Files 743-752 Discussion Thread

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Thankfully the move worked.

•The strawberry from the very first page: Does it have any significance as a symbol?

I think that chapter said it was merely a plot device to get the London ball rolling.

•Why did Diana Kingston make contact with Kogoro? Why was she in Japan in the first place?
•Who exactly IS Diana Kingston? What was the purpose of that meeting in the hotel?

According to Ran and Agasa, possibly a member of the royal family, a noble, or a friend of such a person. Other than that, ?

•What was the reason for Hades to use a biblical name for his code?

Use/abuse of Christian symbolism and concepts for extra drama and to provide a foreign (to Japanese) flavor to the mystery?

•Why did all the main characters in this arc have names from Roman or Greek mythology?

Red herring or Gosho stinks at coming up with normal sounding English names so he tried to use a template?

•What about Hestia?

Verified dead in a suicide bombing with DNA evidence.

•Ai seemed way too willing to give Conan the antidote. And did she really stay at Ayumi's?

Haibara wouldn't want Shinichi to get stuck in London. I assume Haibara did stay at Ayumi's as she is afraid of Okiya. If Haibara didn't stay at Ayumi's and it was important to the plot, Ayumi should have said something to alert the readers and avoid an arsepull. (warning TV tropes!)

•If she did, how did she learn that Yukiko was in Tokyo? Why did she choose her as a messenger?

Good questions. Many people want to know this. Unfortunately Gosho hasn't provided us with details.

•Was Yukiko the only one to come to Japan? Why was the strange young man staying at the Kudo's house not mentioned during the arc?

Yukiko implied Yuusaku was in Japan too. As for why, that's another good question. Maybe they were on the run from publishers, and or Shinichi told them about Okiya staying over and they were staying elsewhere. I wish Gosho actually gave us some info about this scenario because the logistics could potentially be theoretically or plot important if we knew some of the details. The way it stands without any clarification, it's like Gosho wants us to overlook and ignore it.

•Yusaku hasn't been in Tokyo for ages. So why was he in London and didn't even speak to his son?

At first, Conan assumed Yuusaku was in London for Hades' case but that wasn't so. He started in Tokyo with Yukiko and then came to London because Haibara asked them to give Shinichi an antidote.

•Conan noticed that Yukiko was speaking in some dialect at some point. Why?

Yukiko used the Tosa dialect to soften up a witness in 41-2. (Kagami is in Tosa.) She referencing this past case.

Did Okiya really make too much curry? Is his curry any good?

Maybe he did or maybe it was the first excuse he could come up with. As for the second part,

Haibara looks a little sketched out.

[Dus]

Thankfully the move worked.

•The strawberry from the very first page: Does it have any significance as a symbol?

I think that chapter said it was merely a plot device to get the London ball rolling.

I expected the strawberry theme to be picked up some time later, but it wasn't. That scene just seemed overly dramatic.

•Why did Diana Kingston make contact with Kogoro? Why was she in Japan in the first place?
•Who exactly IS Diana Kingston? What was the purpose of that meeting in the hotel?

According to Ran and Agasa, possibly a member of the royal family, a noble, or a friend of such a person. Other than that, ?

Yes, but she obviously isn't the Queen or someone else Conan should be able to recognize. And don't you think it's weird they were like "So she's royalty? Meh, we have to leave anyway." And it's just as note-worthy that the only person who attended that conference was Kogoro, whose English isn't very good. And that Diana knew about Baritsu, you have to be quite a Holmes enthusiast if that's the first martial art you can think of.

•What was the reason for Hades to use a biblical name for his code?

Use/abuse of Christian symbolism and concepts for extra drama and to provide a foreign (to Japanese) flavor to the mystery?

Again, it wasn't picked up later on. If that was Gosho's intention then he should have made it more obvious. I don't think most average Japanese readers are familiar with the Book of Revelation.

•Why did all the main characters in this arc have names from Roman or Greek mythology?

Red herring or Gosho stinks at coming up with normal sounding English names so he tried to use a template?

Could be a red herring, but it didn't really lead us anywhere. And he came up with fairly normal-sounding Western names in previous cases.

•What about Hestia?

Verified dead in a suicide bombing with DNA evidence.

Alright, forgot about that.

•Ai seemed way too willing to give Conan the antidote. And did she really stay at Ayumi's?

Haibara wouldn't want Shinichi to get stuck in London. I assume Haibara did stay at Ayumi's as she is afraid of Okiya. If Haibara didn't stay at Ayumi's and it was important to the plot, Ayumi should have said something to alert the readers and avoid an arsepull. (warning TV tropes!)

She's not as afraid of him as she used to be. Also, that fear would be quite irrational, since she's not much safer with just the professor around. And I find it curious that Ayumi didn't mention Ai staying at her house for the past three days, when that is clearly ooc for her.

•Yusaku hasn't been in Tokyo for ages. So why was he in London and didn't even speak to his son?

At first, Conan assumed Yuusaku was in London for Hades' case but that wasn't so. He started in Tokyo with Yukiko and then came to London because Haibara asked them to give Shinichi an antidote.

Which Yukiko could have brought to him on her own - and effectively she did - while Yusaku waited for them in Japan.

•Conan noticed that Yukiko was speaking in some dialect at some point. Why?

Yukiko used the Tosa dialect to soften up a witness in 41-2. (Kagami is in Tosa.) She referencing this past case.

I was reminded of that case as well, but I didn't get it.

Did Okiya really make too much curry? Is his curry any good?

Maybe he did or maybe it was the first excuse he could come up with. As for the second part,

Haibara looks a little sketched out.

Or Ai doesn't like curry, having grown up in another country.

[Abs.]

•Why did all the main characters in this arc have names from Roman or Greek mythology?

Red herring or Gosho stinks at coming up with normal sounding English names so he tried to use a template?

My opinion on this is that Aoyama wanted to throw something educational in there for, perhaps, the younger readers so they could be familiar, at least a bit, with Western Mythology - they would know that Ares and Minerva and Apollo and Hades have something to do with each other, etc.

•Conan noticed that Yukiko was speaking in some dialect at some point. Why?

To me, it was satisfaction/case solved for those of us who remembered that Yukiko speaks Tosa-ben - an advance reward for those readers before the official "mask off"

Did Okiya really make too much curry? Is his curry any good?

Maybe he did or maybe it was the first excuse he could come up with. As for the second part,

Haibara looks a little sketched out.

Or Ai doesn't like curry, having grown up in another country.

Blasphemy.

[Dus]

•Why did all the main characters in this arc have names from Roman or Greek mythology?

Red herring or Gosho stinks at coming up with normal sounding English names so he tried to use a template?

My opinion on this is that Aoyama wanted to throw something educational in there for, perhaps, the younger readers so they could be familiar, at least a bit, with Western Mythology - they would know that Ares and Minerva and Apollo and Hades have something to do with each other, etc.

Which would only work if they knew at least one of the names beforehand and went through the trouble of researching the rest. Not really educational. If he wanted to educate his readers then he would have pointed it out.

•Conan noticed that Yukiko was speaking in some dialect at some point. Why?

To me, it was satisfaction/case solved for those of us who remembered that Yukiko speaks Tosa-ben - an advance reward for those readers before the official "mask off"

Only she doesn't, she faked that accent back then. And as an actress she would speak standard Japanese.

Did Okiya really make too much curry? Is his curry any good?

Maybe he did or maybe it was the first excuse he could come up with. As for the second part,

Haibara looks a little sketched out.

Or Ai doesn't like curry, having grown up in another country.

Blasphemy.

D:

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

•Conan noticed that Yukiko was speaking in some dialect at some point. Why?

To me, it was satisfaction/case solved for those of us who remembered that Yukiko speaks Tosa-ben - an advance reward for those readers before the official "mask off"

Only she doesn't, she faked that accent back then. And as an actress she would speak standard Japanese.

She was faking it this time too. It was her little inside joke with Conan right before she pulled off the disguise.

[Dus]

I just didn't find the joke all that funny.

[Abs.]

I thought it was awesome.  But then again, I realized it was Tosa-ben before Conan told us it was Tosa-ben 

[Dus]

Yeah, it's probably funnier if you speak the dialect or can somehow tell she's speaking a dialect.

[soratothamax]

You can move individual posts with mod powers? I wanna be able to do that as well.

The London arc, while disappointing overall, did raise a number of interesting questions, that haven't been discussed sufficiently imho, and at least some of them should be put in the initial posts:

• The strawberry from the very first page: Does it have any significance as a symbol?
• Why did Diana Kingston make contact with Kogoro? Why was she in Japan in the first place?
• Who exactly IS Diana Kingston? What was the purpose of that meeting in the hotel?
• What was the reason for Hades to use a biblical name for his code?
• Why did all the main characters in this arc have names from Roman or Greek mythology?
• What about Hestia?
• Ai seemed way too willing to give Conan the antidote. And did she really stay at Ayumi's?
• If she did, how did she learn that Yukiko was in Tokyo? Why did she choose her as a messenger?
• Was Yukiko the only one to come to Japan? Why was the strange young man staying at the Kudo's house not mentioned during the arc?
• Yusaku hasn't been in Tokyo for ages. So why was he in London and didn't even speak to his son?
• Conan noticed that Yukiko was speaking in some dialect at some point. Why?
• Did Okiya really make too much curry? Is his curry any good?

All of these make me think that there will be a significant aftermath to this arc, some time in the future.

Yea, true, you have a point. The case made me think about the aftermath of the case. It's just I would've had questions even if it had been in Japan. It just...well....to me, it was just not as good as the other case when they went out of town, the New York Case. Even the confession was kind of bleh. Like, no candlelight dinner? At least a confession under the London Eye or looking at a beautiful scenery. It was just kind of...thrown in there to me. It all seemed to forced.

But it did leave room for questions. And I was happy to see my favorite male character Yusaku Kudo! Even if we only see him once every full blue moon, he's still my favorite.

[Eve]

You can move individual posts with mod powers? I wanna be able to do that as well.

The London arc, while disappointing overall, did raise a number of interesting questions, that haven't been discussed sufficiently imho, and at least some of them should be put in the initial posts:

• The strawberry from the very first page: Does it have any significance as a symbol?
• Why did Diana Kingston make contact with Kogoro? Why was she in Japan in the first place?
• Who exactly IS Diana Kingston? What was the purpose of that meeting in the hotel?
• What was the reason for Hades to use a biblical name for his code?
• Why did all the main characters in this arc have names from Roman or Greek mythology?
• What about Hestia?
• Ai seemed way too willing to give Conan the antidote. And did she really stay at Ayumi's?
• If she did, how did she learn that Yukiko was in Tokyo? Why did she choose her as a messenger?
• Was Yukiko the only one to come to Japan? Why was the strange young man staying at the Kudo's house not mentioned during the arc?
• Yusaku hasn't been in Tokyo for ages. So why was he in London and didn't even speak to his son?
• Conan noticed that Yukiko was speaking in some dialect at some point. Why?
• Did Okiya really make too much curry? Is his curry any good?

All of these make me think that there will be a significant aftermath to this arc, some time in the future.

Yea, true, you have a point. The case made me think about the aftermath of the case. It's just I would've had questions even if it had been in Japan. It just...well....to me, it was just not as good as the other case when they went out of town, the New York Case. Even the confession was kind of bleh. Like, no candlelight dinner? At least a confession under the London Eye or looking at a beautiful scenery. It was just kind of...thrown in there to me. It all seemed to forced.

But it did leave room for questions. And I was happy to see my favorite male character Yusaku Kudo! Even if we only see him once every full blue moon, he's still my favorite.

Yes, I have to agree with you on the "forced" feeling I'm getting from this case.... I was expecting some really great development, especially with Diana, I mean she's just not natural. Then Boom, in conclusion, after all the OOC we went through, Diana herself was OOC.....