The Waiting for Gosho to Collect Evidence Topic

[Jd-]

If you're gonna try to reply with "WELL YOUR OPINION SUCKS TOO SO THERE", at least use better examples (like the rant I made about that Haunted Apartment case recently?)

Oh, no. I never meant to imply anything like, "WELL YOUR OPINION SUCKS TOO SO THERE". I was referring solely to yours. Apologies for the confusion.

In all seriousness: Movie 14 is a prime example if you don't mind my saying. Your hatred of the Haunted case is unwarranted, but I already have discussed that in its topic. You're entitled to your opinion, even if it isn't based on much.

Also take note that I specifically evaluated your two examples of exemplary cases to point out to you just how far apart they normally are. The usual run-of-the-mill, take-them-or-leave-them cases are plentiful. The good ones I referred to being annual that remind us why we got hooked on this show in the first place? Not nearly as much.

[mangaluva]

I wouldn't midn DC being long-running if there was a higher ratio of plot to filler. As it is, it feels excessively drawn-out.

[Wakarimashita]

Those long suspenseful cases which got some of us hooked to this show have always been made about twice a year. Gosho has always done small cases in a coffeshop, in an onsen, in the middle of the city, near the beach...I understand that the amount of those cases can be discouraging at one point, but that doesn't make the more recent "small cases" any lamer.

What I think Gosho should really bring back are the "the characters are stranded and the police can't come" cases with multiple murders. They don't even have to be bloody, it's mostly a matter of atmosphere. When was the last case like that ?

[sstimson]

What I think Gosho should really bring back are the "the characters are stranded and the police can't come" cases with multiple murders. They don't even have to be bloody, it's mostly a matter of atmosphere. When was the last case like that ?

Isn't that a little cliche. Must give credit to when cases are not cliche.

[Jd-]

Those long suspenseful cases which got some of us hooked to this show have always been made about twice a year. Gosho has always done small cases in a coffeshop, in an onsen, in the middle of the city, near the beach...I understand that the amount of those cases can be discouraging at one point, but that doesn't make the more recent "small cases" any lamer.

What I think Gosho should really bring back are the "the characters are stranded and the police can't come" cases with multiple murders. They don't even have to be bloody, it's mostly a matter of atmosphere. When was the last case like that ?

This is what I've been saying for AGES. I even made a post about it recently, but it's the same thing I've said 500 times:

There is no adventure left in the series.

Almost every case is in a bland Tokyo apartment or office building, where all of the danger is long gone by the time Conan gets involved. The ADVENTURE we used to have of them being isolated and on their own to stop the criminal and being in actual peril? Yeah, it's been years. Over five?

The last one I can remember of them being cut off was 481-482... except there was no danger at all. They got in touch with Yamamura in about ten seconds and that was that. It was a great set up for them to be away from civilization and at the mercy of the killer, but nope.

[Wakarimashita]

What I think Gosho should really bring back are the "the characters are stranded and the police can't come" cases with multiple murders. They don't even have to be bloody, it's mostly a matter of atmosphere. When was the last case like that ?

Isn't that a little cliche. Must give credit to when cases are not cliche.

Perhaps, but if the case is thrilling and well thought, the reader forgets that easily.

[mangaluva]

What I think Gosho should really bring back are the "the characters are stranded and the police can't come" cases with multiple murders. They don't even have to be bloody, it's mostly a matter of atmosphere. When was the last case like that ?

Isn't that a little cliche. Must give credit to when cases are not cliche.

Perhaps, but if the case is thrilling and well thought, the reader forgets that easily.

Besides, there's a reason cliches become cliches; they're good enough to bear repeating, and I think the dangerous, atmospheric case is definately good enough to crop up more often.

[Wakarimashita]

Those long suspenseful cases which got some of us hooked to this show have always been made about twice a year. Gosho has always done small cases in a coffeshop, in an onsen, in the middle of the city, near the beach...I understand that the amount of those cases can be discouraging at one point, but that doesn't make the more recent "small cases" any lamer.

What I think Gosho should really bring back are the "the characters are stranded and the police can't come" cases with multiple murders. They don't even have to be bloody, it's mostly a matter of atmosphere. When was the last case like that ?

This is what I've been saying for AGES. I even made a post about it recently, but it's the same thing I've said 500 times:

There is no adventure left in the series.

Almost every case is in a bland Tokyo apartment or office building, where all of the danger is long gone by the time Conan gets involved. The ADVENTURE we used to have of them being isolated and on their own to stop the criminal and being in actual peril? Yeah, it's been years. Over five?

The last one I can remember of them being cut off was 481-482... except there was no danger at all. They got in touch with Yamamura in about ten seconds and that was that. It was a great set up for them to be away from civilization and at the mercy of the killer, but nope.

I could not agree more, those "adventure cases" are usually among the best ones combining thrill shock and suspense. The Demon Dog Case also had that potential, which was unfortunately not fully exploited with the police's arrival (once again). We can only hope that Gosho will suddenly decide to go back to those.

[Dus]

Using the most recent manga case as an example what is so bad at the kind of cases we currently get:

- No real story advancement
- No suspense. Conan was under no pressure the solve this case, he just did it for the sake of completion.
- No interesting characters. This has always been the bane of DC - the arcs don't last long enough for us to get emotionally involved with the characters.
- Run-of-the-mill scenario. Someone dies, police arrives, Conan darts someone and solves the case. Yay.
- Stupid solution. Ideally you should have a "damn, why didn't I think of that" moment when reading the solution to a case. And if even Chekhov feels that the case was insolvable for the reader, then there's clearly something wrong.

The only redeeming feature was the interaction between Sonoko and Ran at the very beginning. But such moments are also few and far between.

[sstimson]

A case of current cases are cliches and the good cases are cliches.

Spoiler:

Though IMO the upcoming cases of  Demon Dog ( Multi Murder ), and London ( Timed Bomb ) are better and yet as the same time not cliches

[Jd-]

Spoiler:

Though IMO the upcoming cases of  Demon Dog ( Multi Murder ), and London ( Timed Bomb ) are better and yet as the same time not cliches

Spoiler:

I disagree with the latter. Entirely. Remove the inch-by-inch Shinichi & Ran moments and it would be considered one of the most drawn out cases in the history of the series and universally panned. Essentially, I'm saying the mystery of that case was rubbish and just not worth it (I also wasn't a fan of the "ShinRan!1!!111" moments in it, either, but that's not really of concern here).

[Dus]

A) No need for spoilers in here.
B) The mystery wasn't that bad, but I expected a lot more since Gosho deemed it necessary to go abroad for that one.
C) Even the ShinRan moments were terrible
D) Gaping plot holes which I somehow doubt will ever get solved

[sstimson]

Spoiler:

Though IMO the upcoming cases of  Demon Dog ( Multi Murder ), and London ( Timed Bomb ) are better and yet as the same time not cliches

Spoiler:

I disagree with the latter. Entirely. Remove the inch-by-inch Shinichi & Ran moments and it would be considered one of the most drawn out cases in the history of the series and universally panned. Essentially, I'm saying the mystery of that case was rubbish and just not worth it (I also wasn't a fan of the "ShinRan!1!!111" moments in it, either, but that's not really of concern here).

Spoiler:

Not completely disagreeing, I said that because of a what if. What if Conan was not able to find and stop the bomber in time. I know he always does, But bear with me. Then A bomb goes off at Wimbledon, and we get multi murder again. Plus the must be done before time runs out, and Yes a Time bomb set to go off during the match would have added more suspense

@dus. Since the case has not come out as a anime, that why I using spoilers

[Wakarimashita]

Spoiler:

Though IMO the upcoming cases of  Demon Dog ( Multi Murder ), and London ( Timed Bomb ) are better and yet as the same time not cliches

Spoiler:

I disagree with the latter. Entirely. Remove the inch-by-inch Shinichi & Ran moments and it would be considered one of the most drawn out cases in the history of the series and universally panned. Essentially, I'm saying the mystery of that case was rubbish and just not worth it (I also wasn't a fan of the "ShinRan!1!!111" moments in it, either, but that's not really of concern here).

Spoiler:

I didn't think it was that terrible, I'm expecting it to be far worse dragging wise in the anime. And above all we'll probably get a month of AOs after it's over.  :-\

[ProfParanoia]

B) The mystery wasn't that bad, but I expected a lot more since Gosho deemed it necessary to go abroad for that one.
C) Even the ShinRan moments were terrible

Spoiler:

B) And necessary to openly break the law.
C) And nobody love ShinRan more then Dus