FILE 700: Akai Shuichi and Okiya Subaru Are NOT The Same Per

[Panda]

i dont know if anyone has mentioned this already but i think that the akai with the burn marks is vermouth. she is testing if she can trust kir by seeing the reactions in akai's friends' faces. if they appear to be shocked, then she can confirm that kir did really murder akai (since seeing a dead person walking around would be kinda freaky). if not then she'll sense something is fishy, investigate more, and basically question kir, in which then, she might address it to gin. so basically vermouth has taken up this mission on her own without the consent of the BO. as for the real akai, he is most likely okiya. that is why conan feels so comfortable with him.


the only hole i have is why does haibara get that feeling everytime okiya is close. im pretty sure he is not bourbon because conan would have noticed.

i would love to be proven wrong so that i can have that sense of surprise!

[Akonyl]

as for the real akai, he is most likely okiya. that is why conan feels so comfortable with him.

the only hole i have is why does haibara get that feeling everytime okiya is close. im pretty sure he is not bourbon because conan would have noticed.

don't forget, akai was in the BO once. Maybe the vibe haibara gets from BO members is hard to shake off

[sstimson]

I put my two cent in the other thread and it looks like I will put them here as well

I think that the "Akia" in 700 is Kir and it looks to me like she not in disguise but is just dressed like Akia. It would be likely Gin sent her there ( remember Gin said to call her ), probably to see how any one and maybe Jodie in particular reacts to her appearance. This of course would not help either mystery ( who is Okiya, Is Okiya Akia, and is Akia is alive  ) But a good author likes to keep their readers guessing.

Later

[Introuble]

At the moment, I think the burn mark Akai is a fake, and his purpose is to determine if the real Akai is really dead. So, he could likely be Bourbon, and his purpose is to test out the reaction of the FBI or something like that.

if anything, this is what I think mostly. I mean, if I was sent out to gather information like "find out if this dude is really alive", then walking around as that person and seeing how people react would be a good way to find out the answer.

of course, okiya could still be bourbon, but because that's been hinted at heavily in the anime,  it's likely wrong.

i like that theory as well but the only thing that bothers me is, if burn-mark Akai is Bourbon, how come Gin and Vodka are surprised at his appearance as well? of course it could be just that neither of them knows about the strategy, though it just seems like a very inefficient way to operate (everyone doing their own thing and no one else knows). still, a possible theory.

the other thing is the warning note on Jodie's coaster. I guess everyone's first thought would be to jump to Akai... or is it part of the ploy by the BO, to introduce bombs into the building, use a fake Akai to make it seem like he's still alive, and then make it seem like he wrote the warning note to persuade the FBI to leave...? (a bit far-fetched yes, haha, and anyway Jodie wouldn't leave the scene so easily..)

also, do you all think the red shirts mystery is the work of the BO or someone else? I'm thinking BO... :/

I thought the wait for 700 was bad, but this is significantly worse.

what is significantly worse?.......the file?

[Misztina]

No, the line was "the wait for 700 was bad, but this is significantly worse". The file didn't reveal much, but enough to feel worse to wait 1 week to find out what's gioing to happen, since we are expecting something good, but can't think of the next step. *is excited herself*

[Girl19]

My guesses:

- That Akai with a burned cheek is NOT the real Akai (maybe he's Bourbon).
- Okiya IS the real Akai, and he's the one who left the note to Jodie-sensei.

[SkyVenger]

Well, the only argument left is "if Okiya is really Akai, how did he manage to change his voice?". Ofc in the manga it isn't implied, but at least if he had the same voice, others aside from Conan would notice his true identity (e.g. Agasa)

[DarkStar]

Perhaps anokata did not tell anyone else but Bourbon to dress like Akai and show this face to some old colleges. I don't think it's Vermouth, because she looked satisfied after she saw Jodie crying. (And it would be the same like Movie 13.)
But anokata might think the same like Gin: Akai died too fast - it was to easy. Therefore he ordered Bourbon to sneak around a little bit without telling anyone else. It's a better disguise.

[Nyarl]

Perhaps anokata did not tell anyone else but Bourbon to dress like Akai and show this face to some old colleges. I don't think it's Vermouth, because she looked satisfied after she saw Jodie crying. (And it would be the same like Movie 13.)
But anokata might think the same like Gin: Akai died too fast - it was to easy. Therefore he ordered Bourbon to sneak around a little bit without telling anyone else. It's a better disguise.

Why would he protect Conan though? I have suspected that Gin already thinks Conan is an errand boy of Shiho/whoever has been monitoring those bugs/trackers Conan has been leaving for him to find. But, would he tell the boss about his suspicions? Even if he did, would that really make Conan something they'd watch quietly (and protect!) rather than just capture and torture for information? (Kinda disappointed capturing Conan wasn't Gin's next objective after killing Akai. Maybe he didn't hear him in the locker or notice the shoeprints around his Porsche were child sized after all, and he only told the assassins to kill Conan to eliminate a witness.)

[yukionna]

Perhaps anokata did not tell anyone else but Bourbon to dress like Akai and show this face to some old colleges. I don't think it's Vermouth, because she looked satisfied after she saw Jodie crying. (And it would be the same like Movie 13.)
But anokata might think the same like Gin: Akai died too fast - it was to easy. Therefore he ordered Bourbon to sneak around a little bit without telling anyone else. It's a better disguise.

Why would he protect Conan though? I have suspected that Gin already thinks Conan is an errand boy of Shiho/whoever has been monitoring those bugs/trackers Conan has been leaving for him to find. But, would he tell the boss about his suspicions? Even if he did, would that really make Conan something they'd watch quietly (and protect!) rather than just capture and torture for information? (Kinda disappointed capturing Conan wasn't Gin's next objective after killing Akai. Maybe he didn't hear him in the locker or notice the shoeprints around his Porsche were child sized after all, and he only told the assassins to kill Conan to eliminate a witness.)

I actually think that there Gin may actually be more busy than we think. I doubt he ponders about Conan. Maybe he doesn't even think about the Akai assasination again until Vodka brought it up.

[Rellik]

that certainly makes Bourbon dress like Akai less likely

and Vermouth is the most logical answer if you think the Akai with the burnt mark is BO

and we cant eliminate the possibility that it was anokata's orders for Vermouth to dress up like Akai

and if it was an order made directly to Vermouth, then no other people in BO will know about this too

[Tenken]

Well, the only argument left is "if Okiya is really Akai, how did he manage to change his voice?". Ofc in the manga it isn't implied, but at least if he had the same voice, others aside from Conan would notice his true identity (e.g. Agasa)

If Okiya = Akai, he doesn't need to change his voice as long as he doesn't appear before Jodie or anyone whom he's met before.
As for Haibara, I think she already has an idea of who Okiya really is. ( in the chapter where Okiya spoke about escaped criminals "can they endure the loneliness" and such, Haibara was thinking: "as I thought, it's him/her" )

maybe, well, its obvious that okiya is not comfortable with glasses, as we have always seen him touching it.

I touch my glasses a lot, too ... LOL

[Misztina]

Gosho can understand that people with glasses like to touch them a lot. He also wears glasses. ^^

What I wanted to see that Shinichi in his true form would touching his face as if he wanted to touch the glasses he wore as Conan. Just because I'm using glasses and only rarely put in contacs, but if I put contacts, I forget about them and I keep touching my face to touch my glasses. 

Fake Akai is fake because his drawing is not like Shuichi's at all. I had the same feeling with fake-Shinichi as well back then. This however doesn't excludes the possibklity that the real Akai set up a fake Akai.

[ssjup81]

Well, the only argument left is "if Okiya is really Akai, how did he manage to change his voice?". Ofc in the manga it isn't implied, but at least if he had the same voice, others aside from Conan would notice his true identity (e.g. Agasa)

If Okiya = Akai, he doesn't need to change his voice as long as he doesn't appear before Jodie or anyone whom he's met before.
As for Haibara, I think she already has an idea of who Okiya really is. ( in the chapter where Okiya spoke about escaped criminals "can they endure the loneliness" and such, Haibara was thinking: "as I thought, it's him/her" )

maybe, well, its obvious that okiya is not comfortable with glasses, as we have always seen him touching it.

I touch my glasses a lot, too ... LOL

I do the same thing.  I touch my glasses a lot too, especially when they're slipping.

[TheBlind]

With this new information that Gin isn't aware that a "fake" Akai is roaming around I'm leaning towards that Akai is Kir. This Akai is looking more and more feminine with each appearance, wears loose clothes, and does not speak which tells you it is not Vermouth as she could cover all these angles with her abilities. The reason Gin is not aware of this "plan" is because it's not a BO plan, it's Kir trying to re-established the FBI and CIA link which died with the real Akai. Unlike Conan, Kir was not in fake death plan, (which makes sense since Gin and Vodka witnessed what she saw & a great Detective like Gin would of caught even the slightest inconsistency) so she is under the impression that Akai's really dead and is trying to lure Jodie out alone to establish the link with her(as she knows Akai and her are close friends and therefore she isn't a BO FBI mole).

Reason why Conan was surprised was because he knows it's not the real Akai but can't figure out why would the BO* implement such a sloppy plan when they usually  work from behind the scenes to verify things.

Reason why Okiya(real Akai) is now in the open investigating is because he also saw the video Vodka mentioned and is putting the pieces together like Jodie but unlike Jodie/Conan, he has the experience of a BO member and knows it's unlike them to do something so "sloppy" and is trying to locate fake Akai with the belief it's actually Kir.
And the one that warned Jodie wasn't Okiya(real), it was Kir.

That's how I see it, though, I've only been skimming the manga since Iron Tanuki(as I rather see these BO hint episodes in anime form) so I could of missed something..