Files 743-752 Discussion Thread

[Laurell]

All this red T-shirts case bashing. It wasn't that bad of a case, a tad easy, but all the clues fell into place, and there was only one clue on a ridiculous level: the red shoulder smudge which we had to figure out was lipstick and meant the bomber rode the train and that the bombs were not real although the steaming bombs gave it away. The BO presence in the case was great for theory busting. It ruled out scar Akai being anyone we had seen before and gave some background on him. It also pointed out some serious future complications Conan may have to face, like scar Akai knowing Kogoro's phone number offhand. But yeah, nothing happened in terms of the other BO members except Chianti freaking out.

Note to anyone reading this looking for London case solution theories: go back three pages and scroll down and keep reading from there.

The mystery wasn't bad at all, I just hated to see Chianti act retarded (despite the fact that she is retarded) by putting her sniper rifle out of the window the entire time. Now, I know she didn't have a choice, she HAD to snipe from that building, it was the only way but still, couldn't she have kept her rifle behind the window at least? Also, I found it stupid how no one aside from Okiya, failed to notice an exposed sniper directly across their building. I mean, I know this is anime and it isn't supposed to be real or anything but this the BO were talking about. I love these guys... The mystery was okay, and majority of the Bo scenes were nicely done especially when Scar Akai passed Camel in the washroom (Jodie chasing Shu seemed a bit off though, looked better in the manga) I expected more from a BO case with the heading "A rapid development in the men and black series". I never said that the mystery was horrible, I mean't that it was a horrible BO case. I had a problem with the OCC BO action in it. Sorry if I mixed you guys up. Anyway, imo, this bo case was horrible when compared to the previous ones. And yes, when it comes to the BO, my expectations are always fixed at high standards.

I guess the last BO case was a cliff hanger since there were some mysteries unsolved. But I guess that's for something BIG in the future. Who knows? The next BO case might be a development.

With regards to the London arc, I find it interesting though it's too long. London is one of the countries that I wanted to visit and Gosho gave me a glimpse of it. The time that this arc commenced, I've learned that there are egg-shaped and cucumber-shaped buildings in London. And the Sherlock Holmes reference, they're fantastic. It may be a bit boring as of now for the others, but if the ending will be satisfying, I guess they would retract their words.

[Memesu]

I rather enjoy the London case. The tennis aspect is different, which is nice. While I think football (soccer) or baseball fit better in the DC world, tennis is a nice change of pace.
My personal annoyance with the case is the abrupt end to the whole Ran/Sinichi love scenario. Gosho simply sidestepped the whole subject in the following case by having Sinichi revert back into Conan.
The case however unrealistic is good. I'm a Homles fan so whenever Conan Doyle's work is mentioned it pleases me. I think Gosho is tackling too many ideas in this arc that are not being sufficiently answered. Hopefully in the next file or two they will be properly answered and start an exciting chapter into the DC universe.

Well, when you put it that way....

[caribou]

I rather enjoy the London case. The tennis aspect is different, which is nice. While I think football (soccer) or baseball fit better in the DC world, tennis is a nice change of pace.
My personal annoyance with the case is the abrupt end to the whole Ran/Sinichi love scenario. Gosho simply sidestepped the whole subject in the following case by having Sinichi revert back into Conan.
The case however unrealistic is good. I'm a Homles fan so whenever Conan Doyle's work is mentioned it pleases me. I think Gosho is tackling too many ideas in this arc that are not being sufficiently answered. Hopefully in the next file or two they will be properly answered and start an exciting chapter into the DC universe.

i liked that Gosho went into tennis, too. i love footy but there's been a lot of it in DC already.. (and, football + Holmes related clues + London all in one case?? Conan might get over excited and do more stupid things, haha)

i will hold out hope that this case will have more exciting developments. (Abs' post was just so convincing!)

back to the case, any one think that Ares will eventually figure out what's going on and play a part in knocking Hades out?

[jean-doyle1412]

I rather enjoy the London case. The tennis aspect is different, which is nice. While I think football (soccer) or baseball fit better in the DC world, tennis is a nice change of pace.
My personal annoyance with the case is the abrupt end to the whole Ran/Sinichi love scenario. Gosho simply sidestepped the whole subject in the following case by having Sinichi revert back into Conan.
The case however unrealistic is good. I'm a Homles fan so whenever Conan Doyle's work is mentioned it pleases me. I think Gosho is tackling too many ideas in this arc that are not being sufficiently answered. Hopefully in the next file or two they will be properly answered and start an exciting chapter into the DC universe.

i liked that Gosho went into tennis, too. i love footy but there's been a lot of it in DC already.. (and, football + Holmes related clues + London all in one case?? Conan might get over excited and do more stupid things, haha)

i will hold out hope that this case will have more exciting developments. (Abs' post was just so convincing!)

back to the case, any one think that Ares will eventually figure out what's going on and play a part in knocking Hades out?

"Conan might get over excited and do stupid stuff" lol, you forget that he's already done stupid stuff this case like accidentally reveal that he's in london, take the pill for his trip back, made Ran cry... AGAIN, and some many more examples (and that's all just from one chapter X3)

[ArkAngel]

Spoiler: File 749 pg 14

That also wasn't a smart idea. Not because he interrupted Minerva during the service.

Do you think the japanese media would make a little report about that which is: "7-year old japanese boy yells at the Queen of the court during her service at Wimbledon finals!"
If yes and if Gin or another BO member see that report, they would recognized him, you know they saw him in episode 425 while trying to kill Kogoro. They'll get the idea that that brat isn't a normal one and start to further investigate Kogoro and his surroundings. Thus Conan's cover would be blown off soon.
Result: Huge BO-case or even end of the series 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Do you think the japanese media would make a little report about that which is: "7-year old japanese boy yells at the Queen of the court during her service at Wimbledon finals!"
If yes and if Gin or another BO member see that report, they would recognized him, you know they saw him in episode 425 while trying to kill Kogoro. They'll get the idea that that brat isn't a normal one and start to further investigate Kogoro and his surroundings. Thus Conan's cover would be blown off soon.
Result: Huge BO-case or even end of the series  :-\

The Japanese media already have picked up on Conan and the gang. Conan has been on the front page of many a newspaper and even a TV program due to his matches with Kaito Kid. Conan was also on TV for dismantling the bomb in Touto tower back in the Matsuda redux case. If even an exam proctor was paying attention to the situation with a radio, then someone in the BO had to be watching. If the BO can't get the hint after all that media exposure I'm pretty sure Conan is safe.

[Introuble]

Spoiler: File 749 pg 14

That also wasn't a smart idea. Not because he interrupted Minerva during the service.

Do you think the japanese media would make a little report about that which is: "7-year old japanese boy yells at the Queen of the court during her service at Wimbledon finals!"
If yes and if Gin or another BO member see that report, they would recognized him, you know they saw him in episode 425 while trying to kill Kogoro. They'll get the idea that that brat isn't a normal one and start to further investigate Kogoro and his surroundings. Thus Conan's cover would be blown off soon.
Result: Huge BO-case or even end of the series  :-\

Nah, If one high ranking BO official (Gin) can't even count/remember the number of people he's killed can you imagine how much the Org as a group have killed? Look, it's not like they're keeping tabs on each on every single person they've killed. Seriously, this a killing machine which has been left on for the past 50 years to operate. And if one mere BO official can't even remember the names of the people he's killed? Gosh, what more two? What more the entire Org? With their snipers, high ranking officials, spies, assassins and snipers? Not to mention, considering the possibility that this is an international Org makes things a lot worse. Take note, Shinichi has been killed by Gin, a man who's known not to fail, what's more, he was confirmed dead....twice. And take note, Shinichi Kudo was never an intentional target for the Org, he was just a mere person who had seen something he shouldn't have. He's barely even a threat to these guys (through their point of view). Besides, a kid. A KID, with established connections all around him, a family, a circle of friends etc. No matter how similar, it's plain stupid for these guys to even assume that (considering Shinichi's status through their point of view + his new body). What's more, the obvious fact that they're not even "monitoring his movements closely" makes things even safer for him. The Org are probably only keeping tabs on people who prove to be a threat against them, dead but missing or missing , the Org will keep tabs on people such as Sherry. But look, keeping close tabs on a Detective who wasn't even a target in the first place who just happened to witness a small deal they conducted is stupid, considering that he's been confirmed dead and the fact that there are thousands of people that the Org have killed. Why him? Out of all those several thousands of people? And if he were alive so what? He merely witnessed a small deal? What else can he do? He doesn't know anything about them. God, if these guys are so paranoid of this High School Dude who witnessed a small deal, man they are weird considering all the facts left on the table. If these guys are actually so paranoid over a mere witness then they should have killed all people like him, like that Numabuchi serial killer dude who was actually a part of them once upon a time. Don't worry , Conan's safe, unless he does something extreeeemly stupid or exposes his identity while investigating the Organization.

[scineram]

There is no reason to assume the culprit is recording the victim all the time. From what Conan said it is obvious that she will have to toss the ball down championship point.

[Wakarimashita]

Spoiler: File 751

Now that the whole file is available, I must say I agree, for once, with some of the comments which were made on the DCTP Spoilers Chatbox (though they were based on 3 or 4 pictures). This file seriously lacks everything but tennis and there's no real progression : seeing Hades monologuing is getting a bit repetitive. I hope 752 at least begins to unravel all this.

[ArkAngel]

Nah, If one high ranking BO official (Gin) can't even count/remember the number of people he's killed can you imagine how much the Org as a group have killed? Look, it's not like they're keeping tabs on each on every single person they've killed. Seriously, this a killing machine which has been left on for the past 50 years to operate. And if one mere BO official can't even remember the names of the people he's killed? Gosh, what more two? What more the entire Org? With their snipers, high ranking officials, spies, assassins and snipers?

Sure it's highly unlikely that they are keeping tabs about everyone they have killed. But only related to the episode 425: Along with Gin there were Vermouth, Chianti, Korn and Vodka on the roof, trying to kill Kogoro. I assume that Vodka has a good memory because he called Gin in episode 345 after Shinichi appeared on the ship. So why shouldn't he remember that kid with glasses from back then if he sees some reports about him on TV?

Not to mention, considering the possibility that this is an international Org makes things a lot worse. Take note, Shinichi has been killed by Gin, a man who's known not to fail, what's more, he was confirmed dead....twice. And take note, Shinichi Kudo was never an intentional target for the Org, he was just a mere person who had seen something he shouldn't have. He's barely even a threat to these guys (through their point of view). Besides, a kid. A KID, with established connections all around him, a family, a circle of friends etc. No matter how similar, it's plain stupid for these guys to even assume that (considering Shinichi's status through their point of view + his new body).

I don't say that they think something like: "That brat is often involved in cases. He may be Kudo Shinichi." That would be indeed stupid.
It's that, if they get suspicious about him, because he's involved in so many cases, including one with Org-involvement, they may check his past, finding out that he has none and even doesn't exists. It will certainly occur to them that Conan's friends (Ran, Kogoro, Agasa) are the same one Shinichi used to deal with and that the day Conan has appeared is the same day Shinichi has disappeared.
Also they should know that in the test series of APTX with mice, while Sherry was still working for them, some mice were shrunk. Then it is not far from the thought that Conan = Shinichi.

What's more, the obvious fact that they're not even "monitoring his movements closely" makes things even safer for him. The Org are probably only keeping tabs on people who prove to be a threat against them, dead but missing or missing , the Org will keep tabs on people such as Sherry. But look, keeping close tabs on a Detective who wasn't even a target in the first place who just happened to witness a small deal they conducted is stupid, considering that he's been confirmed dead and the fact that there are thousands of people that the Org have killed. Why him? Out of all those several thousands of people? And if he were alive so what? He merely witnessed a small deal? What else can he do? He doesn't know anything about them. God, if these guys are so paranoid of this High School Dude who witnessed a small deal, man they are weird considering all the facts left on the table. If these guys are actually so paranoid over a mere witness then they should have killed all people like him, like that Numabuchi serial killer dude who was actually a part of them once upon a time.

Sure they didn't keep a close eye on Shinichi. There's no significant reason for as you stated. But if the scenario I explained (I mean investigate his past and so on) would occur, he's someone who has survived a murder attempt wich is rare if the attempt is performed by the Org or especially by Gin. They'll come to kill him and all the others but before interrogate him to find out what he knows.

Don't worry , Conan's safe, unless he does something extreeeemly stupid or exposes his identity while investigating the Organization.

Actually I'm not worrying. I'm hoping for a big, exciting BO-case.

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Spoiler: File 751

Now that the whole file is available, I must say I agree, for once, with some of the comments which were made on the DCTP Spoilers Chatbox (though they were based on 3 or 4 pictures). This file seriously lacks everything but tennis and there's no real progression : seeing Hades monologuing is getting a bit repetitive. I hope 752 at least begins to unravel all this.

Spoiler:

Dude,
I'm really enjoying this file! 
Though there is no progress in the case at all but the rally was the most exciting I have ever seen. No Roger Federer vs Rafael Nadal match could top it!
There's is a illogical situation.
If I understood correctly the it's 6:7 for Bauer, it's the third set and the rally would be, if Bauer wins, the last one of the match (probably score says something like 30:40 for Bauer). If Minerva makes a fault the match is over.
On page 8 of the file Bauer hit the ball accidentally with the frame of her racket what causes the ball to fly very high and it looks like it'll be out. Minerva is still standing at the base line of the field. If the ball goes out it will be a point for her so why did she return it?
Maybe I misunderstood the situation. I only could conclude out of the pictures because I can't read japanese or chinese or whatever language the file I saw was in. 

[Kor]

Let's see....we had a:
Soccer case
Baseball case
Now a Tennis case

So we're still missing a Basketball case, and if Conan gets to go to the US again, we'll probably see a Football case too........though I doubt another US visit will happen, so leave that out.



I'm fairly certain that at the Basketball case, we'll see the die-hard basketball fans, Gin and Vodka, at the audience cheering for their favorite team 

[GinRei]

I'm fairly certain that at the Basketball case, we'll see the die-hard basketball fans, Gin and Vodka, at the audience cheering for their favorite team 

I'd see Gin as more of a football fan.  Guys trying to kill each other, all over a piece of inflated pork?  Constant injuries?  Seems right up his alley.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Now that the whole file is available, I must say I agree, for once, with some of the comments which were made on the DCTP Spoilers Chatbox (though they were based on 3 or 4 pictures). This file seriously lacks everything but tennis and there's no real progression : seeing Hades monologuing is getting a bit repetitive. I hope 752 at least begins to unravel all this.

It's pretty rare to get an action/suspense only file. As predicted, Conan is trying to find Hades by examining the audience for someone who is not following the action. The lack of mystery to solve is sad, but I don't mind this type of file occasionally.

Sure it's highly unlikely that they are keeping tabs about everyone they have killed. But only related to the episode 425: Along with Gin there were Vermouth, Chianti, Korn and Vodka on the roof, trying to kill Kogoro. I assume that Vodka has a good memory because he called Gin in episode 345 after Shinichi appeared on the ship. So why shouldn't he remember that kid with glasses from back then if he sees some reports about him on TV?

It's been so long since the incident and Conan has been on TV and the newspapers since then for being clever and yet nothing has happened.

Don't worry , Conan's safe, unless he does something extreeeemly stupid or exposes his identity while investigating the Organization.

Actually I'm not worrying. I'm hoping for a big, exciting BO-case.

I'm hoping Bourbon tries to go fishing for reactions in front of Kogoro like he did with Jodie and Camel and wonders why the kid instead of the detective is freaking out.

[JohnTitor]

Spoiler: File 751

Now that the whole file is available, I must say I agree, for once, with some of the comments which were made on the DCTP Spoilers Chatbox (though they were based on 3 or 4 pictures). This file seriously lacks everything but tennis and there's no real progression : seeing Hades monologuing is getting a bit repetitive. I hope 752 at least begins to unravel all this.

Spoiler: 751

It's pretty rare to get an action/suspense only file. As predicted, Conan is trying to find Hades by examining the audience for someone who is not following the action. The lack of mystery to solve is sad, but I don't mind this type of file occasionally.

Well...

Spoiler:

You know... it's quite refreshing. Maybe Gosho just wanted to draw more Minerva or what... BUT I can't believe the mysterious woman hasn't made an appearance again since like several chapters ago... just what is Gosho thinking with this storytelling pace, hurrying in the first chapters then slowing down... until it becomes the longest case ever in DC's history...

[Conan 48:69]

Gosho buying too much time for London Case since this is history in the making, Shonen Sunday had SS#1 to 52 every year, File 751 is SS#45, I think from London case to return trip will end before or at SS#52, which is the longest chapter up to File 758 (if no break within that).

Gin said "One who you wish only exist in novel, a great detective like Sherlock Holmes" in File 704, Vodka knows Akai was involved in bank robbery case from news. Then Conan self-proclaimed Holmes' apprentice in London, will this scene broadcast live on TV or reported in news. In other word is to let this London case be the hints for future BO case, make Gin notices this Holmes' apprentice phrase as Conan since Gin saw Conan and Kogoro before then Gin will sure that they are related to FBI.