L- wrote:
I think the problem is you can't live up to those quotes >_>
It's
1. High than though - speeches
2. unrealistically phrase without consideration to the culprit's situations and feelings
3. Giving Verdict that regards Humans as a species of perfection and thinks everyone should have the thoughts that he has
L- wrote:
Its not unrealistic its not his fault people are to weak to be like that
I mean people aren't perfect but killing someone? Killing someone no matter what is not exactly a mistake.
I mean if people were like Conan the world would be a better place which is what I think Gosho intended to imply in his character.
it's his fault for assuming
Not saying it's a mistake sometimes it's justifiable, especially when the law isn't exactly on your side and you have nothing else to lose anyway ^^
It's actually really irritating and makes people feel that he tries to appear superior.... BACKED FIRED
L- wrote:
I think the problem is you can't live up to those quotes >_>
Or you don't like the fact that a lot of people disagree with you. >_>
Shinichi as a detective must understand criminal motive in order to solve his cases. He would be lying if he said he didn't understand why people killed each other. There is no way around that because he demonstrates the ability to figure out what the motive is for various crimes. You can't do that without going through the logic step of thinking, "If I were the murderer, what would drive me to commit this crime?" as part of the way to discover the solution.
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I like when people disagree with me, it legs me know I'm right
I don't think when he said he can't understand why people kill way other that he doesn't understand what can drive people to kill one another. I think he means he cant understand why someone would take another life, it's another persons life like do they understand that they are never coming back? Would you want that to happen to you? Do you wanna be corrupt by it?
L- wrote:
I think the problem is you can't live up to those quotes >_>
Or you don't like the fact that a lot of people disagree with you. >_>
Shinichi as a detective must understand criminal motive in order to solve his cases. He would be lying if he said he didn't understand why people killed each other. There is no way around that because he demonstrates the ability to figure out what the motive is for various crimes. You can't do that without going through the logic step of thinking, "If I were the murderer, what would drive me to commit this crime?" as part of the way to discover the solution.
Motives don't play a big part in solving the mysteries; I often get the feeling they're added as an afterthought Shinichi rarely, if ever, tries to understand the criminals motivation and we rarely get murderers we want to get away.
We don't make mistakes. We have happy accidents.
Remember: A thin paint will stick to a thick paint.
L- wrote:
I don't think when he said he can't understand why people kill way other that he doesn't understand what can drive people to kill one another. I think he means he cant understand why someone would take another life, it's another persons life like do they understand that they are never coming back? Would you want that to happen to you? Do you wanna be corrupt by it?
If Gosho wrote the quote that way, something like "I just can't sympathize with hating someone so much that you see erasing them as the only way out" it would sound better. But unfortunately Gosho doesn't, so Shinichi winds up sounding haughty even if Gosho didn't mean it that way.
L- wrote:
I think the problem is you can't live up to those quotes >_>
Or you don't like the fact that a lot of people disagree with you. >_>
Shinichi as a detective must understand criminal motive in order to solve his cases. He would be lying if he said he didn't understand why people killed each other. There is no way around that because he demonstrates the ability to figure out what the motive is for various crimes. You can't do that without going through the logic step of thinking, "If I were the murderer, what would drive me to commit this crime?" as part of the way to discover the solution.
Motives don't play a big part in solving the mysteries; I often get the feeling they're added as an afterthought Shinichi rarely, if ever, tries to understand the criminals motivation and we rarely get murderers we want to get away.
For a lot of the cases, most of the motives are something the criminals confess to perfunctorily and don't matter to the solution of the crime, but for cases like 60.9-11 or 37.2-4 (I just picked those off the top of my head, there are probably better examples), understanding the motives of the people involved was very important.
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L- wrote:
I think the problem is you can't live up to those quotes >_>
Or you don't like the fact that a lot of people disagree with you. >_>
Shinichi as a detective must understand criminal motive in order to solve his cases. He would be lying if he said he didn't understand why people killed each other. There is no way around that because he demonstrates the ability to figure out what the motive is for various crimes. You can't do that without going through the logic step of thinking, "If I were the murderer, what would drive me to commit this crime?" as part of the way to discover the solution.
Motives don't play a big part in solving the mysteries; I often get the feeling they're added as an afterthought Shinichi rarely, if ever, tries to understand the criminals motivation and we rarely get murderers we want to get away.
For a lot of the cases, most of the motives are something the criminals confess to perfunctorily and don't matter to the solution of the crime, but for cases like 60.9-11 or 37.2-4 (I just picked those off the top of my head, there are probably better examples), understanding the motives of the people involved was very important.
60.9-11 The actual culprit killed herself and we are mean't to feel with her lover. I think this goes back to Japan being a culture of shame, while the West is a culture of guilt. She killed herself because of the shame and now we're allowed to sympathize with her. (Seiji Aso also killed himself)
37.2-4 But Conan fails to understand the motive and gets pwned by Kogoro
We don't make mistakes. We have happy accidents.
Remember: A thin paint will stick to a thick paint.
Dus wrote:
60.9-11 The actual culprit killed herself and we are mean't to feel with her lover. I think this goes back to Japan being a culture of shame, while the West is a culture of guilt. She killed herself because of the shame and now we're allowed to sympathize with her. (Seiji Aso also killed himself)
37.2-4 But Conan fails to understand the motive and gets pwned by Kogoro
It's not about the reader sympathizing with the murderer, but about Conan needing to understand the motive to completely solve the case. And Conan getting pwned illustrates why it's important to understand the motive behind the case!
Dus wrote:
60.9-11 The actual culprit killed herself and we are mean't to feel with her lover. I think this goes back to Japan being a culture of shame, while the West is a culture of guilt. She killed herself because of the shame and now we're allowed to sympathize with her. (Seiji Aso also killed himself)
37.2-4 But Conan fails to understand the motive and gets pwned by Kogoro
It's not about the reader sympathizing with the murderer, but about Conan needing to understand the motive to completely solve the case. And Conan getting pwned illustrates why it's important to understand the motive behind the case!
Then we're talking past one another.
Yes, Conan wants to know the motive, but out of sheer intellectual curiosity and not because he wants to know what it was that drove the murderer to his evil deed.You could say that emotionally, he's completely detached from the cases he's solvin. Kogoro is slightly different, at least in the cases where old friends of his were involved.
We don't make mistakes. We have happy accidents.
Remember: A thin paint will stick to a thick paint.
Shinichi rarely, if ever, tries to understand the criminals motivation and we rarely get murderers we want to get away.
