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TheBlind wrote: With this new information that Gin isn't aware that a "fake" Akai is roaming around I'm leaning towards that Akai is Kir. This Akai is looking more and more feminine with each appearance, wears loose clothes, and does not speak which tells you it is not Vermouth as she could cover all these angles with her abilities.
These are all professionals, dressing as Akai isn't going to be a problem for FBI/CIA/magician. Though, I do think that lack of speaking is significant. I also think the scar is significant. Why would someone dressing up as Akai put a scar on their face? Wouldn't that make them less recognizable (to Jodie)? Are they assuming that Jodie (or whoever they are looking for) has seen Akai alive with the scar (which would mean they have also)?
TheBlind wrote: The reason Gin is not aware of this "plan" is because it's not a BO plan, it's Kir trying to re-established the FBI and CIA link which died with the real Akai. Unlike Conan, Kir was not in fake death plan, (which makes sense since Gin and Vodka witnessed what she saw & a great Detective like Gin would of caught even the slightest inconsistency) so she is under the impression that Akai's really dead and is trying to lure Jodie out alone to establish the link with her(as she knows Akai and her are close friends and therefore she isn't a BO FBI mole).
Kir would have to be in on any fake death plan. She's too intelligent not to be. Kir, knowing the BO, would be a fool to run around as someone who she killed for the BO to get in touch with the FBI. She may as well go as herself. If the meeting is discovered, then either way she is dead.
TheBlind wrote: Reason why Conan was surprised was because he knows it's not the real Akai but can't figure out why would the BO* implement such a sloppy plan when they usually  work from behind the scenes to verify things.
Or maybe there are only a handful of people that know about Akai's scar so as to impersonate him.
TheBlind wrote: Reason why Okiya(real Akai) is now in the open investigating is because he also saw the video Vodka mentioned and is putting the pieces together like Jodie but unlike Jodie/Conan, he has the experience of a BO member and knows it's unlike them to do something so "sloppy" and is trying to locate fake Akai with the belief it's actually Kir.
And the one that warned Jodie wasn't Okiya(real), it was Kir.
I don't think anyone is being sloppy, I think we've got a giant chess match. I like your idea that Jodie is being set up. It seems someone else knows that Jodie is being set up. I still contend that Kir would be suicidal to dress up as Akai.
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Nanatsu no Ko wrote: These are all professionals, dressing as Akai isn't going to be a problem for FBI/CIA/magician. Though, I do think that lack of speaking is significant. I also think the scar is significant. Why would someone dressing up as Akai put a scar on their face? Wouldn't that make them less recognizable (to Jodie)? Are they assuming that Jodie (or whoever they are looking for) has seen Akai alive with the scar (which would mean they have also)?



Or maybe there are only a handful of people that know about Akai's scar so as to impersonate him.
you can pretty esaily explain the scar even if nobody's seen him with it before. After all, if you saw someone laying in a car that exploded, you would think they'd come out of the ordeal with some burns. So even if you didn't know about any scars for sure, it would make more sense to put a burn scar on than not to.
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I think this arc is gonna be a pile-up of foiled plans.
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These are all professionals, dressing as Akai isn't going to be a problem for FBI/CIA/magician. Though, I do think that lack of speaking is significant. I also think the scar is significant. Why would someone dressing up as Akai put a scar on their face? Wouldn't that make them less recognizable (to Jodie)? Are they assuming that Jodie (or whoever they are looking for) has seen Akai alive with the scar (which would mean they have also)?
Jodie is an FBI agent, if Akai's car was involved in an explosion and he was confirmed dead, it would be extremely weird if he just surfaced without a scratch and this is Kir's mindset. She needs to lure Jodie away from the rest of the FBI because she can't be certain that one of them isn't a BO mole.
Kir would have to be in on any fake death plan. She's too intelligent not to be. Kir, knowing the BO, would be a fool to run around as someone who she killed for the BO to get in touch with the FBI. She may as well go as herself. If the meeting is discovered, then either way she is dead.
No, she doesn't. I theorize that this plan was thought up by Conan and Akai while Kir was still in the hospital as Akai knows Gin and knew that Gin wouldn't just take Kir back with open arms(not matter how genuine her escape looked). Reason why Kir was keep out of the loop was to give her denial-ability. If Gin approached Kir with the plan and she acted without any hesitation or faked hesitation, Gin would assume something is up.

Reason why Kir can't go herself is because she's a BO member which the FBI suspect of killing Akai. You really think she can just walk up to Jodie and say "hi lets talk" without Jodie thinking it's a set-up, even if she flashed her magical CIA bandage. This would just make Jodie take precautions which could lead to more FBI agents getting involved which could lead to the BO taking notice. It's just easier to lure her into a deserted alley dressed as Akai. I agree that it is a risky move doing this but if Kir really does think Akai is dead, that probably plays a part in it.
Or maybe there are only a handful of people that know about Akai's scar so as to impersonate him.
If Akai is alive, it means he had a plan to get out of the explosion with minimal damage. There isn't any gray areas where he magically survived a bullet to the face by luck and in the last few seconds jumped out of the explosion, so I doubt he has any scars.
I don't think anyone is being sloppy, I think we've got a giant chess match. I like your idea that Jodie is being set up. It seems someone else knows that Jodie is being set up. I still contend that Kir would be suicidal to dress up as Akai.
For a BO plan(sending out scar Akai to go fishing) would be a sloppy move which is why I think Conan is surprised and Okiya is looking for his fake. The BO wouldn't just send an Akai to roam the streets when he's been confirmed dead. The most they can get out of that move is Jodie and if they wanted an FBI agent to extract information from, they would aim higher and probably in America. So the other move must be to set up a mole but that also doesn't work as the FBI would run checks on scar Akai to see if he's genuine and even then would isolate him for a period of time. Then there's the fact that Gin isn't aware of this plan, why would you keep out the person that knows Akai the best out of this sort of plan? That's why I think it would be a sloppy plan if it indeed it was officially BO, and Conan could be thinking the same thing.

It's would be risky plan by Kir but not suicidal. First person to know if they are aware of scar Akai would be her as she was giving the task of killing Akai. Gin would question her(he probably is in the next few chapters) or change his behavior around her, so it's not like she can get blindsided. She may also have the ability to sense other members(not sure if they all can do it), so her being ambushed while in disguise wouldn't be a factor.

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I was about to point out that the burn scar on "Akai's" face looks different in the bank robbery arc, but then I noticed that even in the same chapter, the burn looks different. Darn it Gosho, be consistent! In any case "Akai" is really unlucky to have gotten caught in two different crimes when he has tried to approach the FBI. Or maybe s/he planned it that way; discovering where the crimes were to take place in advance or even helping arrange the crimes with the intent to slip out in the following confusion after doing whatever s/he intended. That explanation might be too far fetched though. After all, consider all the crimes that the main characters regularly run into. Maybe Conan's curse is rubbing off on him?

Regarding the red shirt case, I posted some thoughts already, but here are some more things to think about. It's strange that the bomber knows the shirt sender person is on the floor at the current moment, but does not know who that person is. Also the bomber would have had to spend time placing bags at all the exits, knocking someone out in the bathroom, strapping bombs to him, and then waiting for the person to wake up to relay their demands to Kogoro. During that time, how can the bomber be sure no one, including the shirt sender, has left the floor? It would have been dangerous to prepare the bags at the exit in advance because there is a high likelyhood someone would look in the bag like Ran was about to do. Also, it would be foolish to knock someone out in the bathroom and strap bombs to them unless the person was sure the shirt sender was on the floor.  Maybe the bomber knew that the sender was going to buy the shirt now. Another possibility is the sender bought a red shirt at the checkout just now and bomber has been watching the transactions take place from somewhere and saw that a long sleeved red shirt was rung up. The problem with that idea is the sender might leave before the preparations are complete. Are there two people working together?
The guy with the bombs strapped to him is suspicious of course because if he faked the story, he could have come in pre-prepared and it would have taken far less time to place the other bombs and he would not need to go into the bathroom where he could have missed the sender leaving.

There are a minimum of 2 bomb bags, one by the elevator and one by the stairs assuming only one set of elevators and stairs. Also there is a bag with the shirts, and there probably also was a bag of the bombs that the bomber strapped to the victim, making a total of four bags. Also plastic explosives or whatever the bomber is using are going to be heavy. Whoever was carrying the bags probably will have marks on their arms or hands from the weight of the bags. Chances are no one is going to remember someone who suddenly mysteriously had fewer items than when they arrived.

From Ran's description, it sounds like whoever was getting sent the shirts was receiving one a week or something like that. Why wait until now to do something about it? Did the person getting sent the shirts not understand their meaning until later? Why would the receiver be so desperate as to hold an entire store floor hostage just to catch the sender? Unless the receiver somehow has a "foolproof" plan and is certain s/he isn't going to be caught, holding a floor hostage with bombs is liable to get a large number of police after you; not an easy situation to escape from... if the receiver intends to escape that is... If the bomber person was trying to save someone (a similar case premise to the doctor receiving toys case in chap 26-29) why wouldn't he tell Kogoro directly? Even though the guy had the money to pay Kogoro, why would the guy feel the need to disguise from the detective? One possibility is that the shirt receiver has a crime of his own to hide, or is intending to commit one once Kogoro finds the shirt sender.

Of course there is the question of what do the thirteen red long-sleeved shirts mean? I tried to fish for some connections. Rugby teams have thirteen players. There are thirteen cards per suit and 14 if you count the joker. Mahjong hands have 13 tiles and there is a mahjong hand called thirteen orphans. (http://mahjong.wikidot.com/thirteen-orphans). Those guesses might be rendered moot if the sender intended to send one more shirt, making a total of 14.
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Akonyl wrote:
don't forget, akai was in the BO once. Maybe the vibe haibara gets from BO members is hard to shake off :P
oh yeah thats right. so my deduction has a chance now haha

but since it's so obvious, i dont think it's right. oh well.

we are all in for a surprise!
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TheBlind wrote: No, she doesn't. I theorize that this plan was thought up by Conan and Akai while Kir was still in the hospital as Akai knows Gin and knew that Gin wouldn't just take Kir back with open arms(not matter how genuine her escape looked). Reason why Kir was keep out of the loop was to give her denial-ability. If Gin approached Kir with the plan and she acted without any hesitation or faked hesitation, Gin would assume something is up.
The main reason why Kir would have to be in on it is that she shot him in the head at close range. He could have had body armor and blood bags for being shot in the heart/chest, but being shot in the head at close range without Kir knowing... she could've really killed him despite his and Conan's plan.
For a BO plan(sending out scar Akai to go fishing) would be a sloppy move which is why I think Conan is surprised and Okiya is looking for his fake. The BO wouldn't just send an Akai to roam the streets when he's been confirmed dead. The most they can get out of that move is Jodie and if they wanted an FBI agent to extract information from, they would aim higher and probably in America. So the other move must be to set up a mole but that also doesn't work as the FBI would run checks on scar Akai to see if he's genuine and even then would isolate him for a period of time. Then there's the fact that Gin isn't aware of this plan, why would you keep out the person that knows Akai the best out of this sort of plan? That's why I think it would be a sloppy plan if it indeed it was officially BO, and Conan could be thinking the same thing.

It's would be risky plan by Kir but not suicidal. First person to know if they are aware of scar Akai would be her as she was giving the task of killing Akai. Gin would question her(he probably is in the next few chapters) or change his behavior around her, so it's not like she can get blindsided. She may also have the ability to sense other members(not sure if they all can do it), so her being ambushed while in disguise wouldn't be a factor.
I think our main disagreement is just how much risk Kir would be willing to take at this time. I'm not comfortable with any guess I've seen for who "Akai" is. Explain Gosho, explain.

And I hadn't thought too much about BO members sensing each other... wouldn't Vermouth have figured out who Haibara was really quickly? Maybe I'm imagining a time when Dr. Araide (being Vermouth) was with Ran, Conan, Ayumi, Mitsuhiko, Genta, and Haibara?
Man, right or wrong 701 is going to be awesome.. ;D
Agreed. I hope there are some spoilers tomorrow!
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Conan324 wrote: tomorrow is the release day?
No, but last week (and in the past) we've gotten reliable spoilers on Saturday for the upcoming file release (probably has something to do with shipping it across the world early to get it to stores on the release day).
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Akai Shuichi and Okiya Subaru Are NOT The Same Person

this is still too early to come up with that type of conclusion we just have to wait and see what's what or who is who
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Hello again to everyone, some of you might know me, others will learn to hate me ;D Just kidding.

Interesting theory and quite a good few argument, so I can only add my cents in a facts and assumptions way.

Fact is, Kir told Jodie, that there is a new player named Bourbon, who is after Sherry, in the same file as Shiho had her bad feeling and Okiya was introduced. That Bourbon actually exists is not a fact. We assume (s)he exists, and it could be Okiya. Kir could have been deceived in order to avert the FBI's attention.

Fact is, that Akai is alive, whether or not it is Okiya or the other Akai. Not even Vermouth could have gathered the information to fold the paper etiquette. I remember of reading of a full explanation earlier how even that headshot can be faked with very good timing.

Fact is, Shinichi knows who Okiya is, even if he is not Akai, because he lets him live in close vicinity and cooperate in crime fighting.

As for these bombs, it resembles eerily the Bus Jack case as any other case for that matter in which Vermouth builds her own play on a preexisting chaos, she still is the Goddess of Discord after all.

And whoever the burnt Akai is, that person knows exactly what happened at Raiha Falls and that freaks Shinichi out
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shinichi1977 wrote: Fact is, Kir told Jodie, that there is a new player named Bourbon, who is after Sherry, in the same file as Shiho had her bad feeling and Okiya was introduced. That Bourbon actually exists is not a fact. We assume (s)he exists, and it could be Okiya. Kir could have been deceived in order to avert the FBI's attention.

Fact is, that Akai is alive, whether or not it is Okiya or the other Akai. Not even Vermouth could have gathered the information to fold the paper etiquette. I remember of reading of a full explanation earlier how even that headshot can be faked with very good timing.
i dont think Akai being alive is a 'fact', canon-wise.. it's just conjecture on our part. :/ i think either way (dead or alive) is possible.

but you did make a good point that we only know that Bourbon exists based on Kir's info. though I'd like to think it's true and that we can trust her (at least on this). :P

what completely mystifies me is why someone who has been receiving red shirts would do something as drastic as plant bombs and threaten to blast an entire shopping mall. maybe the red shirts are a form of threats..? but why hire a detective AND do this drastic plan?

maybe the BO was behind the sending of red shirts (rather than the bombing)? maybe they were threatening someone who they had past dealings with and giving them the message e.g. 'keep your mouth shut or we'll kill you' (???) but then again it seems more likely that the BO would kill right away than bother to send warnings. -_- *stumped*
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Conan324 wrote:
Akai Shuichi and Okiya Subaru Are NOT The Same Person

this is still too early to come up with that type of conclusion we just have to wait and see what's what or who is who
We have kinda deduced who's who and what's what.  :-*
yeah but it's still all assumption and speculation there still is no tangable proof or evidence to say who is who
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caribou wrote:
shinichi1977 wrote: Fact is, Kir told Jodie, that there is a new player named Bourbon, who is after Sherry, in the same file as Shiho had her bad feeling and Okiya was introduced. That Bourbon actually exists is not a fact. We assume (s)he exists, and it could be Okiya. Kir could have been deceived in order to avert the FBI's attention.

Fact is, that Akai is alive, whether or not it is Okiya or the other Akai. Not even Vermouth could have gathered the information to fold the paper etiquette. I remember of reading of a full explanation earlier how even that headshot can be faked with very good timing.
i dont think Akai being alive is a 'fact', canon-wise.. it's just conjecture on our part. :/ i think either way (dead or alive) is possible.

but you did make a good point that we only know that Bourbon exists based on Kir's info. though I'd like to think it's true and that we can trust her (at least on this). :P

what completely mystifies me is why someone who has been receiving red shirts would do something as drastic as plant bombs and threaten to blast an entire shopping mall. maybe the red shirts are a form of threats..? but why hire a detective AND do this drastic plan?

maybe the BO was behind the sending of red shirts (rather than the bombing)? maybe they were threatening someone who they had past dealings with and giving them the message e.g. 'keep your mouth shut or we'll kill you' (???) but then again it seems more likely that the BO would kill right away than bother to send warnings. -_- *stumped*
He is alive because only he had a special form of communication, we have already seen this the last time at James Black's birthday.

As for the red shirts: the organization itself is not related, someone has a personal grudge against that mall, and the one with the bomb is involved either as an assumed perpetrator of a former crime or the current perpetrator, this case is very similar to the Bus Jack. I assume the warning was sent by Vermouth to lure Shinichi there, and not Mouri Kogorou. It is possible that Okiya follows Vermouth and did knew about the case in advance, talking to the saleswoman was in order to make her forget about Jodie's questions.

If Bourbon exists, he must not be related to the fake Akai, it is not from the devil that it is Yuminaga, Mouri's former boss. But if he doesn't and Kir was deceived, this is Vermouth's doing to loosen the grip on Haibara and while they get bombed she can kill her, which of course would be the end of DC.

And still it is not January, so I think Burnt Akai will leave the scene without a confrontation again
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The main reason why Kir would have to be in on it is that she shot him in the head at close range. He could have had body armor and blood bags for being shot in the heart/chest, but being shot in the head at close range without Kir knowing... she could've really killed him despite his and Conan's plan.
This probably the most debatable point. If Kir was in it, she would of just shot him in the head, why would she draw so much suspicion on herself? First she asked if the other memebers would deliver the final blow, then after Gin corners her, she asked for a bit of time before the plan was started (which gets replied with a gun to the face), and then once the plan is in motion she shots Akai in a lung and tells him that this would probably be enough(as he would die shortly with only 1 lung). If she was in it, the only thing these events would accomplish is to bring suspicion onto herself, they wouldn't give Akai-Conan-Kir any advantage.

Then there's the fact Gin saw the whole thing(camera was on her neck giving him an almost perfect view of what Kir was seeing), provided her with the gun, & explosive. Even if she was in it, there's not much she could do anyway(Gosho must be really hiding the clue very well if it turns out she helped in this plan) as Gin would notice if the gun is different or if it sounds different when firing(blank bullets). And the biggest clue is that Akai told Kir "to think you would really go this far?", if she was in on it, he would have no reason to say that. Only possibility I see for these clues and her being in it would be that the plan involved showing Gin that Kir was really a spy but when given the choice between FBI or B.O. she chose B.O. and that would be a bad plan as Gin would kill her after she killed Akai if he suspected this.
I think our main disagreement is just how much risk Kir would be willing to take at this time. I'm not comfortable with any guess I've seen for who "Akai" is. Explain Gosho, explain.

And I hadn't thought too much about BO members sensing each other... wouldn't Vermouth have figured out who Haibara was really quickly? Maybe I'm imagining a time when Dr. Araide (being Vermouth) was with Ran, Conan, Ayumi, Mitsuhiko, Genta, and Haibara?
Kir is a sheep in wolf's clothing. If she really does believe she killed Akai, than her emotional side is probably influencing her more than her logical side. Akai was the best the FBI had against the B.O., so in her mind she must be thinking she crippled them and wants to establish a new link with Jodie as I said before.

If my memory is right, Vermouth did figure out who Haibara was fairly quickly(as she told Gin vaguely) but she sat on it to confirm that Conan was Shinichi and she was probably interested on how Shinichi would take down the B.O.(hence all the listening devices) but they never hinted that she used the B.O. sensor or that she has one.
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I've thought about this quite a bit. It was really interesting. I have a few theories, though.
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First - Okiya is Bourbon and Akai is out in the open. For some reason Akai is showing himself off so foolishly after Kir had spared his life so graciously. Most likely this situation had been planned before hand between the two of them and kept secret from even Conan in order to make things seem more real. It would be hard to trick Jodie, after all, if Conan knew of Shuu's condition. This is also the reason why Conan is so surprised by Shuu's 'reappearance' as he had believed Okiya to be safe, and, most likely, by the clues shot at him, he had believed Okiya to be Shuuichi Akai.

Shuuichi received the burn as he attempted to escape the bomb left in the car. Kir had set him enough time to slip out of his seat. He wasn't quick enough, though, and received a good shot to the right cheek from the fire blast; though he was able to shield the rest of his face. He had smoothly escaped by rolling down the hill and hiding in the greenery nearby until things had cooled down before making a stealthy escape. Of course, his 'corpse' had been replaced with that of the man from the bomb threat in the hospital during Kir's capture.

Perhaps Shuu only came out into the open when Jodie was about to get in trouble? He loves the woman, after all, and he had seen her in a bad condition before when Vermouth shot her. (When Vermouth was first revealed to Conan)

Second - Okiya is indeed Shuuichi Akai. Shuu had been able to stealthily escape the bomb Kir had left by his head and replace the body within the ten seconds she had left him. The body was already in the car; prepped and ready, after all. He had simply covered it with a black cloth in order to disguise it. Do you think it's a coincidence that Kir's vision had been blacked of the doorway as she escaped? She probably left the door open in order to hide Shuu's escape from Gin and Vodka; just as a precaution. (Though, the camera WAS on the front of her body, and not the back. She didn't look back on the scene either.) It would be easy to pull a corpse that was hidden under the car seat and plop it down where he had been laying, leave behind a cellphone, and rush off. Bombs ruined all evidence of who it was that had been killed, after all. (No DNA!)

Well, he had given Conan the appropriate clues in order to figure him out, and in turn, received a very nice accommodation. Because Conan knew of his true identity, Conan ccalmed Haibara down who seemed to freak out about the man. She had hardly ever met Shuuichi Akai; if at all. Shuu had even said himself that 'it was not the time to meet'. We do not know how Haibara reacts to Shuu, but we do know that Okiya has a bad vibe. Since Shuu was once a part of the Black Organization as a spy, Haibara can 'smell' the evil on him. Though she is mistaken. Okiya is nothing more than an FBI agent searching to destroy the ones that killed one of his loves, and almost killed another.

He bugged Agasa's house in order to stay connected to the mission at hand against the B.O. and possibly even place himself conveniently into some situations. He probably heard about this mystery through some sort of bug. He understood the true meaning of the 13 red shirts and decided to go in order to make sure things would stay safe. The reason behind his asking the clerk about Jodie's ramblings had to be because he was worried for her. After all, she was asking if anyone had seen HIM; only with a scar and no voice. In all truth, he had no scar and he could speak just fine. He left Jodie that message, having known of the situation already and hoping she could escape in time with Camel.

The one playing Shuuichi this whole time could be one of three people in my eyes. Vermouth, seeing as she IS the mistress of disguise. Kir, for whatever reason. Perhaps she was trying to pull the Organizations eyes off from something. They do look similar if you look between the two images. Cut the lipstick from Kir, throw a fake scar on and hide her hair under a hat and you'd be golden. And last, Bourbon. No one knows what this man looks like, yet. He could have asked Vermouth to disguise his face for him so that he could do his own bit of investigation. He wanted to see the reactions of several people and see if he could hear anything interesting while disguised as Shuuichi, Akai. Of course, he wasn't expecting to have been caught on film and noticed by Gin or Vodka, but who cares about them? He worked alone in his investigation.

The second time he showed up, he had set up the bombing. He had set Conan and everyone up at a sports store as a certain time in which, coincidentally, two others had been at; Jodie and Camel. He had planned it this way. He wanted the image of Shuuichi being him to be trapped in their heads. At the same time, though, he had never risked dressing up at Shuuichi in order to purchase a new outfit. This would be why the shop keep had not recognized a mute man with a nasty looked scar. That could work for Bourbon, Vermouth, and Kir. What is off, though, is the fact that Shuu doesn't speak anymore. If it were Kir or Bourbon, it'd be understandable. Jodie would know the voice change easily. Vermouth, though, would be able to disguise her voice and act as Shuuichi was ease.



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I shoot for my second idea, with Bourbon dressed as Akai Shuuichi. =D
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