Haibara's

[Kleene Onigiri]

I don't remember  ran taking a bodyguard training :x
Also, it's hard to draw someone on top covering her fully when you want to show who is underneath.

[Abs.]

I don't remember  ran taking a bodyguard training :x
Also, it's hard to draw someone on top covering her fully when you want to make it clear that Ran is not molesting or kissing Haibara.

Fixed it for you

[User 4869]

Why Ran's here.
- It's a good way to explain the word "Angel" on the photo, Gosho probably think about this scene long age.
- Ai wasn't cold toward Ayumi or any DB (or open up long ago) but she cold toward Ran, by having Ran save her take their relation to the next step + charactor developement.
- Ai cold toward Ran in Desperate revival, she open her mind to Ran in Mystery in the net. She cold again in The Secret Hidden in the Bathroom just to warm again in Head to head match. (Haibara is hard to please) She try to protect Ran in Black impact and by listening to her Ran buy her place in Habara heart more. Now she refer to whatever Kudo want to do with Ran, fliting or even propose as "Act Cool".
This is the scene where I fall in love with Ran. by having her save my favorite charactor who I know will survive somehow anyway.
Gosho had me back there. I know who's Vermouth before I watch 345. I KNOW Ran save Haibara's life at some point in the series. And yet when Ran show up I shock as much as Vermouth
(Vermouth got Oh crap moment a lot in this episode, when Conan show up, when Ran show up, When Akai show up, when she discover the device under conan's shirt)

[Akonyl]

Agreed. Ran always takes initiative. Though I think it is IRONIC that she was hiding in there the whole time....and not passing out from lack of air. Then again, how Conan survived that was IRONIC too. And where did Ran get a bullet-proof vest? Wait did she mention where? Forgot.

though the vest's been mentioned, I also have to point out that trunks aren't air-tight and you won't pass out if you're riding in one from lack of air.

[soratothamax]

Agreed. Ran always takes initiative. Though I think it is IRONIC that she was hiding in there the whole time....and not passing out from lack of air. Then again, how Conan survived that was IRONIC too. And where did Ran get a bullet-proof vest? Wait did she mention where? Forgot.

though the vest's been mentioned, I also have to point out that trunks aren't air-tight and you won't pass out if you're riding in one from lack of air.

But gas fumes travel back there, and dehydration does kick in. I tried it once...I won't explain why. And considering how long they were driving, she should have been stumbling out of that trunk, and from the lack of sunlight, her cones in her eyes would have to adjust from leaving the trunk. Though when she left he trunk it was night outside, the air would still hit her eyes. I did an experiment on that. It wouldn't be realistic to pop out of a trunk, especially without the key or an indoor trunk opener. What she triggered the wiring? But how was she able to see and know where it was in the trunk? Either Jodie didn't shut the trunk all the way or Ran seriously was forced there.

Why Ran's here.
- It's a good way to explain the word "Angel" on the photo, Gosho probably think about this scene long age.
- Ai wasn't cold toward Ayumi or any DB (or open up long ago) but she cold toward Ran, by having Ran save her take their relation to the next step + charactor developement.
- Ai cold toward Ran in Desperate revival, she open her mind to Ran in Mystery in the net. She cold again in The Secret Hidden in the Bathroom just to warm again in Head to head match. (Haibara is hard to please) She try to protect Ran in Black impact and by listening to her Ran buy her place in Habara heart more. Now she refer to whatever Kudo want to do with Ran, fliting or even propose as "Act Cool".
This is the scene where I fall in love with Ran. by having her save my favorite charactor who I know will survive somehow anyway.
Gosho had me back there. I know who's Vermouth before I watch 345. I KNOW Ran save Haibara's life at some point in the series. And yet when Ran show up I shock as much as Vermouth
(Vermouth got Oh crap moment a lot in this episode, when Conan show up, when Ran show up, When Akai show up, when she discover the device under conan's shirt)

Okay, I know why Gosho stuffed her in there, but the fact was she WAS stuffed in there, and it seemed completely out of place, random. It wasn't Ran's presence that was off-key, it was how he brought her into the scene that was off-key and completely felt forced. It didn't seem like she was meant to be there. It didn't seem to flow with the way the particular scene was going. To throw in AixRan's relationship in the middle of that scene, was random.

He could've brought her in a better way than that like in Clash of Red and Black. It wasn't too forced. It seemed to flow, and every part came together and seemed believable. That moment with Vermouth seemed like Gosho, at the last moment, said "Oh, I forgot, I want to put Ran in it somewhere." And threw her into the trunk.

In fact, the best case imo with the BO related and Ran was the New York Case.

And where did Ran get a bullet-proof vest? Wait did she mention where? Forgot.

Sometimes I seriously wonder whether you even read this manga/watch this series.

I've been "tl;dr"ing her posts since I realized she had no idea the modify button exists, have they really been that bad?

Wow, do you have to dog me out? Geez.   When I press quick reply I forgot how to quote.  :-[ And my computer acts up around certain times. Just because I have a different opinion? If that's your way of retaliation, that's pretty low to gang up.

What makes you think I don't read the manga? Did I mention something that had nothing to do with the manga? Some things I don't remember but that doesn't mean I don't read. You are wrong to make that assumption. I was agreeing with a fellow member, and discussing. Isn't that the point? Do you think that person doesn't read the manga just because they feel Ran was forced in there and may have brought up things that weren't there? I see it all the time on this board. Or do you think yourself better because you remember everything?

All you had to say was yes she did or no she didn't.  

@1Kaito I think we are overdue for anything BO related. I'm ready for the serious stuff, like finding out more about Bourbon, and not just all of these side cases.

And how did we get off on Ran anyhow?  ???

[ProfParanoia]

I don't remember  ran taking a bodyguard training :x
Also, it's hard to draw someone on top covering her fully when you want to show who is underneath.

you're commenting on the picture out of context. Besides, laying on someone isn't hard, you don't need bodyguard training for that. also, draw it from the side.

[Wakarimashita]

One of the reasons I think we don't get a lot of BO (besides Gosho and his editors delaying the story) is because the Japanese fandom doesn't really seem to care about them. And since this manga is first written for the Japanese, and not for the foreign people, Gosho and his team answer these demands.

A poll published in the Conan Doriru :

Characters Points
1. Edogawa Conan 1485 p.
2. Kudô Shinichi 1327 p.
3. Haibara Ai 1159 p.
4. Hattori Heiji 1038 p.
5. Môri Ran 875 p.
6. Kid 834 p.
7. Toyama Kazuha 743 p.
8. Takagi Wataru 545 p.
9. Sato Miwako 498 p.
10. Agasa 414 p.
11. Sherry 370 p.
12. Kudô Yusaku 355 p.
13. Kyôgoku Makoto 295 p.
14. Matsuda 281 p.
15. Gin 252 p.
16. Akai Shuichi 235 p.
17. Môri Kogoro 194 p.
18. Suzuki Sonoko 187 p.
19. Kisaki Eri 168 p.
20. Kudô Yukiko 145 p.

If we don't count Ai/Sherry/Shiho as BO. The only actual BO member in the top 20 is Gin. And the Japanese even prefer characters like Matsuda or Makoto which barely appear !

Despite being unpopular here, the DB appear a lot to attract the young audience (which probably didn't answer this poll), also Ai is usually with them to attract the other fans.

[soratothamax]

One of the reasons I think we don't get a lot of BO (besides Gosho and his editors delaying the story) is because the Japanese fandom doesn't really seem to care about them. And since this manga is first written for the Japanese, and not for the foreign people, Gosho and his team answer these demands.

A poll published in the Conan Doriru :

Characters Points
1. Edogawa Conan 1485 p.
2. Kudô Shinichi 1327 p.
3. Haibara Ai 1159 p.
4. Hattori Heiji 1038 p.
5. Môri Ran 875 p.
6. Kid 834 p.
7. Toyama Kazuha 743 p.
8. Takagi Wataru 545 p.
9. Sato Miwako 498 p.
10. Agasa 414 p.
11. Sherry 370 p.
12. Kudô Yusaku 355 p.
13. Kyôgoku Makoto 295 p.
14. Matsuda 281 p.
15. Gin 252 p.
16. Akai Shuichi 235 p.
17. Môri Kogoro 194 p.
18. Suzuki Sonoko 187 p.
19. Kisaki Eri 168 p.
20. Kudô Yukiko 145 p.

If we don't count Ai/Sherry/Shiho as BO. The only actual BO member in the top 20 is Gin. And the Japanese even prefer characters like Matsuda or Makoto which barely appear !

Despite being unpopular here, the DB appear a lot to attract the young audience (which probably didn't answer this poll), also Ai is usually with them to attract the other fans.

You have a very distinct and solid point. I was thinking of this when you posted. Do you have the link to this website?

Unfortunately, I guess the more BO the closer we are to the end. And that is a bitter-sweet thought. Plus, people like character interaction more than plot. I guess it gets too serious.

I guess I'm just personally anxious to see how it all pans out. I hope it's good too.

[Wakarimashita]

One of the reasons I think we don't get a lot of BO (besides Gosho and his editors delaying the story) is because the Japanese fandom doesn't really seem to care about them. And since this manga is first written for the Japanese, and not for the foreign people, Gosho and his team answer these demands.

A poll published in the Conan Doriru :

Characters Points
1. Edogawa Conan 1485 p.
2. Kudô Shinichi 1327 p.
3. Haibara Ai 1159 p.
4. Hattori Heiji 1038 p.
5. Môri Ran 875 p.
6. Kid 834 p.
7. Toyama Kazuha 743 p.
8. Takagi Wataru 545 p.
9. Sato Miwako 498 p.
10. Agasa 414 p.
11. Sherry 370 p.
12. Kudô Yusaku 355 p.
13. Kyôgoku Makoto 295 p.
14. Matsuda 281 p.
15. Gin 252 p.
16. Akai Shuichi 235 p.
17. Môri Kogoro 194 p.
18. Suzuki Sonoko 187 p.
19. Kisaki Eri 168 p.
20. Kudô Yukiko 145 p.

If we don't count Ai/Sherry/Shiho as BO. The only actual BO member in the top 20 is Gin. And the Japanese even prefer characters like Matsuda or Makoto which barely appear !

Despite being unpopular here, the DB appear a lot to attract the young audience (which probably didn't answer this poll), also Ai is usually with them to attract the other fans.

You have a very distinct and solid point. I was thinking of this when you posted. Do you have the link to this website?

Unfortunately, I guess the more BO the closer we are to the end. And that is a bitter-sweet thought. Plus, people like character interaction more than plot. I guess it gets too serious.

I guess I'm just personally anxious to see how it all pans out. I hope it's good too.

I don't have a link to the Doriru as I can't find it. But I took this poll (april 2003, the results may have changed a bit since then) from an article written by a french girl who lives in Japan and buys the magazine and the data books., so I think it's quite reliable.

I agree with that, the amount of threads and posts dedicated to couples on this website seems to confirm this tendancy.

Me too. But I'm patient.  ;D

[Dus]

Ai isn't first on that poll? You have no taste, Japan!

And you're using the same sources as me for your info, apparently.

[soratothamax]

@Wakarimashita

And I admit, when I first came in the beginning, I was the main feeder of coupling, though I originally watched DC for the mystery. Now I've given up on couplings because...well, they cause fan wars. And I hate fans wars. Giving a coupling opinion is like starting a WWIII.

Though I admit the only reason I liked Haibara in the first place is because I love the BO. I guess I'm a different fan than some in the polls. I love me some BO, all of the characters. They are inspirational for a BA syndicate.

But I get the feeling something about Okiya is coming up soon. They usually do Mouri case then Dboys case then Mouri Case then DBoys case, in that order. So hopefull, the next one is plot related.

[Wakarimashita]

@Wakarimashita

And I admit, when I first came in the beginning, I was the main feeder of coupling, though I originally watched DC for the mystery. Now I've given up on couplings because...well, they cause fan wars. And I hate fans wars. Giving a coupling opinion is like starting a WWIII.

Though I admit the only reason I liked Haibara in the first place is because I love the BO. I guess I'm a different fan than some in the polls. I love me some BO, all of the characters. They are inspirational for a BA syndicate.

But I get the feeling something about Okiya is coming up soon. They usually do Mouri case then Dboys case then Mouri Case then DBoys case, in that order. So hopefull, the next one is plot related.

I know, I used to read your long posts concerning couples in the AiCon thread !  ;D I don't like fan wars either, I'm quite neutral concerning couples, a lit is fine, too much is annoying. I'm personally still following this manga for the mystery anyway.

Same goes for me concerning the BO members, they are among my favorite, if not my favorite, characters.

I think we will get BO/FBI soon as well, the more or less direct confontations usually come out at that time of the year in the manga/anime, at least when they don't change the airing order (129, 176-178, 309-311, 345, 425, 462-465, Clash of Red and Black beginning, 563-564).

[soratothamax]

@Wakarimashita

And I admit, when I first came in the beginning, I was the main feeder of coupling, though I originally watched DC for the mystery. Now I've given up on couplings because...well, they cause fan wars. And I hate fans wars. Giving a coupling opinion is like starting a WWIII.

Though I admit the only reason I liked Haibara in the first place is because I love the BO. I guess I'm a different fan than some in the polls. I love me some BO, all of the characters. They are inspirational for a BA syndicate.

But I get the feeling something about Okiya is coming up soon. They usually do Mouri case then Dboys case then Mouri Case then DBoys case, in that order. So hopefull, the next one is plot related.

I know, I used to read your long posts concerning couples in the AiCon thread !  I don't like fan wars either, I'm quite neutral concerning couples, a lit is fine, too much is annoying. I'm personally still following this manga for the mystery anyway.

Same goes for me concerning the BO members, they are among my favorite, if not my favorite, characters.

I think we will get BO/FBI soon as well, the more or less direct confontations usually come out at that time of the year in the manga/anime, at least when they don't change the airing order (129, 176-178, 309-311, 345, 425, 462-465, Clash of Red and Black beginning, 563-564).

Oh yea, and I hope something like Clash of Red and Black comes back. If we get some more Okiya coverage I'd be happy. Maybe Conan follows Okiya to a mysterious place or something...

lol I used to be a true Ai/coner to the limit! lol But I'm becoming more neutral too.

What really makes me believe something is going to come up soon is because Haibara is getting more and more bold in talking to him. does that mean she is getting more comfortable? Or facing her fears more? There used to be a time she barely talked to Okiya. But in the last file she was in, she showed more courage than usual.

[User 4869]

I think Haibara talk back to Okiya not because she's more bold (although It's can interpret that way). I think because Gosho need someone to point out that Okiya keep looking at Agasa's house and only Haibara capable in doing that. Conan trust Okiya and probably know why Okiya look and won't point it out. DB and Agasa are not much considerate. Haibara is, and it goes with her "mistrustful" character. So I don't think Gosho try to convey that Haibara is bolder.

About the poll, since the poll taken in 2003 before Party showdown case. I think BO highlight is very limit in that point. people like Akai and Vermouth still mysterious and haven't do anything awesome. since 335 Secret of the Tohto Film Development Studio (September 2003) it was set up that BO take action and spy on them (actually it's FBI too). So things get more tense and may change people's opinion about them but we did't see that opinion.

[soratothamax]

True, she was used as the "voice" because it seemed only logical to use her for that moment. Though I'm sure even if she had silently suspected something like she normally did, he would have explained the reason why he found out why they hadn't come home. Though she asked more questions. Normally, when Okiya does random things, like in the Ikkaku Rock case, Haibara just silently questions it to herself. But I guess with this file it needed to be pointed out to him.