Shinichi being a fool & some FBI related discussion

[Abs.]

No...  He only needed to clean up evidence that:

1) He was there
2) Jodie had a gun of her own

I don't even know how Conan explained away his deep involvement in the whole thing ("Yeah, so the lady kidnapper took me and I had this recording device strapped to me and threatened to tell the police about her boss' mail number if she didn't take me to her boss")

the FBI is taken too much action .. well it look like gosho will use BO vs FBI instead Using Japanese Police!

Yup, this has always been an irritation to me

If he has the FBI/CIA take the org down, then he is basically saying that the Japanese law enforcement can't do a crap even in their own country and America has to do everything for them

[Kleene Onigiri]

Hold on hold on

I'm pretty sure Akai cleaned up the scene before he left

So the police may not have even had to know that Jodie had a gun or fired it

Uh... if I recall correctly he left the scene before Jodie left... Jodie still had her gun... as well as was shot...

We don't know if Jodie still had her gun

Yes, Akai left the scene before Jodie left obviously (Jodie remained there because 1) she was shot, and 2) to explain "what happened" to the cops) - therefore Akai could have taken Jodie's gun with him along with any shell casings (from both her gun and the shotgun he used)

Ah, but the shell casings is only a part of it... there would be bullets in the pavement and in the crates... It would be nearly impossible to clean all of them up... Also there is the matter of the glass shards... the exploded car... I know Akai is (was?) good... but he isn't (wasn't?) THAT good.

Jodies gun was fired 2x. First time was a warning, where she shot into the distance. Could be they found the bullet or the police didn't. Can't tell
The other time, the bullet hit Vermouth and I think the bullet is stuck in her arm.

Also, in case they hid Jodies gun, or Akai took it with him, the bullets and bullet casings that can't be identified could be explained to the police in that way, that vermouth took the weapon with her (more than 1 gun). Since Calvados had a lot of guns with him, it wouldn't seem strange that the other kidnapper that escaped has more than 1 gun too.

[xpon]

the FBI is taken too much action .. well it look like gosho will use BO vs FBI instead Using Japanese Police!

Yup, this has always been an irritation to me

If he has the FBI/CIA take the org down, then he is basically saying that the Japanese law enforcement can't do a crap even in their own country and America has to do everything for them

well.. he used to make the police look stupid.. because they always wait till a private detective / wanna-be detective to solves the case for them.

[kyuuketsuki]

No...  He only needed to clean up evidence that:

1) He was there
2) Jodie had a gun of her own

I don't even know how Conan explained away his deep involvement in the whole thing ("Yeah, so the lady kidnapper took me and I had this recording device strapped to me and threatened to tell the police about her boss' mail number if she didn't take me to her boss")

the FBI is taken too much action .. well it look like gosho will use BO vs FBI instead Using Japanese Police!

Yup, this has always been an irritation to me

If he has the FBI/CIA take the org down, then he is basically saying that the Japanese law enforcement can't do a crap even in their own country and America has to do everything for them

Right... So... A FBI agent on holiday firing a gun (she would test positive for gunpowder residue), you don't think that would cause problems? Again an investigative team looks at all the evidence, and it would still be difficult to get the bullet from the crate, which either got embedded or ricocheted... It would be impossible to find in such short time, but likely the police investigative team would be able to, which would not have found a match at the scene of the crime and there would be a missing gun, which would mean missing people, which would mean that Akai would be implicated, which would cause an international incident... Bad Abs., very bad... It would be easier for her to take the fall than to create an international incident and have an FBI agent implicated in tampering with a crime scene. He would know this.

About the fact that Vermouth might have taken the guns... Again, looking at the evidence present, impossible... Casings from Calvados would suggest different guns atop crates, tire tracks from a quick get away... Not enough time to clean all that up... She could have taken Jodie's gun, but then the question of the other guns would come into question. Akai would still get implicated being Jodie's partner. Investigation opens, FBI contacted... Jodie recalled... It doesn't end well no matter what. Law enforcement agents DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH CASES AND GET LET OFF SCOTT FREE NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES (Again it is all about jurisdiction). And again, both of them would be in trouble for tampering with the crime scene...

[Abs.]

Yes, Jodie would test positive for gunpowder residue but 1) that is not shown, and 2) she could have explained it by saying that she fought with the lady kidnapper and wrestled the gun from her, then fired a warning shot

Again, no one knows Akai was even there

So in the case that Jodie's gun was taken out of the equation by Akai

Yes, she would still "get in trouble" but not as much trouble as she would have if he had been "caught with a gun"








But really

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Repeat while taking slow, deep breaths

[xpon]

Ha ha ha ha..

well DC world is real for me!

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Also iirc she DID fire her gun. A warning shot at Vermouth... That bullet would need to be matched to a gun... Which would lead them to Jodie. And again... it is standard procedure to IDENTIFY ALL GUNS FOUND AT A SCENE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE HERS!

Jodie's gun fired two gunshots. Jodie used her gun once to fire one gunshot parallel to the pier to disarm Vermouth. Assuming the bullet wasn't unduly deflected, it would either travel a long way and thus be difficult to find, or hit Vermouth/Araide's car which was parked directly behind Vermouth. If it hit the car, the bullet will have to survive a later detonation as Vermouth blew the car up.

Jodie fired another gunshot which hit Vermouth's shoulder. It probably didn't pass through (so Vermouth would have ran off with it), but if it did pass through, it would have landed in the water where it would be pretty much unrecoverable.

Oh holy hell Kleene Onigiri.... You can't be serious... The police would NOT check the gun ownership??? THAT IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY DO WITH GUNS FOUND AT A  CRIME SCENE! They determine the weapon's origins if possible. They run the serial with registration, see if it is stolen, or if it is a hot gun from a missing shipment or so fourth.

Assuming the FBI agents in Japan didn't tamper with their own weapons' serial numbers (a reasonable assumption). Jodie's gun is going to be registered in America. The only way the Japanese police are going to get that information is to ask for it from America. I'm not sure which US department handles the request, but the FBI can tamper with the info being passed along without the Japanese police knowing since the request has to go through American hands first. Basically, they can pass info saying the gun was stolen in America.

Hold on hold on
I'm pretty sure Akai cleaned up the scene before he left
So the police may not have even had to know that Jodie had a gun or fired it

Akai couldn't have cleaned up fast enough. The police were already in ear-shot based on the sounds (sirens?) in the lower right panel of V42-10 pg 12. The body was probably left at the scene as he couldn't drag it. Shuu may have left with some of the Calvados' guns though.
Also gunshot powder residue would be on Jodie, but that doesn't matter too much as Jodie's story says she fired at the robbers.

I don't even know how Conan explained away his deep involvement in the whole thing ("Yeah, so the lady kidnapper took me and I had this recording device strapped to me and threatened to tell the police about her boss' mail number if she didn't take me to her boss"

Conan probably suppressed the info about the recorder. I am not sure how he would have matched his story to Jodie's. Maybe Jodie and Conan got into contact before they could be questioned to synch stories.

Right... So... A FBI agent on holiday firing a gun (she would test positive for gunpowder residue), you don't think that would cause problems?

Jodie admitted to firing a gun, albeit one she "stole from the kidnappers"

Again an investigative team looks at all the evidence, and it would still be difficult to get the bullet from the crate, which either got embedded or ricocheted... It would be impossible to find in such short time, but likely the police investigative team would be able to, which would not have found a match at the scene of the crime and there would be a missing gun, which would mean missing people.

Jodie's gun wasn't fired at the crate/Calvados. That was Vermouth's ankle gun.

which would mean that Akai would be implicated, which would cause an international incident... Bad Abs., very bad...

No one knew Akai was at the scene. I'm not sure how to explain the kidnapper with two broken legs, but Jodie doesn't have to explain that. She just has to say she wasn't sure what happened.

I had an edit conflict times 5 so I may be repeating some things.

[xpon]

after rading all CMG post. i can only say 2 word: I Agree!

[Abs.]

@Chekhov's edit conflicts:  

Anyway I didn't mean Akai cleaned up the entire scene (!)

But just a few things here and there like obvious bullet casings from/and guns that shouldn't be there according to the "official story"

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Akai would still get implicated being Jodie's partner.

I don't think Akai is "connected" with the FBI in the police's eyes. I think they kept separate hence Jodie avoiding saying that she knew Akai when passing the phone to the police after Kir "killed" him.

It would be impossible to find in such short time, but likely the police investigative team would be able to, which would not have found a match at the scene of the crime and there would be a missing gun, which would mean missing people.

In the official story, the kidnappers got away. Ran who saw Jodie and couldn't be asked to tamper with her story saw Vermouth. Since the dead person was a man (unless Calvados was a lesbian...), then Calvados could be explained as a victim of infighting between the kidnappers, basically Akai's actions could be explained as a third kidnapper who Jodie didn't see. Abs., would have to confirm if Jodie's explanation to Ran used any plural words for the kidnappers.

Sorry for the one last post

[kyuuketsuki]

@Chekhov: Yes they would find that it is registered in America, but you have to remember, they wouldn't contact the FBI for that information. Therefore there is a good chance that the gun registration would be under Jodie's name and never make it to the FBI. I forget who handles gun registration, but it is not the FBI. It is FAR more likely that the CIA would do the tampering... If they wanted to... The Bureau is far too small for that, and unless they get notice that it is in their jurisdiction, but since it is an international matter, it isn't. The MPD wouldn't mention that it is an FBI agent. (again, them tampering with that would mean that they are in Japan illegally, WHICH would piss off the CIA as that is THEIR jurisdiction, and already have a NOC in place).

And again... a tourist firing a weapon, no matter the reason, would be detained... Cops in other states can't do that, let alone government agents illegally active in a foreign country. Even if only for a day to obtain the full story and account. Likely the US Government would get involved anyway and she would have had to go back to America anyway until she was cleared.

And... Fine.... I don't remember the case well... I thought it was Jodie's gun fired at the crate... So you win on that one... However I don't remember the details entirely... The way I remembered it was Jodie fired with her gun when her back was to the car... But I am probably wrong... In any case... there are too many holes... And the chances that Akai left proof of his presence is high... So it still doesn't add up in my eyes.

[xpon]

xpon how the hell do you change the color of your avatar every few min:P

dont youget tired.

ha ha ha ha.. it changed everytime you reload the page. 257 different picture!

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the case with camel is also made a huge loop hole in fbi vs police!

[xpon]

wow your avatar is the best! we should make a frog club instead of the annoying onionheads 

it already been done.. add a pool and already locked.

go play in OOT sometimes will you!

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

@Chekhov: Yes they would find that it is registered in America, but you have to remember, they wouldn't contact the FBI for that information. Therefore there is a good chance that the gun registration would be under Jodie's name and never make it to the FBI. I forget who handles gun registration, but it is not the FBI.

But the FBI can intercept the info since they know they are going to be asking. Basically, they talk with whoever is responsible for giving the information to the foreign government and tell them to give incorrect information because it will damage a mission otherwise. The FBI foreign liaison office might be the one responsible for giving that information to the police. (see below)

It is FAR more likely that the CIA would do the tampering... If they wanted to... The Bureau is far too small for that, and unless they get notice that it is in their jurisdiction, but since it is an international matter, it isn't.

The FBI isn't small. I don't what gave you that idea.

    Organizational Structure and Budget: The FBI is a field-oriented organization in which nine divisions and three offices at FBI headquarters (FBIHQ) in Washington, D.C., provide program direction and support services to 56 field offices, approximately 400 satellite offices known as resident agencies, four specialized field installations, and 23 foreign liaison posts. The foreign liaison offices, each of which is headed by a Legal Attache or Legal Liaison Officer, work abroad with American and local authorities on criminal matters within FBI jurisdiction.

    The FBI has approximately 10,100 Special Agents and 13,700 other employees who perform professional, administrative, technical, clerical, craft, trade, or maintenance operations. Approximately 7,300 employees are assigned to FBIHQ, approximately 16,000 are assigned to field installations.

(source)
There is a liaison office in Japan and I'm pretty sure the FBI would consider it their jurisdiction when an agent is involved, and the japanese police wouldn't be surprised by that. Jodie isn't being suspected of being a kidnapper or criminal (I'm ignoring firing the gun), so the police aren't going to mistrust the info.

The MPD wouldn't mention that it is an FBI agent. (again, them tampering with that would mean that they are in Japan illegally, WHICH would piss off the CIA as that is THEIR jurisdiction, and already have a NOC in place).

See above about the foreign liaison offices. We know that the FBI and the CIA aren't communicating with each other very effectively given the Kir incident, and also that the FBI had to bargain with Kir to get her to pass the info to them as well. However, the CIA didn't throw a hissy fit because the FBI are still in Japan and working on Vermouth and Bourbon even after the Kir incident.

And again... a tourist firing a weapon, no matter the reason, would be detained... Cops in other states can't do that, let alone government agents illegally active in a foreign country. Even if only for a day to obtain the full story and account. Likely the US Government would get involved anyway and she would have had to go back to America anyway until she was cleared.

She was detained although she was at the (police? Abs.?) hospital recovering. The police questioned her. As for the other part, it's acceptable authorial license to deviate from usual diplomatic protocols. Not many readers know or care about exactly what should happen in these sorts of cases.

[Abs.]

@Chek

Jodie tells Ran and Sonoko that the gun belonged to the kidnappers

Yes, plural kidnappers

Yes, she gave her story to the police (presumably while she was in the hospital)

We do not see the police interview

James came along to the hospital room and confirmed that they bought the story