Ramen so Good (765-???)

[Spiritgal304]

Spoiler:

Btw. I though Conan was fainting, when Takagi got "lighter". XD;

Same here.  I was all... What the?  How can he be...? ooooooh

[ssjup81]

I really really want it to be a suicide attempt gone wrong...or right.  I would go with the barbershop manager guy, but I feel he's too obvious and is a red herring.  

The dude kept randomly going on about, "It'd be funny if someone died from the ramen" and all that more than once, iirc.  Why keep making random declarations like that anyway?

We know the guy was having money troubles (some people would commit suicide for this), and he hated that ramen shop.  Why not kill himself in the shop to give the owner bad publicity?  Two birds with one stone.

I guess, for once, I just want the solution to be a simple one, like in that Kappa case.

Of course, I can change my mind.  I haven't read the second part of this case yet...which I shall go and do right now and see if my view or opinion will change any.

Edit:  Alrighty...so much for suicide, like I was hoping for.  This case has me baffled because of where all the traces of poison was.  I noticed that he touched his handkerchief a lot, but seems it wasn't there.  I still think the barbershop owner is the culprit, though, since the suicide thing is completely out (or is it?). =P  I still want it to be a poisoning gone wrong.

[loicos]

Spoiler chapter 767
http://www.mangahideout.com/content.php ... 7-Spoilers

[doublemoonlight]

Spoiler:

So no BO yet hmmm

[WolfenAmphithere]

@ssjup81: I think the "disappearing" location had something to do with humidity and heat. Anyone who wears glasses every day and has done so for 18 years probably figured out what happened on the last two pages: Conan figured something out after his glasses fogged up when trying to enter the heated shop on that cold day. Kogoro also commented on the haze, so we also know that it was probably somewhat humid.

It is possible to have been a suicide: the poison on his hands was more potent than that on the chopsticks or table, so he likely touched both the table and chopsticks with his already-poisoned fingers. Also note that he didn't touch ANYTHING with those two fingers, except possibly the table depending on the positioning of his fingers, until he grabbed the chopsticks. If he really was ambidextrous, I would think he'd do a bit more than just eat with his left hand. I think he even grabbed his water glass with his right hand at one point! If poison powder was found in his pocket, it's possible that he had placed it there beforehand and then just before entering the shop put his fingers in his pocket to put the poison on them.

Of course, that's all a bit elaborate for a suicide, imo, so my second guess would have to be the barber. They haven't mentioned searching his shop, so it's possible he contaminated the victim's fingers over there and of course tried to dispose of the evidence away from the ramen shop.

[ssjup81]

@ssjup81: I think the "disappearing" location had something to do with humidity and heat. Anyone who wears glasses every day and has done so for 18 years probably figured out what happened on the last two pages: Conan figured something out after his glasses fogged up when trying to enter the heated shop on that cold day. Kogoro also commented on the haze, so we also know that it was probably somewhat humid.

It is possible to have been a suicide: the poison on his hands was more potent than that on the chopsticks or table, so he likely touched both the table and chopsticks with his already-poisoned fingers. Also note that he didn't touch ANYTHING with those two fingers, except possibly the table depending on the positioning of his fingers, until he grabbed the chopsticks. If he really was ambidextrous, I would think he'd do a bit more than just eat with his left hand. I think he even grabbed his water glass with his right hand at one point! If poison powder was found in his pocket, it's possible that he had placed it there beforehand and then just before entering the shop put his fingers in his pocket to put the poison on them.

Of course, that's all a bit elaborate for a suicide, imo, so my second guess would have to be the barber. They haven't mentioned searching his shop, so it's possible he contaminated the victim's fingers over there and of course tried to dispose of the evidence away from the ramen shop.

I've worn glasses for nearly 25 out of my nearly 30 years of existence, and that didn't even fully come to mind for me, but I do feel it's the barbershop owner for some of the things you've said, like how he could've done something there and stuff without anyone being none the wiser.

[WolfenAmphithere]

Maybe you live in a really different climate or something? Or maybe it's just me...

[ssjup81]

Who knows.  I'm trying to think back to times where my glasses have fogged up for some reason, but my mind is coming up blank on anything specific. It has, of course, but I just can't recall what the weather was like when it happened.

[M.A.D]

I think Taninaka the Barber is the culprit and I probably know how he did it. Well, mostly.

Spoiler:

First of all, there had only been 3 places with traces of poison. Saizu's chopsticks, fingers and the table, as seen in Ch766, pg 15, top right panel

Since Saizu never licked his finger, I'm sure that he got the poison to his mouth by biting on his poisoned chopstick, as seen in Ch765, pg 14, bottom right scene. The chopsticks being manually separated is a given, so the poison was either on the chopsticks, or his hand.

There was a trace of poison on the table. If the poison had been on the chopsticks, then Saizu would never have the chance to put his hand back on the table and got it there. So the poison was on Saizu's left hand from the beginning, and had gotten on the table when he sat down in ch765, pg 8, bottom left scene. This also means that the culprit was Taninaka, because he was the only one who got close enough to Saizu before he entered the shop, when he gave Saizu that haircut.

It's relatively safe to put the poison on Saizu's left hand, because he rarely used it for anything except eating. That habit could have been observed easily by either Taninaka or Ogura and taken advantaged of, as a sure-kill way to get Saizu to eat that poison. In this case, putting poison in his pocket was only to make it look like a suicide, because there were only a little of poison was found on two of his fingers, which meant that he didn't touch the larger amount of poison dust in that pocket.

The trick to get Saizu to touch the poison must have had something to do with glasses. To begin with, it's common sense to take off glasses when getting a haircut so as not to obstruct the barber, and for a guy who wears his glasses all the time like Saizu, he's probably near-sighted enough to not notice Taninaka putting poison into his pocket as well as other places. But there are many ways in which Taninaka could have done so that no poison could be found on Saizu's glasses, so this part, I'm not too sure about.

This is a theory I favour:

Since Saizu's glasses were clean of poison, he must have gotten it somewhere else. Possibly Taninaka's own glasses.

As it went, after finishing the haircut, Saizu picked up Taninaka's glasses by (planned) accident. He must use both hands to open the handle to put them on, and his left fingers inevitably touched the left handle of the glasses, which is where the poison was installed. After realizing that he took the wrong glasses, he probably returned them to Tanitnaka who gave him back his own, clean glasses Taninaka could have opened the handles for him, so Saizu only need his usual right hand to put them on.

After this, Taninaka had to follow Saizu quickly because he couldn't let his friend Ogura take the full suspicion when Saizu dies in his store, and also to watch and improvise should Saizu interact with anyone. That happened when Conan asked Saizu for some chopsticks, as Taninaka hastily gave Conan and Kogoro some because he was afraid that Saizu would give poison to the innocent bystanders. But this is probably his downfall, because he had brought the poison glasses along

[WolfenAmphithere]

That makes sense fitting in with my theory, but instead of what I said about it being due to heat/humidity, Conan realized the truth simply because his glasses fogging up made him think of glasses.

[ssjup81]

Hmm, my glasses fogged up today.  It's cold here, so when I came in to the heated room, my glasses fogged up.  Still think it's the barber shop owner, and the theory M.A.D. came up with is very plausible.

[abee94]

Okay... So I got an outline from the raw...

Spoiler: dont open if you don't wanna know!

So apparently the poison was applied on saizu's glasses JUST BEFORE he went into the ramen shop. As he went in, his glass fogged up due to the vapour in the shop. As he wiped the glasses, he, by right, had applied poison on his fingertips. Since that poisoned finger unintentionally touched the indicated places showing poison, so there the poison traces are. As he fell, X(culprit) approached Saizu's body and replaced his poisoned glasses with the actual Saizu's glasses. X was hesitant to hand over the glasses to conan by the way.

So yeah, that's a wild guess according to pictorial sequence of the next chapter but you should know X's identity by now. I don't understand japanese. 

Right... so I was right 

[hgokuh]

Okay... So I got an outline from the raw...

Spoiler: dont open if you don't wanna know!

So apparently the poison was applied on saizu's glasses JUST BEFORE he went into the ramen shop. As he went in, his glass fogged up due to the vapour in the shop. As he wiped the glasses, he, by right, had applied poison on his fingertips. Since that poisoned finger unintentionally touched the indicated places showing poison, so there the poison traces are. As he fell, X(culprit) approached Saizu's body and replaced his poisoned glasses with the actual Saizu's glasses. X was hesitant to hand over the glasses to conan by the way.

So yeah, that's a wild guess according to pictorial sequence of the next chapter but you should know X's identity by now. I don't understand japanese. 

Right... so I was right 

I´m not reading it, so I don´t know the whole story, but what you wrote there, isn´t that like very unlikely to go right? I mean, common, the killer needs all the luck in the world for that to work!

[abee94]

I´m not reading it, so I don´t know the whole story, but what you wrote there, isn´t that like very unlikely to go right? I mean, common, the killer needs all the luck in the world for that to work!

It was probably planned and it was a cold day. When cold meets heat vapor, it condenses on glass surface. Somewhat that part was mentioned in the "spoiler". And it's not like you're gonna continue walk in when you cannot see what's up with your foggy glass... you will have to wipe it somehow. and hand contact is unevitable.

So the culprit obtained the victim's glasses during a "grooming process" the victim underwent before coming (normal procedure) and, I dunno replaced the glasses or spread the poison on the glasses, as soon as Saizu collapsed, he changed his glasses when he squat next to him. I think those poison traces wasn't planned and it was just pure unfortunate that he could not dispose of the victim's glasses.

BY the way, these are just conclusions according how the pictures in the "spoiler" goes... so~~ I may be wrong interpreting it...

[junk]

Somehow I think the motive is just lame. I thought the culprit had some grudge against the real estate president.