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ShiraKiryuu wrote: When was Jodie caught with a firearm? I don't remember...
She wasn't caught with it though. Her excuse was that she got caught up in a kidnapping case and stole it from the kidnappers.
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kyuuketsuki wrote: Well specifically... She more or less revealed herself as an active agent in Japan, and told MPD that she was going to be there... If you are active it is assumed you have a firearm... So she should have been sought out and detained after that...
She said she was on vacation and was incidentally caught up in the affair.
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yeah.. the BO most likely forget about shinichi! but ... i'm asking the motive of why shichi reveal him self that he is alive.. just to go to london.. while he do anything ( invluding hurt the one that love him most) just to keep they  from knowing that shinichi kudo is alive
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
ShiraKiryuu wrote: When was Jodie caught with a firearm? I don't remember...
She wasn't caught with it though. Her excuse was that she got caught up in a kidnapping case and stole it from the kidnappers.
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kyuuketsuki wrote: Well specifically... She more or less revealed herself as an active agent in Japan, and told MPD that she was going to be there... If you are active it is assumed you have a firearm... So she should have been sought out and detained after that...
She said she was on vacation and was incidentally caught up in the affair.
Not sure how much you know about law... but that generally doesn't cut it... At the very least she would be detained and sent home by way of the American Embassy, and the FBI would have to publicly reprimand her... Saying you got caught up in a case and NOT leaving it up to the law enforcement of the country doesn't fly... It would if she were in America, or in an American embassy... But not in Japan... Hell... even IN America... Local LEOs would be bitching about the FBI's jurisdiction in the case (if it wasn't federal) and she would likely get a call and be pulled off any investigation...
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kyuuketsuki wrote: Not sure how much you know about law... but that generally doesn't cut it... At the very least she would be detained and sent home by way of the American Embassy, and the FBI would have to publicly reprimand her... Saying you got caught up in a case and NOT leaving it up to the law enforcement of the country doesn't fly... It would if she were in America, or in an American embassy... But not in Japan... Hell... even IN America... Local LEOs would be bitching about the FBI's jurisdiction in the case (if it wasn't federal) and she would likely get a call and be pulled off any investigation...
Of course the lack of police reaction isn't realistic. Gosho chose to ignore all the real life flak that would fall out of this so the plot could go on and Jodie could remain in Japan. My point was that Jodie managed to successfully lie and make the situation not as bad as you originally thought it was.
xpon wrote: yeah.. the BO most likely forget about shinichi! but ... i'm asking the motive of why shichi reveal him self that he is alive.. just to go to london.. while he do anything ( invluding hurt the one that love him most) just to keep they  from knowing that shinichi kudo is alive
The motive is obvious: Shinichi wanted to be a fanboy and see Sherlock's London. There isn't any other reason. As other people have pointed out, although it was stupid and risked his cover to go to London, it wasn't like he publicly announced "Shinichi is Alive!" with a megaphone in Ginza's main intersection. He just bought a plane ticket and left. If the BO aren't paying attention then they will miss it, and since they think Shinichi is dead, they probably aren't paying attention.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
kyuuketsuki wrote: Not sure how much you know about law... but that generally doesn't cut it... At the very least she would be detained and sent home by way of the American Embassy, and the FBI would have to publicly reprimand her... Saying you got caught up in a case and NOT leaving it up to the law enforcement of the country doesn't fly... It would if she were in America, or in an American embassy... But not in Japan... Hell... even IN America... Local LEOs would be bitching about the FBI's jurisdiction in the case (if it wasn't federal) and she would likely get a call and be pulled off any investigation...
Of course the lack of police reaction isn't realistic. Gosho chose to ignore all the real life flak that would fall out of this so the plot could go on and Jodie could remain in Japan. My point was that Jodie managed to successfully lie and make the situation not as bad as you originally thought it was.
xpon wrote: yeah.. the BO most likely forget about shinichi! but ... i'm asking the motive of why shichi reveal him self that he is alive.. just to go to london.. while he do anything ( invluding hurt the one that love him most) just to keep they  from knowing that shinichi kudo is alive
The motive is obvious: Shinichi wanted to be a fanboy and see Sherlock's London. There isn't any other reason. As other people have pointed out, although it was stupid and risked his cover to go to London, it wasn't like he publicly announced "Shinichi is Alive!" with a megaphone in Ginza's main intersection. He just bought a plane ticket and left. If the BO aren't paying attention then they will miss it, and since they think Shinichi is dead, they probably aren't paying attention.
I don't see why Jodie should get send back to america when she claims that she's on vacation and got into that mess with the kidnapping. Would be different if the police finds out that the gun was from jodie, but I doubt they checked that.

And Shinichi was labeled as dead by Haibara. And after that she escaped. Obviously, they are more concerned to catch Sherry, who can reveal a lot of stuff about the BO, than checking out all the work she has done so far, since that can wait.
So, since they think Shinichi is dead, they wouldn't check for a death announcement or missing report about him.
And you usually don't look for someone who's dead, so the BO won't look specifically for Kudo Shinichi.
Tho the traces of Shinichi flying out of Japan will remain, and I guess they will find that once they think Shinichi is alive.

Also, you guys make it look like Conan is careless the first time. But he was always careless imo. On the first chapter, he followed Vodka unprepared, although he noticed that Gin has the eyes of a dangerous murderer.
Or the bug he planted in Gins car, or the bug that got stuck on Kirs shoe. Also, he uses "Sleeping Kogorou" carelessly too. He also stung Heiji, which resulted in him finding out about Kudo.
But all that is to push the plot :P
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Oh holy hell Kleene Onigiri.... You can't be serious... The police would NOT check the gun ownership??? THAT IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY DO WITH GUNS FOUND AT A  CRIME SCENE! They determine the weapon's origins if possible. They run the serial with registration, see if it is stolen, or if it is a hot gun from a missing shipment or so fourth... After they do that they figure out which guns were used to do damage.... I mean... really...  Jodie would have been in custody in a second... especially since the area was probably littered with bullets and casings.... They would then match the bullets/casings with the guns found at the scene... Especially since there was a corpse at the scene. Though it was probably evident that it was suicide, it still needs to be investigated... On holiday or not... it is standard procedure to detain those who are found in possession of a gun. Whether the gun is theirs or not, especially if there are no witnesses (Ran saw nothing and passed out, Haibara came after the fact, and Conan was taken as hostage so Vermouth could get away). The only other witness was Akai, who left, and the corpse... For that matter, given the circumstances, an investigation would be opened to try and find the other parties who were at the scene, and if Jodie did not cooperate she would be further detained...
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I don't see why Jodie should get send back to america when she claims that she's on vacation and got into that mess with the kidnapping. Would be different if the police finds out that the gun was from jodie, but I doubt they checked that.
Read what I wrote first :P
I thought Jodie didn't fire her gun, but that Vermouth did with hers. Guess I was wrong :P Because If Jodie didn't use her own gun, she could have hid her gun. And if there is no bullet found, they won't figure out that it was Jodies gun, you know.
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Kleene Onigiri wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
I don't see why Jodie should get send back to america when she claims that she's on vacation and got into that mess with the kidnapping. Would be different if the police finds out that the gun was from jodie, but I doubt they checked that.
Read what I wrote first :P
I thought Jodie didn't fire her gun, but that Vermouth did with hers. Guess I was wrong :P Because If Jodie didn't use her own gun, she could have hid her gun. And if there is no bullet found, they won't figure out that it was Jodies gun, you know.
If she hid her gun, and Detectives and CSI didn't find it... that would be sad... Also iirc she DID fire her gun. A warning shot at Vermouth... That bullet would need to be matched to a gun... Which would lead them to Jodie. And again... it is standard procedure to IDENTIFY ALL GUNS FOUND AT A SCENE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE HERS!
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kyuuketsuki wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
I don't see why Jodie should get send back to america when she claims that she's on vacation and got into that mess with the kidnapping. Would be different if the police finds out that the gun was from jodie, but I doubt they checked that.
Read what I wrote first :P
I thought Jodie didn't fire her gun, but that Vermouth did with hers. Guess I was wrong :P Because If Jodie didn't use her own gun, she could have hid her gun. And if there is no bullet found, they won't figure out that it was Jodies gun, you know.
If she hid her gun, and Detectives and CSI didn't find it... that would be sad... Also iirc she DID fire her gun. A warning shot at Vermouth... That bullet would need to be matched to a gun... Which would lead them to Jodie. And again... it is standard procedure to IDENTIFY ALL GUNS FOUND AT A SCENE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE HERS!
I said I was wrong O.o I thought it was Vermouths gun and not Jodies.
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Kleene Onigiri wrote:
kyuuketsuki wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
I don't see why Jodie should get send back to america when she claims that she's on vacation and got into that mess with the kidnapping. Would be different if the police finds out that the gun was from jodie, but I doubt they checked that.
Read what I wrote first :P
I thought Jodie didn't fire her gun, but that Vermouth did with hers. Guess I was wrong :P Because If Jodie didn't use her own gun, she could have hid her gun. And if there is no bullet found, they won't figure out that it was Jodies gun, you know.
If she hid her gun, and Detectives and CSI didn't find it... that would be sad... Also iirc she DID fire her gun. A warning shot at Vermouth... That bullet would need to be matched to a gun... Which would lead them to Jodie. And again... it is standard procedure to IDENTIFY ALL GUNS FOUND AT A SCENE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE HERS!
I said I was wrong O.o I thought it was Vermouths gun and not Jodies.
Not entirely... Vermouth had her gun too... but she took that with her... And there were at least a dozen more guns thanks to Calvados, though I am not sure how many of those Akai took...
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Hold on hold on

I'm pretty sure Akai cleaned up the scene before he left

So the police may not have even had to know that Jodie had a gun or fired it
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Abs. wrote: Hold on hold on

I'm pretty sure Akai cleaned up the scene before he left

So the police may not have even had to know that Jodie had a gun or fired it
Uh... if I recall correctly he left the scene before Jodie left... Jodie still had her gun... as well as was shot...
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Abs. wrote: Hold on hold on

I'm pretty sure Akai cleaned up the scene before he left

So the police may not have even had to know that Jodie had a gun or fired it
Uh... if I recall correctly he left the scene before Jodie left... Jodie still had her gun... as well as was shot...
We don't know if Jodie still had her gun

Yes, Akai left the scene before Jodie left obviously (Jodie remained there because 1) she was shot, and 2) to explain "what happened" to the cops) - therefore Akai could have taken Jodie's gun with him along with any shell casings (from both her gun and the shotgun he used)
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Abs. wrote:
kyuuketsuki wrote:
Abs. wrote: Hold on hold on

I'm pretty sure Akai cleaned up the scene before he left

So the police may not have even had to know that Jodie had a gun or fired it
Uh... if I recall correctly he left the scene before Jodie left... Jodie still had her gun... as well as was shot...
We don't know if Jodie still had her gun

Yes, Akai left the scene before Jodie left obviously (Jodie remained there because 1) she was shot, and 2) to explain "what happened" to the cops) - therefore Akai could have taken Jodie's gun with him along with any shell casings (from both her gun and the shotgun he used)
Ah, but the shell casings is only a part of it... there would be bullets in the pavement and in the crates... It would be nearly impossible to clean all of them up... Also there is the matter of the glass shards... the exploded car... I know Akai is (was?) good... but he isn't (wasn't?) THAT good.
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Prince Abs came and rescue kleene! ha ha ha ha ha

but sadly.. Kyuu really has a point! in fact that is an un-denialable FACT!

ha ha ha ha.

the FBI is taken too much action .. well it look like gosho will use BO vs FBI instead Using Japanese Police!

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xpon wrote: yeah.. the BO most likely forget about shinichi! but ... i'm asking the motive of why shichi reveal him self that he is alive.. just to go to london.. while he do anything ( invluding hurt the one that love him most) just to keep they  from knowing that shinichi kudo is alive
The motive is obvious: Shinichi wanted to be a fanboy and see Sherlock's London. There isn't any other reason. As other people have pointed out, although it was stupid and risked his cover to go to London, it wasn't like he publicly announced "Shinichi is Alive!" with a megaphone in Ginza's main intersection. He just bought a plane ticket and left. If the BO aren't paying attention then they will miss it, and since they think Shinichi is dead, they probably aren't paying attention.
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