Ai + Conan

[Rellik]

So er.....you're saying that ConanXAi would make a good couple? You gotta be kidding me!!! I mean seriously (no offence Haibara fans) Haibara is a girl that has brains, but a complete emo who likes hiding in her room on a pc trying to find a cure to APTX and making Conan a test subject without a care. To Conan she is just a way to turn back to Shinichi and marry Ran. In my opinion, they dont make a good match. Whether as ShinichiXRan, they have been together all their life and can communicate together easier since they understand each other even though it looks like they quarrel alot and Ran is no burden to Shinichi/Conan and shes actually doing her best to wait for Shinichi to come back....sometimes I dont even think Shinichi deserves Ran.

funny how it can work the other way 

[mam]

So er.....you're saying that ConanXAi would make a good couple? You gotta be kidding me!!! I mean seriously (no offence Haibara fans) Haibara is a girl that has brains, but a complete emo who likes hiding in her room on a pc trying to find a cure to APTX and making Conan a test subject without a care. To Conan she is just a way to turn back to Shinichi and marry Ran. In my opinion, they dont make a good match. Whether as ShinichiXRan, they have been together all their life and can communicate together easier since they understand each other even though it looks like they quarrel alot and Ran is no burden to Shinichi/Conan and shes actually doing her best to wait for Shinichi to come back....sometimes I dont even think Shinichi deserves Ran.

funny how it can work the other way 

LOL, now that was brilliant. Thank you Rellik

I like Haibara a lot, and love Conan-Ai friendship, but them as a couple................. mehhhhh. I normally just laugh at the idea, but to go too far as calling Ran a girl has no brain, or a burden to Shinichi makes me wonder if someday I become an anti-Haibara fan? Say whatever you want how romantic Conan x Ai look together, just, PLEASE, STOP insulting Ran.

Seriously, people, we dont need to list how could Ran or Ai make a good match to Shinichi, just a simple fact, who does Shinichi/Conan love?
Honestly, sometimes I dont even think Shinichi deserves Ran, he he he. But poor Conan deeply wishes for his happy ending with Ran, I have no problem against his 

Manga Vol39- A small client (Ep. 354-355)

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LOL little Conan, gets jealous even with a child

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[H...Haibara]

So er.....you're saying that ConanXAi would make a good couple? You gotta be kidding me!!! I mean seriously (no offence Haibara fans) Haibara is a girl that has brains, but a complete emo who likes hiding in her room on a pc trying to find a cure to APTX and making Conan a test subject without a care. To Conan she is just a way to turn back to Shinichi and marry Ran. In my opinion, they dont make a good match. Whether as ShinichiXRan, they have been together all their life and can communicate together easier since they understand each other even though it looks like they quarrel alot and Ran is no burden to Shinichi/Conan and shes actually doing her best to wait for Shinichi to come back....sometimes I dont even think Shinichi deserves Ran.

funny how it can work the other way 

Whaaat. That's pretty judgmental of you. I think the characterisation of Haibara (which you have conveniently stereotyped) is great. She's the unrequited love interest.

By that, I mean Shinichi will definitely end up with Ran one way or another.

[Rellik]

just wanted to make point about how ur last post sounds really irritating to RanXShinichi ppl

[Nyarl]

just wanted to make point about how ur last post sounds really irritating to RanXShinichi ppl

Haibarakudo made the post you were mocking, not H...Haibara. I know, it's hard sometimes to tell Haibara fans apart...

[sstimson]

Just my two cents, I am not taking sides. Just a simple question.

What if Ai discovers that there is now no way to reverse the Process and Conan is stuck growing up again. Would you  have Ran take the drug to grow up and stay with Conan or just give up and try to live a normal life?  (this is after the BO is no more )

Later

[Girl19]

Oh Ran has a lot of brains in fact she solved a entire case 343-344.

Is this supposed to be an outstanding achievement? In fact, she was only able to solve 1 or 2-ish cases during the whole series, and that's why you can remember them so well. Even Kogoro, I believe, has solved more cases by himself.

Haibara is a girl that has brains, but a complete emo who likes hiding in her room on a pc trying to find a cure to APTX and making Conan a test subject without a care.

And since when is "being emo" a bad thing? I think Gosho-sensei made her character just the way it should be. What? Is she supposed to be smiling happilly and acting all lovey-dovey after her sister's death and after being forced to make a poison, etc?! Or is she supposed to act as a selfish crybaby just like Ran? At least, Haibara's trying hard to help Conan. Let me remind you that HE is the one who keeps wishing and asking her to make the cure for his and Ran's sake. How can this make him just "a test subject without a care"?!

To Conan she is just a way to turn back to Shinichi and marry Ran.

In fact, your sentence here could have been right if you had the kindness to take off the word "just"; because, and it's plain obvious, Haibara means much more to Conan than "just" a way to get the cure. Yes, maybe he's not in love with her but he does have feelings for her and cares about her. Now if you wanna ignore that, it's your absolute right, but there's evidence.

Whether as ShinichiXRan, they have been together all their life and can communicate together easier since they understand each other even though it looks like they quarrel alot and Ran is no burden to Shinichi/Conan and shes actually doing her best to wait for Shinichi to come back....

Just because they've known each other since always, it doesn't mean they can understand each other. To be able to understand a person, you need to, at least, have a decent level of intelligence AND maturity. Unfortunately, I don't see Ran have both those qualities in good enough proportions. And, in my opinion, this kind of "love" is so childish; it's like falling in love with the first girl/boy you've ever known, that's just too easy and uninteresting... but then again, it's just my opinion.

sometimes I dont even think Shinichi deserves Ran.

Why? Because he didn't tell her about the Organization? But he's hiding it all for her own safety. Maybe you shoukd reverse your sentence the other way... yeah.

I know, it's hard sometimes to tell Haibara fans apart...

I'm not gonna be as decent as some Ran fans and start stereotyping them, but I suggest you all get this once for all: NOT all Haibara fans want to see an AiXConan ending. As far as I'm concerned, I love AiXConan (as friends and more...), but I've changed my mind a long time ago and am not interested in a AiXConan ending anymore, not only because it's plain obvious that Gosho won't make it end this way, but also because I want a more intriguing ending for Ai, not just a pathetic happy-ending.

[Nyarl]

Oh Ran has a lot of brains in fact she solved a entire case 343-344.

Is this supposed to be an outstanding achievement? In fact, she was only able to solve 1 or 2-ish cases during the whole series, and that's why you can remember them so well. Even Kogoro, I believe, has solved more cases by himself.

Solving a case with a Holmes style deduction without hints from Conan is something Haibara herself hasn't done. Even the cases Kogoro "solve" had lots of hints from Conan (with perhaps one recent exception). I listed a couple of other intelligent things Ran has done in canon in response to the Ran bashing on the previous page which Rellik was mocking.

Why? Because he didn't tell her about the Organization? But he's hiding it all for her own safety. Maybe you shoukd reverse your sentence the other way... yeah.

He's not protecting her with the secret. This has been obvious since Ran put her body between BO guns and Haibara, and was re-emphasized in the Kir capture and release stories. We also know from the suicide attempt that Haibara herself thinks that the Org. would just assume her associates knew too much, so her claim that Ran mustn't know because she would be killed if the Org. knew she knew is hypocrisy.

I'm not gonna be as decent as some Ran fans and start stereotyping them, but I suggest you all get this once for all: NOT all Haibara fans want to see an AiXConan ending.

::sigh:: I did put that insipid wink smiley in the post to indicate irony. Amusingly, your post here only justifies the stereotype. Many Haibara fans bash Ran unreasonably, even if they claim not to be shippers.

Personally, I'd like to see Ran find out that Shin'ichi has been putting her and her father in danger selfishly and reject him in the end rather than forgive him, though that's probably even less likely than Aoyama killing her off.

[haibaraai4869]

i think ai&conan make a good couple. Even every body know that ran an shinishi will end together, for me ai&conan is the best. It's simple, i don't say that ran is stupid or not at the same level intelligence with shinichi, they just didn't match, that kind of couple is typical of lot of mangas, i just want somthing different for DC (sorry shinran fans it's just so irritating to read their baby-stupid-love-moments)
When you guys say that Haibara is just a way to conan to become shinichi again and marry ran, it's just crazy. It's obvious that they have more than a give and take back realationship,the proof:
- In file 423-426  when he reassures her about her mother, he wasn't forced to
- In file 346 when he was afraid that she leaves
- He says he will protect her, and it isn't a just promise make by interest
  when you say that she is emo, if you read well you can find sometimes when she show true emotion, like when she heard her mother voice for the first time, when she smile to the dog, when she cried for her sister, or even when was lost with mitsuhiko in the forest.

[Xela]

best to wait for Shinichi to come back....sometimes I dont even think Shinichi deserves Ran.

Can someone explain this sentence for me?
It´s a statement I hear often from RanXShinichi-fans and to me it sounds like they are rather shipping Ran´s "awesomeness" than the pairing itself. Ran gets her great love confession and will forgive Shinichi for being a jerk, even though he doesn´t really deserve her at all? Sorry, but that sounds like totally leaving Shinichi´s feelings out of the picture to me.
Yes, Ran is having a hard time waiting for Shinichi, but his situation certainly isn´t something to be happy about, too. I wouldn´t be in a good mood if there´s a chance that I will have to spend the rest of my life with a different identity... and if I was hurting the one I love without meaning to.
The decision not to tell her anything was made in the beginning and I agree with everyone who says that it´s kinda worn out now. His current reason could be fear of rejection, for example. Which is quite understandable, in my opinion.
As for the "he doesn´t deserve her"-part: Shinichi would do practically everything for Ran (I thought the "I would rather have her forget about me than seeing her cry again"-thing was truly heartbreaking) and seems to care much more about her feelings than his own. So why doesn´t he deserve her? Just because he made a mistake and is afraid of losing her?
Shinichi isn´t some asshole who is having a good time with another girl while making Ran wait on purpose- like she believes so sometimes.

About AiXConan... I really like how they interact with each other and the friendship that developed between them. It´s not true to say that she is just the one who makes the antidote for him.
And I also think that it is the more interesting relationship. RanXShinichi or ShinichiXRan was clear from the beginning- she loves him, he loves her. Ai and Conan grew from sorta-enemies to allies and to friends. There´s no point in denying that they care about each other.

(I apologise for my English...)

[haibaraai4869]

Yes Xela you are right, about shin&ran and conan&ai.

best to wait for Shinichi to come back....sometimes I dont even think Shinichi deserves Ran.

Can someone explain this sentence for me?
It´s a statement I hear often from RanXShinichi-fans and to me it sounds like they are rather shipping Ran´s "awesomeness" than the pairing itself. Ran gets her great love confession and will forgive Shinichi for being a jerk, even though he doesn´t really deserve her at all? Sorry, but that sounds like totally leaving Shinichi´s feelings out of the picture to me.
Yes, Ran is having a hard time waiting for Shinichi, but his situation certainly isn´t something to be happy about, too. I wouldn´t be in a good mood if there´s a chance that I will have to spend the rest of my life with a different identity... and if I was hurting the one I love without meaning to.
The decision not to tell her anything was made in the beginning and I agree with everyone who says that it´s kinda worn out now. His current reason could be fear of rejection, for example. Which is quite understandable, in my opinion.
As for the "he doesn´t deserve her"-part: Shinichi would do practically everything for Ran (I thought the "I would rather have her forget about me than seeing her cry again"-thing was truly heartbreaking) and seems to care much more about her feelings than his own. So why doesn´t he deserve her? Just because he made a mistake and is afraid of losing her?
Shinichi isn´t some asshole who is having a good time with another girl while making Ran wait on purpose- like she believes so sometimes.

About AiXConan... I really like how they interact with each other and the friendship that developed between them. It´s not true to say that she is just the one who makes the antidote for him.
And I also think that it is the more interesting relationship. RanXShinichi or ShinichiXRan was clear from the beginning- she loves him, he loves her. Ai and Conan grew from sorta-enemies to allies and to friends. There´s no point in denying that they care about each other.

(I apologise for my English...)

As you say, Ai&conan make a more interesting relationship than shiran.

[Misztina]

Oh Ran has a lot of brains in fact she solved a entire case 343-344.

Is this supposed to be an outstanding achievement? In fact, she was only able to solve 1 or 2-ish cases during the whole series, and that's why you can remember them so well. Even Kogoro, I believe, has solved more cases by himself.

Solving a case with a Holmes style deduction without hints from Conan is something Haibara herself hasn't done. Even the cases Kogoro "solve" had lots of hints from Conan (with perhaps one recent exception). I listed a couple of other intelligent things Ran has done in canon in response to the Ran bashing on the previous page which Rellik was mocking.

By the way, not Ran is dumb, rather Shinichi and co. are too smart. Just think about it. A 17 year-old solving very complex cases.
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My opinion is that Shiho can only get Shinichi's attention in the sense of love if Ran is out of picture, if she is basicly dead. That's the only option. I tend to kill off Ran in my mind when I think about fanfictions, to get Shinichi and Shiho together.

Still, I can't seem to be able to get them together. Shiho is cool, rational, just like Shinichi. I think that this similar way of thinking might not to good to their relationship. Shinichi or Shiho need somebody who can oppose to them, otherwise... well don't if you get what I think. It is kinda hard to express it. ^^"

[haibaraai4869]

Oh Ran has a lot of brains in fact she solved a entire case 343-344.

Is this supposed to be an outstanding achievement? In fact, she was only able to solve 1 or 2-ish cases during the whole series, and that's why you can remember them so well. Even Kogoro, I believe, has solved more cases by himself.

Solving a case with a Holmes style deduction without hints from Conan is something Haibara herself hasn't done. Even the cases Kogoro "solve" had lots of hints from Conan (with perhaps one recent exception). I listed a couple of other intelligent things Ran has done in canon in response to the Ran bashing on the previous page which Rellik was mocking.

Why? Because he didn't tell her about the Organization? But he's hiding it all for her own safety. Maybe you shoukd reverse your sentence the other way... yeah.

He's not protecting her with the secret. This has been obvious since Ran put her body between BO guns and Haibara, and was re-emphasized in the Kir capture and release stories. We also know from the suicide attempt that Haibara herself thinks that the Org. would just assume her associates knew too much, so her claim that Ran mustn't know because she would be killed if the Org. knew she knew is hypocrisy.

I'm not gonna be as decent as some Ran fans and start stereotyping them, but I suggest you all get this once for all: NOT all Haibara fans want to see an AiXConan ending.

::sigh:: I did put that insipid wink smiley in the post to indicate irony. Amusingly, your post here only justifies the stereotype. Many Haibara fans bash Ran unreasonably, even if they claim not to be shippers.

Personally, I'd like to see Ran find out that Shin'ichi has been putting her and her father in danger selfishly and reject him in the end rather than forgive him, though that's probably even less likely than Aoyama killing her off.

If i remenber correctly, the Castle case, a little after haibara first appear, she figure out the false old lady identity, when conan desappear, and we all know that haibara is not the kind of drawning attention on her person, not in that way. First because contrary to conan who face appear on media, the organisation know her child-face. Two she is not detective she is scientist, which is an achievement for her young age

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[Nyarl]

Solving a case with a Holmes style deduction without hints from Conan is something Haibara herself hasn't done. Even the cases Kogoro "solve" had lots of hints from Conan (with perhaps one recent exception). I listed a couple of other intelligent things Ran has done in canon in response to the Ran bashing on the previous page which Rellik was mocking.

If i remenber correctly, the Castle case, a little after haibara first appear, she figure out the false old lady identity, when conan desappear, and we all know that haibara is not the kind of drawning attention on her person, not in that way. {...}

That was much more of an adventure story than a Holmes style deduction story. All Haibara needed to do to identify the doppleganger was identify the gender of corpse of the person who left the rather straight forward message that warned of the double, it wasn't a multi-layered deduction. Not saying that Ran would have even gotten past the secret door (at least as quickly), or that Haibara doesn't have a good record independently solving part of a multi-faceted mystery (she's also tracked down a serial arsonist by looking for a pattern in the arsons), but it's not really the same thing.

Like Misztina writes, Ran's not dumb, Haibara and Conan are freaks. Ran's even a fast learner when something catches her interest, the Love Conan fanbook that focuses on the manga points to the fact that she leaned a lot of Mahjong jargon quickly.

[Girl19]

Solving a case with a Holmes style deduction without hints from Conan is something Haibara herself hasn't done. Even the cases Kogoro "solve" had lots of hints from Conan (with perhaps one recent exception). I listed a couple of other intelligent things Ran has done in canon in response to the Ran bashing on the previous page which Rellik was mocking.

Funny how, after watching all these episodes, you still don't get that Haibara isn't the type to draw attention on her. She, countless times, finds the culprit's identity and often gets many hints even before Conan notices them. Just because she doesn't make a "deduction show", it doesn't mean that she's unable to, she just isn't the type to do so. Besides, as someone said above, she's a (genius) scientist, yet she can figure out hard puzzles and without Conan's hints. Conan, on the other hand, is a great detective but he doesn't know as much as Haibara at sciences.

He's not protecting her with the secret. This has been obvious since Ran put her body between BO guns and Haibara, and was re-emphasized in the Kir capture and release stories. We also know from the suicide attempt that Haibara herself thinks that the Org. would just assume her associates knew too much, so her claim that Ran mustn't know because she would be killed if the Org. knew she knew is hypocrisy.

"Her" claim?! This had been, since ever, Conan's claim before it was Haibara's claim. Conan decided, way before Haibara's appearance, that he wouldn't let Ran know, in any way, about the organisation's existence. And how can this be "hypocrisy"? Haibara isn't a bad person, she would never tolerate Ran or anyone else to be hurt because of her. Just like in Episode 345, she was ready to die just to save Kudo from Vermouth. And by the way, the only ones that know about Ran's appearence that night were Vermouth and Calvados. And since he died, the only one left is Vermouth, and we all know she won't say a word about it. So yes, as long as she doesn't know about the organisation's whereabouts, I think Ran's out of danger. It's not hypocrisy, they really are trying to protect her, obviously.

::sigh:: I did put that insipid wink smiley in the post to indicate irony. Amusingly, your post here only justifies the stereotype. Many Haibara fans bash Ran unreasonably, even if they claim not to be shippers.

Haibara fans often bash Ran because Ran fans always bash Haibara. Funny but, it's a reciprocal thing. Almost all Ran fans (not all of them, but almost) hate Haibara, maybe because they idolize Ran too much and can't bear to see Conan with another girl, trying to help her and befriend her. lol It's silly and childish, but I noticed it's typical of Ran's fandom. Once again I'm not saying that all Ran fans are like that, but since you started tereotyping us...

Personally, I'd like to see Ran find out that Shin'ichi has been putting her and her father in danger selfishly and reject him in the end rather than forgive him, though that's probably even less likely than Aoyama killing her off.

I stopped reading after the word "selfishly"...

That was much more of an adventure story than a Holmes style deduction story.

LOL, what's with the "Holmes style deduction" again?? I don't get it, who cares about the style deduction as long as there actually IS a deduction?

Like Misztina writes, Ran's not dumb, Haibara and Conan are freaks. Ran's even a fast learner when something catches her interest, the Love Conan fanbook that focuses on the manga points to the fact that she leaned a lot of Mahjong jargon quickly.

There's a difference between being a freak and being a genius. Conan and Haibara might be too smart for their ages, yes, but Ran's intelligence isn't average for her age. I'm not saying she's stupid, but she's not smart either. And the fact that she, just sometimes, learns things quickly isn't enough to say that she's intelligent. You still see her, most of the time, being clueless about the easiest things such as Agasa-hakase's quizes. Even Sonoko is smart enough to figure them out, sometimes.