The Waiting for Gosho to Collect Evidence Topic

[kkslider5552000]

I doubt he's enjoying writing it anymore.

everyone stopped reading after this

thanks for playing

[Jd-]

I doubt he's enjoying writing it anymore.

everyone stopped reading after this

I didn't, cause I happen to think it's true.

[Wakarimashita]

The man deserves breaks, especially since he's writing a manga with about 2 or 3 times as much text as the other long-running shônens.

As for Gosho not enjoying what he's doing anymore, I don't think it's the case. When is his contract suppose to end anyway ?

[Jd-]

As for Gosho not enjoying what he's doing anymore, I don't think it's the case. When is his contract suppose to end anyway ?

I haven't seen anything "inspired" come out of Gosho's camp in quite a while, personally speaking (certainly not on the level it once was). Much of the time, he's dialing it in these days.

I don't think Gosho has a "contract" to work under in the usual sense. There is enormous pressure and many, many, many jobs on the line for him to continue. If Conan ends, the animation staffs responsible for the movies and the anime would eventually be moved to other, less demanding projects and people would lose their jobs. Many people assume the movies will go on indefinitely after it's over, but that's just not going to happen. While I do think in recent years they have done everything they can to run the series into the ground (from the budget animation to some of the recent movie output), it would be far worse without a weekly anime and manga to substantiate the costs involved. The anime and manga running year-round are invaluable advertisements for the movies, and I guarantee you that--without Black Org. gimmicks ala Movie 13--the numbers would drop right off the map the second those two things end and (should) the movies continue.

In short, Gosho knows there's a lot on his shoulders to keep this moving. He has absolutely no plans to end it within the next five years--I guarantee it. We're going through the "TV & Movie" 15th anniversary (even though it's not quite accurate) right now, and in 5 years we'll be seeing the 20th.

[Dus]

Truer words have seldom been spoken.

Gosho's stories have been perfunctionary for quite a while now, the manga is just not as engrossing any more and the slow pace at which the story is progressing is at least partly due to editors focing Gosho to prolong the story.

[mangaluva]

I really wish DC wasn't being strung out so much. Complex story is cool, but not when it's happening ONCE A YEAR. It's getting outright ridiculous and degrading a good series.

[Wakarimashita]

On the long term,  the mystery genre may not be adapted to such a fast pace in terms of publication.

I agree Gosho's work was globally better back in the days, however I think he's still doing quite well for a man who has had to publish a mystery file almost every week for the past 17 years, and I find some of his work still quite inspired (the Demon Dog Case for example).

I'm among those who think they'll continue making movies after the manga ends (if it does). Heck I wouldn't be surprised if they continued the anime as well, making anime originals only. And I'm pretty sure the anime would remain in the top 10 if ever that were the case. And I agree with you, we've probably got another 5-10 - or maybe more - years to come.

[Jd-]

And I'm pretty sure the anime would remain in the top 10 if ever that were the case.

Not even oblivious family viewers that keep the show in the top 10 right now will be able to ignore the absurd drop off in quality that would come out of that. Instead of a bad episode every three weeks, you'd have a bad episode... every week.

[kkslider5552000]

Much of the time, he's dialing it in these days.

no that was the majority of the Eisuke arc. At least in this arc half of the characters haven't been written without any character/ignored for no reason and there actually feels like there is some creativity in the cases at times (also there's occasionally something really great like the Red Wall or Haunted Warehouse cases (even if neither are quite at the level of say, Furinkazan or the earliest cases)).

I find it hard to believe he's dialing it in when he has more time to work on each case than he ever has. If you think Gosho's lost his touch (which I can definitely see at times), I think it's because he genuinely believes he is still as good as he once was at detective cases. (if he's seen enough AOs by comparison especially :V) I honestly wonder if he should have slowly transitioned away from the series having cases as often as it has, but that's a discussion for another time.

I don't think Gosho has a "contract" to work under in the usual sense. There is enormous pressure and many, many, many jobs on the line for him to continue. If Conan ends, the animation staffs responsible for the movies and the anime would eventually be moved to other, less demanding projects and people would lose their jobs.

Maybe. But I've seen a series go on with or without the original creator/s (see: DBGT) all the time. I think Gosho is a smart person and would know that. (and sure, you could argue he wouldn't want that to happen to his series but it already has with AOs and movies...)

I just don't know why we are so quickly assuming this in a world where George Lucas still thinks he can make good movies.

I can easily see them getting to the anime's 20th anniversary but even if Gosho had some minor plot development in every case for now on, well there was a lot of stuff in that "plot that still needs to be explained" topic. There's plenty of interesting plot ideas that could be explored just once as well (kinda like the Ran thinks Kid is Shinichi subplot in the latest movie for example) I could see it lasting that long without anymore filler. (especially with Gosho's classic "post-important plot case where Conan discusses the current plot with Agasa or Haibara and then a case happens case")

Granted, it's likely I'll completely change my mind if Gosho waits even 1/2 of the amount of time to do plot development ever again since the pace really needs to pick up (at least to the Vermouth arc levels, if not much quicker) once this Bourbon stuff is over.

Not even oblivious family viewers that keep the show in the top 10 right now will be able to ignore the absurd drop off in quality that would come out of that. Instead of a bad episode every three weeks, you'd have a bad episode... every week.

I dunno. Unfortunately, it seems like the ratings go up usually when the quality is down and having an episode every week increases ratings and it has absolutely nothing to do with actual quality. Even if it sucked every week, I genuinely believe people would watch it. Because people are stupid.

[Wakarimashita]

There really isn't any correlation between the quality of an episode and its ratings. Hence oblivious family viewers would continue watching, not because they're stupid, but because they're not otakus who analyse every single episode like we do.  :P

[mangaluva]

..I just don't know why we are so quickly assuming this in a world where George Lucas still thinks he can make good movies...

High-five please!

People will keep watching it, though, because if you ever loved a show you'll often keep watching it just because you love certain characters and long for them to appear, or you're forever hopeful that it'll return to its former glory. This is the only reason that I can think of that I watched Scrubs: Med School (being cancelled at the end of its only season, thank crap) or that I still watch The Simpsons. Sometimes, I feel like it's the only reason I still read DC... That and the DCTP forums XD

[Jd-]

no that was the majority of the Eisuke arc. At least in this arc half of the characters haven't been written without any character/ignored for no reason and there actually feels like there is some creativity in the cases at times (also there's occasionally something really great like the Red Wall or Haunted Warehouse cases (even if neither are quite at the level of say, Furinkazan or the earliest cases)).

I find it hard to believe he's dialing it in when he has more time to work on each case than he ever has. If you think Gosho's lost his touch (which I can definitely see at times), I think it's because he genuinely believes he is still as good as he once was at detective cases. (if he's seen enough AOs by comparison especially :V) I honestly wonder if he should have slowly transitioned away from the series having cases as often as it has, but that's a discussion for another time.

The "majority of the Eisuke arc" was far more eventful than what we're going through now. That actually had a ring of depth to it. Here, we figured it out the second it went down (spoilers: the body they found was Rikumichi's). There's no real suspense here anymore--most of us are just waiting for him to get this storyline over with so we can move onto something we haven't already solved front to back. There's no character in this arc, though--I have no idea where you're getting that. Unless you mean they feel overly familiar because they're just recostumed from ones we knew in the past. If that's the case, absolutely!

The occasional good case annually can't make up for the many in between that simply are not up to par. I enjoyed Fuurinkazan as much as the next guy and had a joy working on it when it aired (the DCTV premiere of it was fantastic, speaking of), but... that was in November. Of 2008. The Red Wall case was all right if not a little drawn out... in December. 2009. Are we really only going to be subjected to one good case a year? Keep in mind that these come a year before in the manga, which makes it worse in a way.

Having more time has obviously not resulted in greater quality, so I don't think that logic follows your conclusion. If we were going by that, maybe he's taking "longer" (although he really isn't; the many "breaks" are a misconception by people simply because they are experiencing these firsthand whereas they arrived too late for the others) because he's so tired of it. It's not the case, but that's the direction you should have gone with that.

The series doesn't need less cases. It needs better ones. Next question.

Maybe. But I've seen a series go on with or without the original creator/s (see: DBGT) all the time. I think Gosho is a smart person and would know that. (and sure, you could argue he wouldn't want that to happen to his series but it already has with AOs and movies...)

I just don't know why we are so quickly assuming this in a world where George Lucas still thinks he can make good movies.

I can easily see them getting to the anime's 20th anniversary but even if Gosho had some minor plot development in every case for now on, well there was a lot of stuff in that "plot that still needs to be explained" topic. There's plenty of interesting plot ideas that could be explored just once as well (kinda like the Ran thinks Kid is Shinichi subplot in the latest movie for example) I could see it lasting that long without anymore filler. (especially with Gosho's classic "post-important plot case where Conan discusses the current plot with Agasa or Haibara and then a case happens case")

Granted, it's likely I'll completely change my mind if Gosho waits even 1/2 of the amount of time to do plot development ever again since the pace really needs to pick up (at least to the Vermouth arc levels, if not much quicker) once this Bourbon stuff is over.

Gosho is in it for the money at this point, but not just his. It's that of everyone else involved too. "DBGT" is apparently considered dreadful according to someone on the staff I just asked, but I've never seen it myself. If it's as bad as is said, Conan deserves to be shot before it amounts to that.

In other words: There's a time to end everything. Just because something can go on does not mean it should.

No one ever said Conan could not continue on those grounds. George Lucas is one of the richest men in the entertainment industry--he could make Gosho his butler if he wanted. I will say that Episode II was better than a portion of the Conan movies. That much is certain. That had a plot that didn't involve pirates.

I dunno. Unfortunately, it seems like the ratings go up usually when the quality is down and having an episode every week increases ratings and it has absolutely nothing to do with actual quality. Even if it sucked every week, I genuinely believe people would watch it. Because people are stupid.

Who isn't to say that the ratings don't go up on account of strategic broadcasting? The people at NTV/YTV also need the ratings to appease advertisers for certain demographics (the commercials in Conan are even worse than the Japanese norm, I gotta say; even the family audience they're reaching for deserves better than the rapping rat-kangaroo thing that I see all the time). Of course, I don't think the ratings have any correlation on the quality of the case because by the time people have watched it, it's too late. Many just tune in over dinner and the like because it's on most likely. For the series on the whole, it definitely would after people realize that every episode is going to be just like the dull installment they experienced a week earlier.

How many people would be watching such a long-running series after it's "ended"? After hearing from every source that it's "over" and that everything they're watching after a certain episode isn't even remotely productive, they're not going to be pleased. I also have my doubts Gosho would let them sully his creation's legacy, though he's doing a fabulous job of that himself with these drawn out plots at the moment.

There really isn't any correlation between the quality of an episode and its ratings. Hence oblivious family viewers would continue watching, not because they're stupid, but because they're not otakus who analyse every single episode like we do.  :P

Most of the time it's because they don't know if the episode coming up is manga-based or not. That's the point they don't connect. What they would eventually connect is when every episode seems like "one of those bad episodes again".

People will keep watching it, though, because if you ever loved a show you'll often keep watching it just because you love certain characters and long for them to appear, or you're forever hopeful that it'll return to its former glory.

Not really true, as I've seen many, many Conan fans from yesteryear completely fade out of interest and not even bother watching the recent movies even. The only reason I (and I suspect others involved in the fansubs) follow the day-to-day is because I/we don't want everyone here to be let down; even if it isn't what it once was, that doesn't mean it's worse than a lot of the rubbish out there.

[kkslider5552000]

one good case a year

you know stuff like this makes it difficult to take you even remotely seriously

[Jd-]

one good case a year

you know stuff like this makes it difficult to take you even remotely seriously

Your avatar and opinion on Movie 14 are what do it for me.

[kkslider5552000]

one good case a year

you know stuff like this makes it difficult to take you even remotely seriously

opinion on Movie 14 is what does it for me.

If you're gonna try to reply with "WELL YOUR OPINION SUCKS TOO SO THERE", at least use better examples (like the rant I made about that Haunted Apartment case recently?)