File 701: Is it the end of Mizunashi Rena?

[ssjup81]

Well, there goes my Scar Akai=Kir theory unless its a double switch(Kir=Akai, Vermouth=Kir) but that would just be silly and add to many questions. File 701 is going to be a surprising one and I find Kir's "Damn....well this sucks" face hilarious, especially if she really has nothing to do with this.

Yeah, so much for that theory.  I was thinking the Akai = Kir thing too.  I really liked that theory too...

[Nanatsu no Ko]

Well, there goes my Scar Akai=Kir theory unless its a double switch(Kir=Akai, Vermouth=Kir) but that would just be silly and add to many questions. File 701 is going to be a surprising one and I find Kir's "Damn....well this sucks" face hilarious, especially if she really has nothing to do with this.

It's not quite gone yet. There is the possibility that Akai and Kir switched places.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Here is a review of the hints so far in the 13 red shirt case
The shirts sent are red polyester long-sleeved sports shirts.
13 total shirts were sent two a week for the first three weeks, only one shirt was sent the fourth, and then we are back to two shirts a week for the final three weeks.
The top left and top right of the receipts are torn off to form a pointy triangle. More of the left side is torn off than the right
The sender "carelessly" didn't rip away the store mark on the most recent receipt.
All the shirts were bought at 12:29 or one minute before 12.5 hours
At least some of the shirts have strange creases that suggest they were kept in a right arm up, left arm down state,
According to the receipt and the packaging tag the shirts were sent the day of buying.

There seems to be a contradiction between the state of the shirts and the fact they appeared to have been sent immediately. How would the shirts acquire such a strange persistent creasing pattern like one arm up one arm down if they were sent so soon. It seems unlikely that a store would display shirts in a one arm up one arm down fashion. On the receipt it does say "underwear" (i.e. shirt) but it doesn't specify red ones. Were the shirts being bought and the shirts being sent really the same?

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Although we haven't seen all the shirts, perhaps the shirt sleeves form the above shape. Starting from the left side, six shirts are left sleeve down, right sleeve up, the middle shirt has no folds, while the right six are left sleeve up, right sleeve down. This is the same shape as the receipts which have both sides torn off.  This reminds me of a team jersey display that you might hang in a gym or along a wall which matches well with the fact that the shirts are sports shirts. Perhaps the sender and the receiver are related to a sports team which has something to do with the motive?

The red mark on the strapped-with-bombs guy's sleeve seems suspicious. I thought it might be from the strap of the bag, but the bag was hanging over the guy's right shoulder, and the mark is over his left shoulder.

Also why is a bomb giving off a puff of smoke? That's a weird setup unless the bombs are really a smokescreen instead of explosives which is intended to let the person who set up the bombs escape. If so, this could prove troublesome for Gin and friends outside who are trying to watch the proceedings...

[TheBlind]

There goes the Okiya is Gin idea. I wonder if Aoyama will ever validate Haibara's reminder that Gin is left handed, or if that was just pointless fear-mongering from her. (Ran getting a chance to kick Gin would've been awesome.)

This was one I was secretly hoping for. Having Gin getting ahead of Conan and placing himself so close to his everyday life while having on a perfect mask of a compassionate person would of just sent DC to a whole new level of interesting while giving him's character even more depth. Only thing that didn't fit for me about this idea was that Okiya keeps his cool around Haibara and Gin wouldn't be able to do this(it's like cookie monster vs cookie). He's already at the point that he's assuming people to be Shiho by strands of hair(though he was right)  .

Well, there goes my Scar Akai=Kir theory unless its a double switch(Kir=Akai, Vermouth=Kir) but that would just be silly and add to many questions. File 701 is going to be a surprising one and I find Kir's "Damn....well this sucks" face hilarious, especially if she really has nothing to do with this.

It's not quite gone yet. There is the possibility that Akai and Kir switched places.

This would be interesting(as it would mean Okiya=unknown/Bourbon) but unlikely as there is no gain from it. Unless this arc is going to end with the death of Gin, no reason for a mole to be switched out for another mole storywise. Besides, Akai would make one ugly girl, imagine the conversation between Gin and "Kir"?
Gin:*in evil Gin voice*Kir get in, we need to confirm something at the mall, seems a ghost is walking around.
Kir:........ok
Gin:By the way Kir.............*slowly reaches into coat, you hear a click*.......you have a 5 o clock shadow, here use my  portable shaver.
Kir:...........thanks.

[Tenken]

Looks like it's Rena's turn to feign death ... LOL

[shinichi1977]

I never got a Vermouth vibe from this arc.  I always assumed she went back to "that person's side" after the Kir incident.  "He" seems to be keeping a closer eye on her.  

I really doubt she'll do this to get Kir in trouble.  She wants the org to be taken down (hence helping Shinichi etc).

I still say Okiya = Akai.  "Akai" = Bourbon.  Most likely Bourbon and Akai is having a showdown of some sort.  By disguising himself as Akai, Bourbon is a threat to Jodie et co.  At the same time Akai can't reveal who he is or else Kir's dead.

I'm more interested in the 13 red shirts thing.

I'm curious to find out the basis of the idea, who except Sherry wants the organization to be taken down. The goddess of discord makes ambigious actions, the only sure thing is, anyone who would let a little girl die by flames is definitely not a good person. Severing the connection to the organization without revealing ourselves either by order or self interest is an alternative explanation. And having Kir dead does just that and also "saves" Shinichi by loosing he only lead to them. One might also overlook the obvious fact, that if the burnt person isn't Akai , it definitely is someone who knows what happened at Raiha Falls, and by switching to another disguise, that person will leave the scene

[yukionna]

Aww. I hope not. It's too early for another death. It would suck if the only information she could get out of the BO is that there's a super smart new member named Bourbon.

[Nanatsu no Ko]

Aww. I hope not. It's too early for another death. It would suck if the only information she could get out of the BO is that there's a super smart new member named Bourbon.

Yeah, that's true. Though, it would make the BO look near impossible to infiltrate and could shove Eisuke back into the storyline.

I think now would be an opportune time for Conan to phone the Boss of the BO. 
Whatever happens in the next files, I'm expecting to be blown away by its sheer significance.

[kirite]

I'm curious to find out the basis of the idea, who except Sherry wants the organization to be taken down. The goddess of discord makes ambigious actions, the only sure thing is, anyone who would let a little girl die by flames is definitely not a good person. Severing the connection to the organization without revealing ourselves either by order or self interest is an alternative explanation. And having Kir dead does just that and also "saves" Shinichi by loosing he only lead to them. One might also overlook the obvious fact, that if the burnt person isn't Akai , it definitely is someone who knows what happened at Raiha Falls, and by switching to another disguise, that person will leave the scene

Sorry for off topic, but since Shin1977 asked me, I'll answer xD.  

I think Vermouth wants the org to be taken down.  She coins Conan as “Silver Bulletâ€

[kirite]

Sorry for double post, but back on thread topic:

I think the misfolded shirt shows that the shirt isn't bought at the store a like all the other shirts but dyed red and planted there.  As to the corner that's not ripped properly on the recipt it can be a trap, making the reciever think by coming here at 12:29 they will be able to see the sender. 

[Nyarl]

Sorry for double post, but back on thread topic:

I think the misfolded shirt shows that the shirt isn't bought at the store a like all the other shirts but dyed red and planted there.  As to the corner that's not ripped properly on the recipt it can be a trap, making the reciever think by coming here at 12:29 they will be able to see the sender.  

I think the poor guy with the bomb lost a shirt and had to replace it in a panic. He's not the one who got Kogoro involved, but he was probably lying about the source of the red mark (dye from the replacement shirt).

ETA:

I think Vermouth wants the org to be taken down.  She coins Conan as “Silver Bulletâ€

[SkyVenger]

[quote="kirite"]As for Vermouth killing little Jodie when she's little I found it interesting how she didn't just shoot Jodie like she did with Jodie's father and maybe mother.  One way of looking at it is that she's like Gin who sometimes decides killing someone slowly is more fun (Shinichi – APTX).  Another idea is that she wanted to give fate a chance to let Jodie survive.  Alike Gin, Vermouth by not killing Jodie directly allowed her target escape death.  However unlike Gin she didn't develop a “I must watch them die before I'm satisfiedâ€

[sstimson]

Sorry for double post, but back on thread topic:

I think the misfolded shirt shows that the shirt isn't bought at the store a like all the other shirts but dyed red and planted there.  As to the corner that's not ripped properly on the recipt it can be a trap, making the reciever think by coming here at 12:29 they will be able to see the sender. 

My thoughts is the Guy with the Bomb on Him seem to know too much. Either he is the sender and is setting a trap or the receiver and the one who asked Kogoro to Find the sender. The real question is is there any meaning behind the red shirts themselves.

[Eve]

Sorry for double post, but back on thread topic:

I think the misfolded shirt shows that the shirt isn't bought at the store a like all the other shirts but dyed red and planted there.  As to the corner that's not ripped properly on the recipt it can be a trap, making the reciever think by coming here at 12:29 they will be able to see the sender. 

My thoughts is the Guy with the Bomb on Him seem to know too much. Either he is the sender and is setting a trap or the receiver and the one who asked Kogoro to Find the sender. The real question is is there any meaning behind the red shirts themselves.

The guy with the bombs is quite suspicious, but Gosho loves misleading people... so... argh.... hopefully the next file will give more hints so far I've only gathered a few... It's frustrating not know that was the meaning of the folded shirt *ish going to read it again after work ^__^*

[caribou]

ooh! lots of interesting theory. i myself like the theory that the shirts with their strange creases form some kind of code (as in Sherlock Holmes in the Dancing Men), or a shape, as suggested by Chekhov. I was thinking about it, and I found it strange that the receiver of the red shirts called up Kogoro to solve the mystery, and then when he's supposed to meet him he sets up this bomb instead. Could it be that the whole thing is a trap to target Kogoro? someone who holds a grudge? :S and the one who created the whole story of these red shirts is the man with the bombs strapped to him... (that's why he keeps leaning close to Kogoro, so that when he detonates the bombs Kogoro will be the first to die? )

as for Kir, I don't think she will die. that would mean the whole thing with Akai was just for nothing... Also, I'm hoping she won't need to be rescued openly ... that would show she's in with the good guys and kind of take us back to square one, cos the lead to the BO is lost. I don't think "Akai" is the real Akai, unless he really lost his speech and memory, because if he knew who he was he wouldn't go out in the open and endanger Kir like that... I like the theory that he's Bourbon in disguise, maybe he doesn't mind putting Kir in jeopardy because he suspects that she's not loyal to the BO anyway. But somehow at the last minute Jodie confronts him and reveals him to be someone else so Kir is safe.

also, the message on the coaster could just be an additional trap rather than a warning. If there had been no message, Jodie was just about to give up on her search and go back. But Bourbon/Akai left that message, and allowed himself to be witnessed by the cafe staff..... well that's my theory at least.

I'm not in the Akai-is-alive camp, so I'm thinking, maybe Okiya is Yusaku in disguise? that would at least explain Conan's trust, the Holmes fanaticism, and anyway we haven't heard from Shinichi's parents in a long time! Heh.