Ran + Eisuke

[detective eye]

(No, may you burn in hell for even suggesting this) i should said that but she saide it first but she is right

this kind of topics makes me want to kick someone in the face 

[jason]

She's always going to be with Shinichi. End of story.

[haibarakudo]

I want them to be together!!!! But that's unlikely....=(

[Xela]

...Even the mentioning of this pairing makes me cringe.

First of all: Again a character that is attracted to Ran? She is definitely overproducing pheromones.

Ran forgetting about Shinichi before even telling him about her feelings is just too OOC for me.
She must have figured out by now that Shinichi is dealing with big trouble, instead of playing a cheap trick on her and having some fun with other girls (even if he was, he wouldn´t have the right to scorn him for that, actually...).
Let´s see: The person I love disappears suddenly, looks half-dead on the few times I see him again and begs me to wait for him- and I start to date one of my friends and classmates, who is a friend to me and nothing more?
Ehhh, no.
Besides... Shinichi would rather have Ran forget about him than her crying again and would give his live for her- and she, the person why he wants to be himself again, is paired up with Eisuke?...Man, that´s cruel.

[Nyarl]

I think it's a better pair than leaving Ran with nothing if Shin'ichi finally realizes he's putting her in too much danger even as Conan and decides to run off with Haibara to continue his Org. hunt.

With Eisuke, Ran could even be an equal parter in the relationship. I think Shin'ichi would dominate the relationship too much because Ran looks up to him as a role model.

It would certainly be better than killing her off to please Haibara fans. I've kinda stopped supporting Ran's death after Aoyama coped out yet again with a protagonist endangering situation, the protagonist detective only just introduced that very story. Ran not being saved by fluke luck or incompetent villains like every other protagonist Aoyama has put in "danger" would seem more spiteful than tragic. Unless he sets it up really well, like having Ran follow in Akemi's footsteps to work for the Org. semi-voluntarily thinking she could help Shin'ichi that way.

First of all: Again a character that is attracted to Ran? She is definitely overproducing pheromones.

Who else has been shown attracted to Ran besides Shin'ichi and a couple of degenerate womanizers early on? I've seen the claim that Ran is unbelievably popular, but the manga stories don't really seem to show that. (Sonoko is not a reliable narrator!)

[Xela]

I think it's a better pair than leaving Ran with nothing if Shin'ichi finally realizes he's putting her in too much danger even as Conan and decides to run off with Haibara to continue his Org. hunt.

So Eisuke is her booby prize?

With Eisuke, Ran could even be an equal parter in the relationship. I think Shin'ichi would dominate the relationship too much because Ran looks up to him as a role model.

I´m not into the Ran&Shinichi-relationship myself.
And won´t go into who of them is the better partner for her, I just think Ran dropping Shinichi without having things cleared out with him is kinda... unfair.

It would certainly be better than killing her off to please Haibara fans.

So Ran needs to be either killed off or paired up?

Who else has been shown attracted to Ran besides Shin'ichi and a couple of degenerate womanizers early on? I've seen the claim that Ran is unbelievably popular, but the manga stories don't really seem to show that. (Sonoko is not a reliable narrator!)

Well, there´s the filler guy she has a date with on Valentines Day
The fact that there have been a couple of degenerate womanizers is already enough, I think.
Why isn´t Sonoko a reliable narrator? "Everybody just wants to hit on you!"(<-sorry, unacurate quote) implies that Ran is, in comparison to Sonoko, very appealing to guys. Oh yeah, there is also that guy in volume 5 who takes a walk with her in the forest... and the karate champ in volume 8 who is flirting with her. If you also take to consideration that Ran is asked of being a model and that many, many people have the urge to comment on her... beauty, there is no need to show Ran´s popularity anymore.
(Besides, do you really want to see guys drooling over her in every episode? That would be a little overdone.)

[Sol Falling]

I think it's a better pair than leaving Ran with nothing if Shin'ichi finally realizes he's putting her in too much danger even as Conan and decides to run off with Haibara to continue his Org. hunt.

I suppose this might be true, but Eisuke's all the way in America and I dunno if Ran would have all that much difficulty with finding another man if she really had to (though admittedly perhaps not of Shinichi's quality).

With Eisuke, Ran could even be an equal parter in the relationship. I think Shin'ichi would dominate the relationship too much because Ran looks up to him as a role model.

Now this looks to be a twisting of my character analysis away from my intentions!  First of all, if we note Ran and Shinichi's 'normal' interactions, there's basically a lot of boasting, nagging, and general playful bantering (sprinkled with a little violence).  I think both Ran and Shinichi hold back a lot of their 'deep' feelings when they're interacting on just an everyday basis, and if their long separation will change that, it will change that for the both of them.  If it doesn't, and I don't think it has to, there won't be any worries about one dominating the other.  Second of all, I don't think Ran really looks up to Shinichi in the manner of his usual behaviour (arrogance, detective geekery) but rather his reliability and confidence in dangerous/daunting situations.  So really, again, for everyday couple stuff I think they would be just fine.

...Well, okay, I think I'm gonna have to respond to this too.

Again a character that is attracted to Ran? She is definitely overproducing pheromones.

I'd like to think of it more as a combination of inner and outer beauty that instantly makes her likeable, if not attractive, to just about everyone.  She's popular with kids, the grocers, everybody really--and I'd have to say that Eisuke's preference for her, described himself as 'nice', over a more sexy, aloof girl is a reflection of his taste.  I don't really mind that Ran is portrayed as good looking.  Shinichi has his share of fangirls too (the opening scene of the live action drama overplays this really hilariously).  To a degree they are Mary/Gary Sues/Stus, but then you take a look at their parents and realize that's just the kind of story this is.  To be fair it isn't really like this issue (some other guy crushing on Ran) had ever been used as a serious plot point before or come up again, so I think Eisuke's confession was more meant to develop his own character (and to a degree Shinichi's) than Ran's.

[Purple Kyu]

I think it's a better pair than leaving Ran with nothing if Shin'ichi finally realizes he's putting her in too much danger even as Conan and decides to run off with Haibara to continue his Org. hunt.

I don't see this ever happening. Gosho just isn't that type of writer - he's the type that goes for happy (or, at the very least, bittersweet) ends every time.

With Eisuke, Ran could even be an equal parter in the relationship. I think Shin'ichi would dominate the relationship too much because Ran looks up to him as a role model.

I disagree. I think Shinichi 'looks up' to Ran in a different way too. He admires her optimism (as opposed to his own pessimism), her relentlessness, her faithfulness, and her innate goodness. I read once on these boards that someone said he looked to her as a pure being within the sea of criminal evil. They would definitely treat each other as equals - I have never seen any indication that Shinichi considered himself better than Ran, or that Ran considered herself less than Shinichi. Ran recognizes that Shinichi is a genius at solving mysteries, yes, but does that make her less than Shinichi? No.

[Nyarl]

I just think Ran dropping Shinichi without having things cleared out with him is kinda... unfair.

So Ran needs to be either killed off or paired up?

Or at least be the one to do the dumping after being strung along so long. She deserves more say in everything than Shin'ichi is allowing her, especially since her life and her father's life are at stake now. Conan is not just risking his life now when he dons his blue blazer, glasses and bowtie to fight the Org., and he's even been clearly warned by Shuuichi about that, a warning he can't dismiss as driven by irrational fear like he might for Haibara's warnings.

The fact that there have been a couple of degenerate womanizers is already enough, I think.
Why isn´t Sonoko a reliable narrator? "Everybody just wants to hit on you!"(<-sorry, unacurate quote) implies that Ran is, in comparison to Sonoko, very appealing to guys. Oh yeah, there is also that guy in volume 5 who takes a walk with her in the forest... and the karate champ in volume 8 who is flirting with her.
(Besides, do you really want to see guys drooling over her in every episode? That would be a little overdone.)

The guy in volume 5 was one of the degenerate womanizers (the other was Sonoko's date from volume 11). What drooling, besides Conan's, has Ran had inspired since Sonoko's likely hypersensitive rant in volume 18 (where she managed to find someone who barely even acknowledges Ran exists despite the rant)? Quite a big jump from something not happening for 40 volumes to it happening all the time... (Conan's occasional drooling is enough, but someone else's would hardly be that redundant.)

Besides, you should compare Ran with characters like Asami, Eri and Yukiko, not just Sonoko. If Ran even approaches the popularity they explicitly had at Ran's age, it's left vaguely implied (at least outside of anime filler). I suppose the attempt in volume 34 to recruit her for an action film shows the potential might be there, but that's apparently only potential for now.

Now this looks to be a twisting of my character analysis away from my intentions!  First of all, if we note Ran and Shinichi's 'normal' interactions, there's basically a lot of boasting, nagging, and general playful bantering (sprinkled with a little violence).  I think both Ran and Shinichi hold back a lot of their 'deep' feelings when they're interacting on just an everyday basis, and if their long separation will change that, it will change that for the both of them.  If it doesn't, and I don't think it has to, there won't be any worries about one dominating the other.  Second of all, I don't think Ran really looks up to Shinichi in the manner of his usual behaviour (arrogance, detective geekery) but rather his reliability and confidence in dangerous/daunting situations.  So really, again, for everyday couple stuff I think they would be just fine.

Maybe she'll act more like a peer again once they finally make their relationship official, but her spirit seems to be weakening. While she seemed to have pretty normal interactions with Shin'ichi in volume 26,{volume 62-63}

Spoiler:

for his more recent return she was very clingy and could barely hold a normal conversation with him. If Kazuha hadn't put her foot down, Ran would have even let him just slip away again despite the earlier clinging.

Also, like I wrote here, I think Shiho can handle Shin'ichi's ego a bit better. Ran would either become frustrated or overwhelmed by it. As friends, she can just state her opinion knowing he's going to do his own thing anyway (like their discussion in volume 1 about what he's given up for his detective dream and why he couldn't just become a writer). As lovers his decisions will affect her directly much more often, she shouldn't always let the subject drop, and I don't know if being threatened with physical violence when she gets really frustrated would be that cute to him after a few years... I think Shin'ichi still needs to lose a lot of ego to make a relationship with Ran (or most anyone) plausibly work. He'll be ready when he can respond to a gang leader's, "What are you!?" with a just a grin or a shrug instead of a, "Conan Edogawa, detective!"

[Misztina]

Maybe she'll act more like a peer again once they finally make their relationship official, but her spirit seems to be weakening. While she seemed to have pretty normal interactions with Shin'ichi in volume 26,{volume 62-63} etc.

That's a very good observation! *amazed, because it is so obvious yet she could see it-slaps forehead*

I think as she said in the Shiragami case, she is aware taht Shinichi handles his case in his own way, and maybe she was like that (I mean so nervous, and a cry-baby and such), because she might be aware to some extent that seeing Shinichi is indeed a "miracle". Maybe the first case's vision of Shinichi running off in the Shiragami case wants to suggest that Shinichi's appearance is a miracle, knowing that Ran thought at that time that she wouldn't see him again. So she knows that he might be in great danger. Until the Desperate revival case probably not many time passed and Shinichi's return was indeed shocking, however I think at that time Ran was not aware of the weird things around Shinichi. When Ran suspected Jodie sensei, she really thought that thios case is a far greater plot than she ever imagined.

Sorry, I begin to write in a confusing way, so I'll just stop. I hope you can figure out what I meant. *is late night*

About Eisuke: I'd rather let Araide to get Ran than Eisuke.

[Red and Gold Phoenix]

I don't think Eisuke has any chance with Ran...at all! LOL, I just can't see it!

[Sol Falling]

Maybe she'll act more like a peer again once they finally make their relationship official, but her spirit seems to be weakening. While she seemed to have pretty normal interactions with Shin'ichi in volume 26,{volume 62-63}

Spoiler:

for his more recent return she was very clingy and could barely hold a normal conversation with him. If Kazuha hadn't put her foot down, Ran would have even let him just slip away again despite the earlier clinging.

True, it would have been rather tragic if Ran hadn't followed Shinichi and he'd just disappeared without a word.  That wasn't Shinichi's intention, though, and I don't think Ran was wrong in believing him when he said he'd come back to her.  As for the clinginess, anyway, despite how Ran seems to be weakening, I honestly think all she needs is to feel that Shinichi isn't going to disappear again.  It's true this whole ordeal could emotionally scar her, and she'd never get past that insecurity, but...somehow I think Ran's stronger than that and that isn't the kind of story Gosho wants to tell.

Also, like I wrote here, I think Shiho can handle Shin'ichi's ego a bit better. Ran would either become frustrated or overwhelmed by it. As friends, she can just state her opinion knowing he's going to do his own thing anyway (like their discussion in volume 1 about what he's given up for his detective dream and why he couldn't just become a writer). As lovers his decisions will affect her directly much more often, she shouldn't always let the subject drop, and I don't know if being threatened with physical violence when she gets really frustrated would be that cute to him after a few years... I think Shin'ichi still needs to lose a lot of ego to make a relationship with Ran (or most anyone) plausibly work. He'll be ready when he can respond to a gang leader's, "What are you!?" with a just a grin or a shrug instead of a, "Conan Edogawa, detective!"

Heh.  Iunno, Shinichi's ego seems pretty insurmountable, and I don't know if it's ever going to get any better than what his time as Conan has done for it.  At least in terms of a prospective relationship with Ran, I think they would be fine so long as Shinichi prioritized spending (some reasonable amount of) time with her over detective work.  Given (again) his time as Conan, I think Shinichi's learned to appreciate his time with Ran enough that he will value it as much as she does.

edit: wow, didn't notice that.  Forgot to close quote tag, sorry.
edit2: or, maybe not?  Person after me seems to have the same problem. 

[Xela]

I just think Ran dropping Shinichi without having things cleared out with him is kinda... unfair.

Or at least be the one to do the dumping after being strung along so long. She deserves more say in everything than Shin'ichi is allowing her, especially since her life and her father's life are at stake now. Conan is not just risking his life now when he dons his blue blazer, glasses and bowtie to fight the Org., and he's even been clearly warned by Shuuichi about that, a warning he can't dismiss as driven by irrational fear like he might for Haibara's warnings.

Yes, I agree with that. I just wanted to say that Ran forgetting about Shinichi without even knowing what is actually going on would really bother me.

[haejin]

Actually. I had totally forgot that Eisuke was a minor character. Or thought that they had chemistry. O.O

Shinichi x Ran is canon. We all know they have feelings for each other, but the two of them doesn't LOL!

And I don't think this pairing is possible. Ran has amazed me so many times, on her loyalty to Shinichi. And how she always believes in him. She never had a doubt, to whatever Shinichi tells her.

=)

And wait, about Shinichi's ego. Hmmm... Ran won't be a tsundere with Shinichi, if she couldn't handle him.

[kirite]

And wait, about Shinichi's ego. Hmmm... Ran won't be a tsundere with Shinichi, if she couldn't handle him.

But she hasn't been tsundere to him lately at allll ;A;

*misses the type-B tsundere-ness*