Ch. 687: Shiratori's Memories

[Kristantei]

I just finished reading the latest case file. I feel a bit sad for Shiratori, but his basis for targeting Satou is rather lame. It's still kind of cute fora memory. I'm with Haibara. How could he of been sure that the girls from his past is Satou.
I was almost with him when I heard Ayumi ask for the straw wrappers. I thought we would later find out that it would be something she learned from Satou at some point. That was before I heard what Ayumi say to that lady who appeared in this recent case.
I also had the same thought as Conan about the Gomera movies. When I saw the ticket that said, "FINAL". I was thinking that wasn't that what they said about the last Gomera movie they made in that case years ago.
Did strike me as odd that Haibara was freaked out by the guts in Gomera. Who knew she could be so cute? She used to be in an evil organization to develop a drug. I would of thought she would of dissected the mice they experimented on. It reminds me of that line Tom Hanks used in the movie A League of Their Own. "There's no crying in baseball!" To Haibara I say, "There's no getting scared in evil organizations!"

I think I will take this time to go over my case thoughts. I am right now working on VERY basic information. In the next chapter something could every well happen to put things into a different light. I'm only working with one suspect right now, with a possible stalker in the mix.

I did notice that while Agasa couldn't come and bought the tickets online. There was no gap in seating with the kids. This wouldn't too odd from most people at the movies, but judging from all the conversation, and the image of Shiratori's ticket, I'm assuming that in this theater the seating is assigned.  Since there was no gap where the kids were sitting I'm guessing that Agasa bought the tickets online after he realized he wouldn't be able to go.
Here in the US I know most up scale movie theaters are using computers to calculate how many seats that are sold. This is used mainly to to the advent of online ticket purchases. It's to prevent over selling tickets for a certain showing. That is one of the reasons while I was actually a bit surprised that the ticket we saw in Shiratori's hands didn't show a time for that movie.  Your average movie ticket shows the movies name, theater number, and movie time. This is actually the first time I have ever seen assigned seating for a movie. Where I am it's always been a first come, first served deal with the seating. I doubt the seating is done at random by the computer either. That would make an awkward date if you are a couple rows away from each other.

I think I'm going to talk about this murder. I don't have a name on him yet, but it's easy to tell that he was killed by a possible multiple blunt force trauma strikes to the back left side of his head. Judging from the blood he hasn't moved since he was hit on the head. Blood is subject to gravity and the directionality of the blood flow can tell you of a victim's movements.  Since the blood is flowing generally downward it doesn't appear he's moved from that spot. There is also no disruption in the blood pool's flow. Not even smearing near his hand, holding the phone. Though I should point out in the last page. The first panel shows his hand in the blood pool, but in the third panel it's just outside of it.
There is some blood splatter on his brow and it seems like there is some on the back of his jacket. That's also consistent with the angle his head is currently in. As if he was glancing over his shoulder at his attacker at first.
Though I'm guessing the cause of death may be blood loss.

It seems that a 'stalker' will be the initial suspect for now. Though anyone else see a similarity in that case of this unknown stalker from the case with Eri and her Olympic medalist friend? Though that theme was also used in the case with those TV stars that involved Yoko at that throat cutting in case, but I digress.
Looking at the condition of the room. The door is locked with a bolt style lock that is only locked and unlocked from the outside with a key, or locked from the inside by hand after the door is shut. There is a mail slot, but a closed cabinet to hold the mail. The inside of the locked didn't seem to have any blood on it. That would seem to imply the door wasn't locked on the inside by the boyfriend, but we haven't seen both his hands. With any lack of a blood trail leading from the door and the body it would be very unlikely there could be a claim of a fight with an attacker and he locked the door before passing out, but like I said before. The blood on his forehead doesn't change direction. If you thought that some person was stalking your girlfriend would invite them in, let alone turn your back on them like that.

Now for right now I'm only going to say IF this lady, Kasakura Nami, is the killer of her boyfriend. I believe that call Conan noticed was a part of her alibi. She will claim that the call was from her boyfriend to give the impression that he was still alive while she was at the movies. Time of death is normally estimated between a few hours, but if the police suspect that the call was made to her during the movie they will assume the call log on the phone his time of death.
I seriously doubt it was just a coincidence that she got her seat right next to Shiratori. I noticed that she recognized the kids. If my current theory is correct I believe that she purposely left her wallet on the ticket booth. For a trick like this one to work she would need someone to come with her to be with her at the movie and serve as an alibi. I believe that she was hoping that is was going to be an adult. Surely a person who would be kind enough to return a wallet would show interest if she was being stalked. Though since it was kids she couldn't, or wouldn't use them as alibi witnesses. That could of been when she noticed them talking with Shiratori. It did strike me as odd that such a lovely woman would attend a monster movie like Gomera, unless she's some kind of fan over the year of the movies. Shiratori only bought his ticket by accident. It's also possible that she purposely bumped into him to cause his drink to spill to be a reason to strike up a conversation with and make a connection. She also most likely shows Ayumi that straw wrapper trick as a sign of thanks to the return of her wallet. I would like to see her ticket stub. To see if her ticket number was either just before or after Shiratori's. She was to his left, but that doesn't tell me the order the seats are numbered. She could be in seat F-24 or F-26.
Another thing I thought was odd about this woman was that she was still wearing that tall puffy hat during the movie. It's not like she was blocking anyone, so I guess it isn't so odd. Just felt a bit rude. Not to mention that she would leave her cell phone on. I've yet to be a movie where there isn't a reminder about turning cellphones off. If she was polite enough to make up for spilling a drink of a stranger then she most likely wouldn't leave her cellphone on.

I did notice that the flower pattern she used on the straws is a different one then the girl from Shiratori's memory. That little girl did a sakura pattern which has five petals. This woman did a flower pattern that has six petals. If anything they looked more like snowflakes then flower petals to me. I don't know much about flowers so I'm not sure what flower she was emulating.
I'll be interested to see what police detectives come to this case. Just story wise I wouldn't be surprised if it's Satou and Takagi. The flower petal straw will probably come up.

The question that needs to be asked of her. Why is it she didn't go to the movie with her boyfriend if she had been so concerned about a stalker?

[Misztina]

It may too farfetched but I think that she bumped into Shiratori to make his cola splash all over the floor so she could get a new one. Seeing how Shiratori was sighting at the end of the movie, I think it is possible that the girl used him as an alibi, and she put something in Shiratori's cola. When he was asleep, she snuck out, leaving something behind her (a puppet or something). Although the whoile seatline wasn't shown I think the only ones who were sitting in that line was she and Shiratori. This way, she could manipulate the tickets so, that someone would sit next to her. Children usually don't llike to sit alone, so if someone buys a ticket for a lonely seat that would be most probably an adult. So she has an adult witness and a nice alibi.

The cellphone's light was strange. It seemed like it flashed from a different line than the woman's. Hm... Maybe her bag was too much in the front or was it dropped? There was no blood on the cellphone in the dead guy's hand, which means he pulled it out after she left the scene and called her to leave a dying message. Of course maybe she put the cellphone in his hand and called herself to stabilize her alibi, so that others, like the kids would notice that she was usig her cellphone.

Btw. her puffy hat was sort of unique and flashy, so one would definitely remember her.

[H...Haibara]

Make sure you mention that THERE ARE hyping SPOILERS.

[Misztina]

Attention, please! There are NO spoilers. The file (687) in English is out. We mentioned nothing from 688.

[Kristantei]

It may too farfetched but I think that she bumped into Shiratori to make his cola splash all over the floor so she could get a new one. Seeing how Shiratori was sighting at the end of the movie, I think it is possible that the girl used him as an alibi, and she put something in Shiratori's cola. When he was asleep, she snuck out, leaving something behind her (a puppet or something). Although the whoile seatline wasn't shown I think the only ones who were sitting in that line was she and Shiratori. This way, she could manipulate the tickets so, that someone would sit next to her. Children usually don't llike to sit alone, so if someone buys a ticket for a lonely seat that would be most probably an adult. So she has an adult witness and a nice alibi.

The cellphone's light was strange. It seemed like it flashed from a different line than the woman's. Hm... Maybe her bag was too much in the front or was it dropped? There was no blood on the cellphone in the dead guy's hand, which means he pulled it out after she left the scene and called her to leave a dying message. Of course maybe she put the cellphone in his hand and called herself to stabilize her alibi, so that others, like the kids would notice that she was usig her cellphone.

Btw. her puffy hat was sort of unique and flashy, so one would definitely remember her.

That is a bit too far fetched. It wouldn't help her with an alibi case if at any point the person she is using would pass out during the movie. Also Conan would of noticed her get up. The only thing it showed Conan noticing is her moving around and opening her cell phone. I'm not even sure it rang. I'm not all that sure if the sound effect of 'chika' is suppose to be her cell phone ringing or just opening.

Not to mention, how the hell could she bring a puppet of herself in, put it in place, and leave with no one noticing in a crowded movie theater?

Just because Shiratori was tired it doesn't mean he was drugged. He was probably just bored with the movie.

Make sure you mention that THERE ARE hyping SPOILERS.

First off. How could I spoil when I'm only talking about my theories based on this chapter? Something could easily happen in the next chapter to throw off my theory. I clearly point that out. Though history shows that most of my theories and deductions turn out to be right most of the time.
Secondly, the chapter is out. It's your own fault if you haven't read it and opened up this thread I created for this very chapter.
Thirdly, take a good LONG look at the section this thread is posted in. It says literally "DCTP Forum | Detective Conan | Story Discussion (Manga Spoilers) | Ch. 687: Shiratori's Memories"

[GG.Wicken]

Whoa...You made lots of good points there  . I can't agree more...

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I haven't finished the chapter yet, but I started to entertain alternate ideas as to who Shiratori's sweetheart might be. I came up with two possibilities.
One is the first grade teacher Koboyashi Sumiko (26) whose hairstyle looks extremely similar to the girl's. She also looks a lot like Sato without her glasses. She would be really cute with Shiratori.

Spoiler:

Another hilarious possibility I came up with is Takagi himself. The bangs look almost identical and his skin may be dark from tanning due to police work...

Spoiler:

Kristantei, I will get around to replying to your deduction post when I get home from work.

[GinRei]

I did notice that while Agasa couldn't come and bought the tickets online. There was no gap in seating with the kids. This wouldn't too odd from most people at the movies, but judging from all the conversation, and the image of Shiratori's ticket, I'm assuming that in this theater the seating is assigned. 

Yes.  The same thing happened when I was in Japan and saw movie 12.  Threw me off when she asked what seat I wanted, since I wasn't really expecting that.  Luckily, she had a seating chart.  >_>

I would like to see her ticket stub. To see if her ticket number was either just before or after Shiratori's. She was to his left, but that doesn't tell me the order the seats are numbered. She could be in seat F-24 or F-26.

It's been a while, but if I recall stage left is lower numbers, so she'd be 24.  This is just based on memory, since I was F-5 when I saw movie 12 and was all the way on the left.

It may too farfetched but I think that she bumped into Shiratori to make his cola splash all over the floor so she could get a new one. Seeing how Shiratori was sighting at the end of the movie, I think it is possible that the girl used him as an alibi, and she put something in Shiratori's cola.

This was my train of thought as well.  However, I don't believe she left a puppet or anything behind.  She's not a ninja. 
However, she did have a very unique hat, and if she did drug Shiratori, then what's to stop her from putting it on his head while he's asleep?

The cellphone's light was strange. It seemed like it flashed from a different line than the woman's

Stop probing my mind!  I agree though, it seems to come from the row ahead of her.

That is a bit too far fetched. It wouldn't help her with an alibi case if at any point the person she is using would pass out during the movie. Also Conan would of noticed her get up. The only thing it showed Conan noticing is her moving around and opening her cell phone.

However, Conan did look away a couple of times.  And it's not like he was watching her during the movie.  He only noticed the cell phone because of the disturbing light that came from it.  As for getting up, she could've easily just crouched down as she was leaving and coming back.

Just because Shiratori was tired it doesn't mean he was drugged. He was probably just bored with the movie.

His boredom would be why he doesn't click together the fact that he fell asleep.

Only thing I'm not sure of is how the cell phones truly fit into the case.  It's obvious that's the key, but I don't think there's enough information yet to really get the conclusion needed.

[themarble1]

It may too farfetched but I think that she bumped into Shiratori to make his cola splash all over the floor so she could get a new one. Seeing how Shiratori was sighting at the end of the movie, I think it is possible that the girl used him as an alibi, and she put something in Shiratori's cola.

you might be right she could have use any one to make her alibi that was sitting with her. but the rest is too hard to swallow for the moment


Assumptions:
but the thing that is bothering me is that the door was locked and it wasn't droken down, and the guy is away from the door so that means that the staker story is problably fake. the worst part of all is that he is holding a cell phone so it could have happen when she called him. she problably used a trick with the cell phone. the last thing is that he was bashed on the head the scene is just driving me crazy.

[Nyarl]

Assumptions:
but the thing that is bothering me is that the door was locked and it wasn't droken down, and the guy is away from the door so that means that the staker story is problably fake.

This bothers me in the opposite way. Unless Nami is particularly stupid/acts too much out of habit why would she lock the door after killing her boyfriend? If her boyfriend were killed during the movie, she probably didn't think she had the time to make it look like there was forced entry and a struggle, but why lock the door?

I wonder if there really is a "stalker" and he coerced her into going to the theater to set her up and make her look particularly suspicious, or there's something to her alibi trick that's more convincing {688}

Spoiler:

than her hat being seen by the kids when her cell phone lit it up when her boyfriend supposedly called her. Not even Megure buys the alibi, the theater is too close to the crime scene, and he finds it weird for a stalker to lock the door. Maybe Aoyama is taking the time to show that the police can actually figure out an occasional one suspect case without Conan's help. So far Conan is only explaining more suspicious things about Nami's visit to the theater to Haibara, he's not giving hints to the police. Maybe Conan's role in this will only be to talk Shiratori out of protecting Nami, or expose the lie if Shiratori does protect her... 

[Kristantei]

This bothers me in the opposite way. Unless Nami is particularly stupid/acts too much out of habit why would she lock the door after killing her boyfriend? If her boyfriend were killed during the movie, she probably didn't think she had the time to make it look like there was forced entry and a struggle, but why lock the door?

I wonder if there really is a "stalker" and he coerced her into going to the theater to set her up and make her look particularly suspicious, or there's something to her alibi trick that's more convincing {688}

Spoiler:

than her hat being seen by the kids when her cell phone lit it up when her boyfriend supposedly called her. Not even Megure buys the alibi, the theater is too close to the crime scene, and he finds it weird for a stalker to lock the door. Maybe Aoyama is taking the time to show that the police can actually figure out an occasional one suspect case without Conan's help. So far Conan is only explaining more suspicious things about Nami's visit to the theater to Haibara, he's not giving hints to the police. Maybe Conan's role in this will only be to talk Shiratori out of protecting Nami, or expose the lie if Shiratori does protect her... 

Not talking about the next chapter that you wrote about.
To explain why she locked the door. If she is the murderer she might of done it out of plain habit. It's common for people not used to the act of murder will panic and revert to habits. Much in the same way she has the habit with the straw wrappers.
I had thought of the possibility that the victim could of locked the door himself after fighting someone off, but if there is no blood trail leading from the door to his current location or blood on the lock, that whole theory doesn't work.

I'm more concerned about the lack of blood on her clothes. If she is the killer there should of been at least a little blood on them. Perhaps she changed clothes. There is also the matter of the murder weapon. It could be she ditched the clothes and weapon on the way to the movies. Being close to the movies it wouldn't be too hard to find if they start looking fast enough.
There is also the matter of if the boyfriend had been attacked why is it he would call his girlfriend, Nami; but not the police. Especially, if he was badly injured. That's just one of the reasons I doubt the facts behind the phone in his hand.
What seems to be the lack of blood on his hands also concerns me. Normally, when someone is struck in the head the instinct is to grab and touch the wound. It's the body's way to try and protect a wounded area. That's what makes me think he was struck fast and never got the chance to defend himself. Though I should say I haven't seen both his hands all that well.

[themarble1]

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Not talking about the next chapter that you wrote about.
To explain why she locked the door. If she is the murderer she might of done it out of plain habit. It's common for people not used to the act of murder will panic and revert to habits. Much in the same way she has the habit with the straw wrappers.
I had thought of the possibility that the victim could of locked the door himself after fighting someone off, but if there is no blood trail leading from the door to his current location or blood on the lock, that whole theory doesn't work.

I'm more concerned about the lack of blood on her clothes. If she is the killer there should of been at least a little blood on them. Perhaps she changed clothes. There is also the matter of the murder weapon. It could be she ditched the clothes and weapon on the way to the movies. Being close to the movies it wouldn't be too hard to find if they start looking fast enough.
There is also the matter of if the boyfriend had been attacked why is it he would call his girlfriend, Nami; but not the police. Especially, if he was badly injured. That's just one of the reasons I doubt the facts behind the phone in his hand.
What seems to be the lack of blood on his hands also concerns me. Normally, when someone is struck in the head the instinct is to grab and touch the wound. It's the body's way to try and protect a wounded area. That's what makes me think he was struck fast and never got the chance to defend himself. Though I should say I haven't seen both his hands all that well.
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intresting observation, i can't belive i didn't notice that. well then it will be an intresting ending then. 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Kristantei covered quite a few of the major points. Kasakura Nami bought three seats and left one next to her open so she could slip her hat on the drugged Shiratori, place her open phone in his lap, and leave. Leaving the open seats means there in no one sitting next to the pair to notice the switch out. She probably did the switch out and the switch back during a climactic scene in the movie when no one is going to be paying attention to the audience. She left her phone open in Shiratori's lap or on the armrest, called her own phone using the dead boyfriend's one, and then cut it off early to create the illusion of him being alive and her being in the theater at the time. Since Shiratori was wearing her funky hat people thought she was there.
Conan's "eh" when she was describing the surprising scenes in the movie means that she missed something, probably the fairy magically healing Gomera or something like that. Also, Shiratori pinched off one of the cup's flowers and put it in his police notebook, making the chain a little short. The chain being the same size later means that she threw out the drugged cup which is in the theater's trash, bought another soda when she returned and put a premade chain on it. The chains shown in the cabinet made Shiratori hesitate because they are five petaled like the cherry blossoms the girl of his memories made instead of six petaled.

[chubs191]

MAJOR SPOILER ALERT!

Spoiler:

I haven't finished the chapter yet, but I started to entertain alternate ideas as to who Shiratori's sweetheart might be. I came up with two possibilities.
One is the first grade teacher Koboyashi Sumiko (26) whose hairstyle looks extremely similar to the girl's. She also looks a lot like Sato without her glasses. She would be really cute with Shiratori.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Can you see into the future?

[Kristantei]

I read the translation a while ago of the latest chapter and I let is simmer in my mind for a few days to let my thoughts collect together in a good order. Knowing that her apartment is only 5 minutes away is a huge deal.
The fact the theater was so crowded it could work in her favor. Even more so with the fact that Shiratori did admit that he fell asleep. Now there is reason to believe that Nami drugged Shiratori. Most likely when she left to commit the murder she took the original drink with her and replaced it with another cup, possibly her own or one she prepared to prove the drink Shiratori had wasn't drugged if it came to that.
What she didn't realize that that Shiratori took one of the flower designs off as a momento. Lucky for him though I don't believe that this girl is the one from his past, despite what we saw on those cups in the cupboard. The designs Nami used over and over had more of a daisy, or snowflake six petal design. Also the design she taught Ayumi is that same design. I believe that she was either taught this trick as well by a friend/sister, but either couldn't get the sakura petal design right or liked the six petal design more. The saukra petal does look like it requires more skill. Without all the little details it would just look like a star.

Speaking of how she could move around in the theater and get away with no one noticing her. It's so crowded it's hard to remember a person amongst the mob of people. It makes it even harder when you ask them about a woman 'wearing a puffy white jacket and hat'. If she put it on Shiratori to create her alibi then she wouldn't of been wearing it as she moved around.

When I read the first chapter I didn't think it would be possible for her to get out of the aisle without disturbing others, even if Shiratori had been drugged. We never got a good enough view in the first chapter that showed the seats on her left her empty. After carefully placing the hat on Shiratori with the seats empty to her left she could of just ducked down and escaped without notice.

I think Shiratori hesitated to push further in front of Nami, but remember the past how he also hesitated. The fact he requested Takagi to buy a drink from the stand was to test the length of the straw wrapper. To figure out which drink is the one he had before and which one he had at the end of the movie. One of those two he ripped off one of the flowers. Most likely the one he left with.

I'm still waiting for someone to ask Nami that if she was so worried about a stalker, why go to the movies alone? Let alone a monster movie. Also, if the boyfriend was so wounded, why was he trying to call his girlfriend and not police?

About getting the movies. If on those computers you can select the seating row you can buy this trick becomes more possible. Like I said in my first posting. I have never been to a movie theater in Japan. I think that when she had lunch with the kids she probably asked them about the aisle they were seating in for the movie or saw their tickets. She then bought the tickets for the seats to all but one in the middle. That way she would just have to wait for the person to buy that ticket and bump into him. That or she could of left that ticket in the slot to explain how Shiratori got a ticket he didn't expect.
I'm with Conan. Normally people who really enjoy special effects have books, magazines, or extensive collections of movies with special effects.

Here's hoping that the reason she killed her 'boyfriend' wasn't because she blamed him for the death of this person who taught her or learned with about the flower petal wrapper trick.
It's my suspicion is that when Conan and the others are talking about what was surprising during the movie wasn't the scene the lady talked about.  I believe Genta and Mustuhiko we shocked by the fact that Haibara seemed scared or Ayumi's scream in terror. If Shiratori doesn't remember that when he was really drugged.
Looking at the body I still don't see any blood on his hands.

I haven't finished the chapter yet, but I started to entertain alternate ideas as to who Shiratori's sweetheart might be. I came up with two possibilities.
One is the first grade teacher Koboyashi Sumiko (26) whose hairstyle looks extremely similar to the girl's. She also looks a lot like Sato without her glasses. She would be really cute with Shiratori.

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That would be very cute and I hope your thoughts are right. The kids' teacher is a lover of detective stories and justice. She wanted to join the Detective Boys.
I think those two could make a seriously cute couple.
We know that Koboyashi is a big fan of Edogawa Rampo. I am starting to wonder if Edogawa Rampo ever wrote something describing the police badge or the sakura flower in a similar way to the young girl from Shiratori's past?