where's your evidence for him trying to prevent her from getting involved.

(Take that!) I said it above. Okiya knocked Jodie over to prevent her from chasing after the bad agent scar-Shuu and getting into the sniper's line of fire. The real Akai, aka Okiya, also left a message on Jodie's coaster telling her to leave, even though at that point Okiya only knew about the bomb case.

Here's your argument for why Scar Akai is Bourbon: Because he's so quiet that means he's suspicious. Okay, Dr. Araide seemed to talk alot and yet he actually turned out to be Vermouth.
I'm saying that he is secretive and unpredictable so there's no telling what he'll do.
CM
I am in no way doubting that you have an impressive argument but after this chapter I can't help but be suspicious of Okiya once more.

That is part of my argument, not all of it. I also gave a good reason why someone impersonating Akai would be quiet around people who know him; so they don't figure out that his voice doesn't sound like Akai's.  FanOfShinichi and I have pointed that out once already. I can't tell you how to think, I can only point you to arguments that suggest your suspicion is misplaced... cheers!  ;D

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That's why Bourbon knew that Candy was targeting him. Because the Boss had told him earlier obviously. The thing about Okiya quoting the wolves was probably a Sherlock Holmes quote as he did before after the ABC Fire case.

Welcome to the DCTP forum! There is an "introduce yourself thread" somewhere in case you are interested! That is "Chianti" not "Candy" by the way. The spell check did that to me recently when I misspelled Chianti. That reminds me of one person who romanized "Korn" as "Colon." Technically it's correct because l and r are ambiguous and the hard C can be a K, but the result is hilarious. I'm glad the boss didn't choose to name the agents after human anatomy...
As for the wolves quote, I don't think it is a Sherlock quote. It's been a while since I read all of it, but it doesn't bring to mind anything. A search of the literature only found the following quote. That said Okiya might be picking a line out of another famous mystery author's work. I'm not too familiar with most of the others...

"If we take you with us," he said, in solemn words, "it can only be as believers in our own creed. We shall have no wolves in our fold. Better far that your bones should bleach in this wilderness than that you should prove to be that little speck of decay which in time corrupts the whole fruit. Will you come with us on these terms?"

[James Rye]

A lot of peole thnks that Okiya is Akai... The same goes for the german forums.

Wonder if they´ll be right at the end... (hehe, if not, i´ll have a lot of time to enjoy^^)

[AICHAN]

A lot of peole thnks that Okiya is Akai... The same goes for the german forums.

Wonder if they´ll be right at the end... (hehe, if not, i´ll have a lot of time to enjoy^^)

yeah,me too^^

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Kind of old, but apparently I am dumb enough to only realize this now. How did scar Akai get Kogoro's cell phone number? I'm pretty sure that Kogoro's cell phone is a private number and not a business one since Kogoro mentioned not recognizing the address. If it was a business number then Kogoro would have expected numbers he didn't recognize.

If scar Akai is Bourbon, this turn of events is rather frightening. It means Bourbon has done some snooping around Kogoro, perhaps because of the events in the Org vs. the FBI. If Bourbon managed to snoop and not get caught by Conan, then Bourbon is good. Also Bourbon's investigation may still be underway... Now I have to go back and look for people who know Kogoro's cell number like his mahjong friends.

Later edit: Another option I thought of is if somehow Conan's sim card was in his phone while the police had taken it for investigation and scar Akai cloned it while the investigation was underway. However, it seems Conan indeed took his sim card out, so somehow scar Akai must have gotten the number another way.

[Kor]

Kind of old, but apparently I am dumb enough to only realize this now. How did scar Akai get Kogoro's cell phone number?

Doesn't that mean that all of those who didn't realize it, are even dumber? 

[FanOfShinichi]

Kind of old, but apparently I am dumb enough to only realize this now. How did scar Akai get Kogoro's cell phone number?

Doesn't that mean that all of those who didn't realize it, are even dumber? 

Well, Kogoro is really famous, so he must has some kind of hotline or something... 

[Misztina]

Kind of old, but apparently I am dumb enough to only realize this now. How did scar Akai get Kogoro's cell phone number?

Um... assuming that fake scar Akai is a BO member, Kogoro sent an sms(?) with his account number to Rena, so the BO might actually got this info from her cellphone or from herself (File 499). Is this possible?

Or Vermouth got it, she is good in that.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Kind of old, but apparently I am dumb enough to only realize this now. How did scar Akai get Kogoro's cell phone number?

Um... assuming that fake scar Akai is a BO member, Kogoro sent an sms(?) with his account number to Rena, so the BO might actually got this info from her cellphone or from herself (File 499). Is this possible?

Or Vermouth got it, she is good in that.

Good catch with Rena's sms. If I were Bourbon investigating Akai's death, I'd "borrow" her cell phone and copy the numbers. That makes a lot of sense.

[Kor]

If the Akai in 707 is the real one, it looks that like.
Akai - Akai
Okiya - CIA
Scar-Akai-Bourbon (-Vermuth)

It is impossible for scar Akai to be Vermouth. She was near Gin when scar Akai walked out of the store.

[kirhidemi]

But what do you think how the identity of okiya and scar akai will reveal in the anime. Just in episode 345 about vermouth which squeeze for 2.5hrs, clash of red and black series about kir's identity..

[Mizzicco]

Although I'd look forward to any outcome that willl reveal both okiya and scar akai's identities, my opinion is that scar akai is bourbon and that okiya is akai..... i really think so cuz Chekhov MacGuffin's reasoning really convinced me......also when eisuke told conan that depending on  the FBI's mood someone died, conan mysteriously grinned and said its alright. thats one point among many others.....although that opinion doesnt have any conclusive evidence.

[FanOfShinichi]

Okay, NO ONE HAS EVER SAID BEFORE that the Scar Akai that appeared at the bank robbery case and the Scar Akai of this case are the same person. Like Chekhov has said, SC cannot be the real Akai, then we'll think SA (Scar Akai) is someone from the organization, especially Bourbon or Vermouth. But there're two problems:

- Vermouth has appeared the same time with SC (704). Vermouth is the master of disguise, but she still couldn't fool Gin. Do you think that some amateur just disguises as her can be able to do that ? So she must be the REAL Vermouth.

Spoiler:

- But if she's the real Vermouth, then it makes SC Bourbon or somebody else. But that "somebody else", and moreover, Bourbon didn't have any reason to save Conan at that bank. Maybe Vermouth asked him to do that, in order to "pay" for the mask she had made for him. But that's unlikely since it'd reveal Vermouth's not-so-loyal attitude...

So I just come up with some new possibilities:

1. Maybe the first time we saw SC (the bank robbery case), he was Vermouth in disguise. It would make sense why SC saved Conan. And the second time was Bourbon. Why they did that?

Remember, both of them suspected Akai's death. V seems to know about Kir not being loyal, and Bourbon thinks Akai's not really dead. So the best way to check is disguise as Akai in order to see Jodie's attitude. At the bank, seeing Jodie like that, maybe Vermouth was "relieved" that Akai's really dead, and disappeared. But for Bourbon, he still didn't believe it and wanted to check 1 more time.

If that's not the truth, I still highly suspect that Vermouth has something to to with the Okiya - Akai - Bourbon event, seeing her being too suspicious...

Spoiler:

2. This theory is unlikely, but still possible. Both Scar Akais were James. If it's the truth, I don't seem to understand his motive  ???  But if it's not the truth, I still think he might know the truth behind Akai's death.

When Jodie said the man in the car had the same fingerprint with the man that hold Conan's cellphone, James was unbelievably "cold", despite Jodie crying like hell... At least he had to be a little shock after hearing Akai died that easily...

Spoiler:

And one more, NO ONE HAS EVER SAID BEFORE that the one who wrote the "Run, this place is dangerous" message was SC, maybe it was Okiya, seeing Jodie just running around all day to search for Akai.

[soratothamax]

We could either say Goshyo is bad at trying to point us to Bourbon/Okiya to confuse us of the actual person because most don't believe it, or very good at confusing us into not knowing who is who in this case.

In either case, I chose Okiya is someone else, and Akai is Bourbon. I believe we don't know where Akai is at this point.......I believe Okiya is Ai's father! Just a mild wild theory, but okay.....