Ai + Conan

[Xela]

He ran immediately to the bar without the police or telling anyone at all, all alone by himself, he didn´t even had his gun loaded... and he was hyping confident that he can deal with them! 8)

So what?:o 8)

Now imagine what would happen when Ai told him what she knows... DC would end with all dead and Conan last sentence would be:
*But...justice..is..immortal!* (ok, that´s the phrase from the president from Onidere, but you get the idea )

I don´t get what you´re trying to say with this.

[TheBlind]

He ran immediately to the bar without the police or telling anyone at all, all alone by himself, he didn´t even had his gun loaded... and he was hyping confident that he can deal with them! 8)

So what?:o 8)

Now imagine what would happen when Ai told him what she knows... DC would end with all dead and Conan last sentence would be:
*But...justice..is..immortal!* (ok, that´s the phrase from the president from Onidere, but you get the idea )

I don´t get what you´re trying to say with this.

First one means Conan went into the situation confident but in reality his confidence blinded him to the fact that he was unprepared and underestimated the situation.(Assuming he's talking about the locker event).

Second one means that every time Conan gets a good lead on the B.O. he comes up with a crazy plan that results in him barely surviving it, let alone him catching anyone( )-(The locker, Vermouth, the party(actually placed Haibara in harms way with this one), Kir, & etc). So imagine if Ai gave him all the information she knows, probably result in another over confident plan which would end in everyone around him getting killed.

[AICHAN]

He ran immediately to the bar without the police or telling anyone at all, all alone by himself, he didn´t even had his gun loaded... and he was hyping confident that he can deal with them! 8)

So what?:o 8)

Now imagine what would happen when Ai told him what she knows... DC would end with all dead and Conan last sentence would be:
*But...justice..is..immortal!* (ok, that´s the phrase from the president from Onidere, but you get the idea )

I don´t get what you´re trying to say with this.

First one means Conan went into the situation confident but in reality his confidence blinded him to the fact that he was unprepared and underestimated the situation.(Assuming he's talking about the locker event).

Second one means that every time Conan gets a good lead on the B.O. he comes up with a crazy plan that results in him barely surviving it, let alone him catching anyone( )-(The locker, Vermouth, the party(actually placed Haibara in harms way with this one), Kir, & etc). So imagine if Ai gave him all the information she knows, probably result in another over confident plan which would end in everyone around him getting killed.

i think it's exactly what James wanted to say!!very good explanation

@xela:we can't ignore the fact that conan can do reckless and dangerous things sometimes (but he always manage to escape from dangerous situations )

[Eve]

He ran immediately to the bar without the police or telling anyone at all, all alone by himself, he didn´t even had his gun loaded... and he was hyping confident that he can deal with them! 8)

So what?:o 8)

Now imagine what would happen when Ai told him what she knows... DC would end with all dead and Conan last sentence would be:
*But...justice..is..immortal!* (ok, that´s the phrase from the president from Onidere, but you get the idea )

I don´t get what you´re trying to say with this.

First one means Conan went into the situation confident but in reality his confidence blinded him to the fact that he was unprepared and underestimated the situation.(Assuming he's talking about the locker event).

Second one means that every time Conan gets a good lead on the B.O. he comes up with a crazy plan that results in him barely surviving it, let alone him catching anyone( )-(The locker, Vermouth, the party(actually placed Haibara in harms way with this one), Kir, & etc). So imagine if Ai gave him all the information she knows, probably result in another over confident plan which would end in everyone around him getting killed.

Couldn't have said it better ^_^

[Xela]

@xela:we can't ignore the fact that conan can do reckless and dangerous things sometimes (but he always manage to escape from dangerous situations )

I´m not ignoring facts, I just wondered how and why exactly this got turned into the "Why Ai is better than Conan"-thread. Don´t get me wrong, I like both these characters and of course AiCon, but it seems to me that this thread went from a discussion about AiCon to one about only Ai to one about how Conan would be so screwed without her.
I´m usually not one to to complain, but I think I can at least voice my opinion.

[kkslider5552000]

how Conan would be so screwed without her.

character: maybe/probably because she is the one trying to make the antidote.

show: without a doubt. Detective Conan went from a great anime to an amazing anime the moment Haibara was introduced. (and Haibara is the best character ever too)

This has nothing to do with the main topic. But that hasn't stopped me before. 

[TheBlind]

@xela:we can't ignore the fact that conan can do reckless and dangerous things sometimes (but he always manage to escape from dangerous situations )

I´m not ignoring facts, I just wondered how and why exactly this got turned into the "Why Ai is better than Conan"-thread. Don´t get me wrong, I like both these characters and of course AiCon, but it seems to me that this thread went from a discussion about AiCon to one about only Ai to one about how Conan would be so screwed without her.
I´m usually not one to to complain, but I think I can at least voice my opinion.

I kinda felt this is what you were hinting at with your original questions but I didn't want to put words in your mouth. Well now that we are here, speaking only for myself, I think you are confusing a few things here. The first would be is that I don't think no one is trashing on Conan but merely talking about his Achilles heel. It's the only weakness that he has and the only thing that stops him from being a Mary Sue, so you can't really get upset when people start pointing it out, like pointing out the stripes on a zebra.

Second thing would be is Conan is useless without Haibara. Not sure if anyone said that but that is not the case as Conan was doing just fine for 125+ episodes before Ai showed up.  What people are agreeing upon is that Ai is practicing good judgment on which things she can and cannot tell Conan about the B.O. And it's also a two way street as Conan has done the same with Haibara about the FBI/B.O./cases. Gives the both characters a better sense of realism since in life there are things we just have to put in our back pockets and not tell our friends for their own good.

[James Rye]

He ran immediately to the bar without the police or telling anyone at all, all alone by himself, he didn´t even had his gun loaded... and he was hyping confident that he can deal with them! 8)

So what?:o 8)

Now imagine what would happen when Ai told him what she knows... DC would end with all dead and Conan last sentence would be:
*But...justice..is..immortal!* (ok, that´s the phrase from the president from Onidere, but you get the idea )

I don´t get what you´re trying to say with this.

@xela:we can't ignore the fact that conan can do reckless and dangerous things sometimes (but he always manage to escape from dangerous situations )

I´m not ignoring facts, I just wondered how and why exactly this got turned into the "Why Ai is better than Conan"-thread. Don´t get me wrong, I like both these characters and of course AiCon, but it seems to me that this thread went from a discussion about AiCon to one about only Ai to one about how Conan would be so screwed without her.
I´m usually not one to to complain, but I think I can at least voice my opinion.

*read the quotes, is already in a baaaaad mood cause one of his storys got RIPPED OFF, eats a lot of Gin, Wodka and Vermouth cookies*

Okay, ALEX!
Where. The. Hell. Did. I. Wrote. About. Conan(Shinichi). Beeing. Screwed. Without. Her. Or. That. Ai. Is. Better. Than. Him!!!!!
YOU`RE TALKING ABOUT MY FAVORITE NR ONE CHARA; DAMN IT! Okok, he share this place with Ai, but only cause i can´t decide between them.
I just wrote that he´s a bit reckless (expectley at the beginning, now its better, he´s learning^^) and i JOKED about it what would happen when he get to know the infos Ai PROBABLY knows. LOOK AT THIS SENTENCE!

*But...justice..is..immortal!* (ok, that´s the phrase from the president from Onidere, but you get the idea )

A JOKE!!! Do i need to wirite it out? A-J-O-K-E!

I NEVER said that Ai is better then Conan and I hyping will never do that!
BOTh have their faults, obvious faults, hidden faults but they´re CHANGING, they are LEARING from each other, they are god-damn great charas on their own and when they have the same panel, the same screen, they hyping POWNED all other charas in DC! 8) 8) 8)

I DIDN`T done badly Conan and i also won´t do that with Ai! Maybe with Ran when someone really gets on my nerve, but that´s not the topic here...
I will critizie them, say my own media-hyped-up opinion about them, but i will NEVER allowed it that someone said to me, i would talk BADLY about my fave charas! DONT! PUT! WORDS! IN! MY! MOUTH!

*eats a lot of Ai, Conan, Ran, DBs and Akai (The sonder edition with a cig!) cookies and feels a lot better now after his rant*

What?
Why are you looking at me like that?
Did...i said something weird back then when i lost my mind...?

how Conan would be so screwed without her.

character: maybe/probably because she is the one trying to make the antidote.

show: without a doubt. Detective Conan went from a great anime to an amazing anime the moment Haibara was introduced. (and Haibara is the best character ever too)

This has nothing to do with the main topic. But that hasn't stopped me before.  :D

With Conan we have an great sauce, but with Ai together we get an AWESOME sauce.Thoses two just have the best flavour.^g^
We all love Conan! Most of us do the same with Ai!
So just let the party starting. 8)
I HAVE COOKIES!

@xela:we can't ignore the fact that conan can do reckless and dangerous things sometimes (but he always manage to escape from dangerous situations )

I´m not ignoring facts, I just wondered how and why exactly this got turned into the "Why Ai is better than Conan"-thread. Don´t get me wrong, I like both these characters and of course AiCon, but it seems to me that this thread went from a discussion about AiCon to one about only Ai to one about how Conan would be so screwed without her.
I´m usually not one to to complain, but I think I can at least voice my opinion.

I kinda felt this is what you were hinting at with your original questions but I didn't want to put words in your mouth. Well now that we are here, speaking only for myself, I think you are confusing a few things here. The first would be is that I don't think no one is trashing on Conan but merely talking about his Achilles heel. It's the only weakness that he has and the only thing that stops him from being a Mary Sue, so you can't really get upset when people start pointing it out, like pointing out the stripes on a zebra.

Second thing would be is Conan is useless without Haibara. Not sure if anyone said that but that is not the case as Conan was doing just fine for 125+ episodes before Ai showed up.  What people are agreeing upon is that Ai is practicing good judgment on which things she can and cannot tell Conan about the B.O. And it's also a two way street as Conan has done the same with Haibara about the FBI/B.O./cases. Gives the both characters a better sense of realism since in life there are things we just have to put in our back pockets and not tell our friends for their own good.

Damn...after reading your post i feel like a child... a 20 year old child... -_-"
Whatever, i feel better now.
You know i was only joking, Xela. No mean blood between us, ok honey?^^°

[Eve]

Ai-chan is giving out cookies... ^_^ Let's keep this a calm debate ^_^

Spoiler:

*And vote in the Gender Pol!!!!* LOL

Spoiler:

It's funny how I searched "Cookie and detective conan" in google image and it came up with James Rye  Avatar

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&h ... 54&ndsp=18

[James Rye]

Ai-chan is giving out cookies... ^_^ Let's keep this a calm debate ^_^

Spoiler:

*And vote in the Gender Pol!!!!* LOL

Spoiler:

It's funny how I searched "Cookie and detective conan" in google image and it came up with James Rye  Avatar

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&h ... 54&ndsp=18

Mine! m cookie! My precioussss... *imitates Golloums voice*

You´re right, lets have a cool debate with something near as a niveau.^^

And your spoiler: OO

kirite, you were right: Google is humans enemy, they know EVERYTHING about you! *DUNdundundunDUN*
Btw: ROFL!!!
Thx for this laugh, Eve. It´s ok when i call you like that?

[Eve]

Ai-chan is giving out cookies... ^_^ Let's keep this a calm debate ^_^

Spoiler:

*And vote in the Gender Pol!!!!* LOL

Spoiler:

It's funny how I searched "Cookie and detective conan" in google image and it came up with James Rye  Avatar

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&h ... 54&ndsp=18

Mine! m cookie! My precioussss... *imitates Golloums voice*

You´re right, lets have a cool debate with something near as a niveau.^^

And your spoiler: OO

kirite, you were right: Google is humans enemy, they know EVERYTHING about you! *DUNdundundunDUN*
Btw: ROFL!!!
Thx for this laugh, Eve. It´s ok when i call you like that?

Calling me "Eve" is fine ^_^

See? It's good to laugh ^_^

[ranger]

*munches on a cookie

ahem.... um, back on topic

AI and CONAN FOREVVAAAAAAAAA

[soratothamax]

@xela:we can't ignore the fact that conan can do reckless and dangerous things sometimes (but he always manage to escape from dangerous situations )

I´m not ignoring facts, I just wondered how and why exactly this got turned into the "Why Ai is better than Conan"-thread. Don´t get me wrong, I like both these characters and of course AiCon, but it seems to me that this thread went from a discussion about AiCon to one about only Ai to one about how Conan would be so screwed without her.
I´m usually not one to to complain, but I think I can at least voice my opinion.

Well, because we are talking about Ai and Conan, it doesn't really matter what we say about them. It is not off-topic to talk about the two of them, whether you agree with the relationship, or not, or what is going on in their relationship, which includes the topic at hand. Ai and Conan's relationship is just that: Ai is hiding more from Conan about the BO more than likely to protect him from getting involved further, and from acting recklessly. Now if this topic had been about someone else, it would be different...

Anyway, he is careless. But Shinichi has always lived a perfect life. He doesn't know hardships. This is the hardest thing he's ever had to go through. So when Ai tells him he'll be in danger and that the org is not something easily broken, he disregards the warnings.

Shinichi reminds me of my father.....they were even born on the same day.....My father loved to be in the spotlight. Very vain man.....

Anyway, I feel that Conan isn't that noticeable in the organization. The BO doesn't really know he exists, rather they do, but don't see him as a threat. The only one who does is Vermouth. But Shinichi is forcing himself to be involved so he could be the "hero" and take down the BO, which he's finding out the situation isn't as easy to handle as it is regular crimes on the street. Sherry is a main target of the BO, so her life is more at stake, she has more to worry about, and she knows what the BO is capable of doing. I even think she was involved in some acts of murder......

In other words, Conan/Shinichi is experienced with handling the average criminal, which makes him so good at cases. But the BO isn't an average criminal organization. There are investigators, scientists, assassins, etc in the BO, and the organization has members around the world! They are pretty good at what they do. If they have the FBI following them that means they have American connections. I even think they have a facility in America, due to Haibara being sent there. Conan/Shinichi can never truly understand how deep this org is... So as far as the BO is concerned, Haibara has more experience from being in the BO, and for thinking like a criminal. In this situation, she has the most wisdom about whats going on here. Even if Conan/Shinichi is pretty smart, and pays attention to details to BUST the org, he can never truly catch them alone.....if this makes sense.

[AICHAN]

Ai-chan is giving out cookies... ^_^ Let's keep this a calm debate ^_^

Spoiler:

*And vote in the Gender Pol!!!!* LOL

Spoiler:

It's funny how I searched "Cookie and detective conan" in google image and it came up with James Rye  Avatar

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&h ... 54&ndsp=18

Mine! m cookie! My precioussss... *imitates Golloums voice*

You´re right, lets have a cool debate with something near as a niveau.^^

And your spoiler: OO

kirite, you were right: Google is humans enemy, they know EVERYTHING about you! *DUNdundundunDUN*
Btw: ROFL!!!
Thx for this laugh, Eve. It´s ok when i call you like that?

Calling me "Eve" is fine ^_^

See? It's good to laugh ^_^

you're right Eve! things are better when we take it with humor!
ok this topic seems to  be calm now,it was just a misunderstanding about a joke but it doesn't matter

personally i like both conan and ai,i don't think that haibara is better than conan but they both have defaults ,and it's interesting to point these defaults and explain our point of view!

it's just  that conan would put himself into more dangerous situation if haibara said too much things about BO(and at the same time ,haibara would worry a lot if conan said to her all the thigs he knows about FBI/BO,bourbon...) !

which make this couple even more interesting,they understand each other so well that they know when they have to keep a secret ,to protect each other!

[Eve]

you're right Eve! things are better when we take it with humor!
ok this topic seems to  be calm now,it was just a misunderstanding about a joke but it doesn't matter

personally i like both conan and ai,i don't think that haibara is better than conan but they both have defaults ,and it's interesting to point these defaults and explain our point of view!

it's just  that conan would put himself into more dangerous situation if haibara said too much things about BO(and at the same time ,haibara would worry a lot if conan said to her all the thigs he knows about FBI/BO,bourbon...) !

which make this couple even more interesting,they understand each other so well that they know when they have to keep a secret ,to protect each other!

YAY!!!!!! *tally marks cuz I don't get "You're right, Eve" Often ^_^*

I totally understand what you mean ^_^

Conan and Ai seriously have good chemistry, even when they fight ^_^

Here's my favorite clip ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSHBtJCaf1Q