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How will Shinichi/Conan return to Japan? (stolen from baka1412)

Illegal ways (Document Forgery, "back-routes", bribing the officers, hijacking the plane, etc)
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Using his connection with the FBI's to sneak him out of the country.
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Agasa miraculously creates a Teleportation machine.
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Haibara send him another batch of antidote(s) (post/directly)
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Haibara entrusted back-up medicine to Jodie / Yukiko / FBI / she somehow got trustful friend out there (the mysterious lady on last file)
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Extra Terrestrial creatures help.
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He never returned to Japan again...
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He never returned to Conan again...
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He swim all the way across to Japan by sea..
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"Home Alone" reference; as a conan, he's tagging any unsuspecting adults during the last minutes before the plane take off, pretending to be their child.
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Asking for Japanese embassy help, hoping to get deported back to Japan..
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He'd get help from that pro tennis player eventually (for solving the case).. I don't know how she would pull some string though...
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Unexplainable Time Skip, the case finished, and we're suddenly back to Beika City the next day without explanation..
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RedPoppy wrote:
Ha, so it's even longer than I thought! 11 hours, looks like I won't see much Shinichi. :( ;(
I think it's even longer. Cause even if you do a self check-in at those machines and you manage to do the baggage drop of not yourself (or you better don't have baggage)... the latest at the first security check-point you have to be "yourself". so then there are still maybe 1 1/2 hours left and when you arrive in London you still have the immigration. Even returning to Japan there could be the chance that you have to wait a bit at the immigration... so you need about 14 hours big Shinichi. Therefore a 12 hours pill wouldn't be enough.

Interesting is, that they told Ran they would be on a plane 2 hours later. Excuse me, but no flight company has such long-distance flights two times a day...
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Sere wrote:
RedPoppy wrote:
Ha, so it's even longer than I thought! 11 hours, looks like I won't see much Shinichi. :( ;(
I think it's even longer. Cause even if you do a self check-in at those machines and you manage to do the baggage drop of not yourself (or you better don't have baggage)... the latest at the first security check-point you have to be "yourself". so then there are still maybe 1 1/2 hours left and when you arrive in London you still have the immigration. Even returning to Japan there could be the chance that you have to wait a bit at the immigration... so you need about 14 hours big Shinichi. Therefore a 12 hours pill wouldn't be enough.

Interesting is, that they told Ran they would be on a plane 2 hours later. Excuse me, but no flight company has such long-distance flights two times a day...
Maybe in normal life 12 hours wouldn't be enough, but I bet Gosho won't allow Conan to stay in London forever. If the first pill has longer effects than Ai calculated, then maybe the second pill will be more effective too. There're always other options: maybe Agasa has some extra pills, maybe Shinichi's parents would help Conan... Conan must go back to Japan anyway, that's for sure.
Probably I'm bad, but I hope Conan will do something stupid, so there will be more Shinichi. ^o^ If in the last file is only one page with Shinichi again, I will be mad. :[
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Sere wrote:
RedPoppy wrote:
Ha, so it's even longer than I thought! 11 hours, looks like I won't see much Shinichi. :( ;(
I think it's even longer. Cause even if you do a self check-in at those machines and you manage to do the baggage drop of not yourself (or you better don't have baggage)... the latest at the first security check-point you have to be "yourself". so then there are still maybe 1 1/2 hours left and when you arrive in London you still have the immigration. Even returning to Japan there could be the chance that you have to wait a bit at the immigration... so you need about 14 hours big Shinichi. Therefore a 12 hours pill wouldn't be enough.

Interesting is, that they told Ran they would be on a plane 2 hours later. Excuse me, but no flight company has such long-distance flights two times a day...
Maybe in normal life 12 hours wouldn't be enough, but I bet Gosho won't allow Conan to stay in London forever. If the first pill has longer effects than Ai calculated, then maybe the second pill will be more effective too. There're always other options: maybe Agasa has some extra pills, maybe Shinichi's parents would help Conan... Conan must go back to Japan anyway, that's for sure.
Probably I'm bad, but I hope Conan will do something stupid, so there will be more Shinichi. ^o^ If in the last file is only one page with Shinichi again, I will be mad. :[
Sure, it somehow begs for more Shinichi. Else, Haibaras warning would have been unneccessary. Maybe he encounters a situation, where he really needs some strenght, nobody else is around and then he just takes the pill.
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Dus wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
@Riddle: What I can read:
A rolling bell rises me (no dot?)
I'm a long nosed wizard in a castle.
[...]on is a chilled boiled egg like a corpse.
I finished up with a whole pickle.
[...]ow I remember to ask a cake to cerebrate in adva[...]
It rings again for my hatred.
[...] tells me to finish everything piercing a white back [...]
The [...] means that you can see that there is something written there.
Now what I guess what the missing words could be:

London is a chilled boiled egg like a corpse. (Someone said it's "ion". But you can't see it clearly. It could also be a l, d, i or j) And since they are in London it would make sense)
N/How I remember to ask a cake to cerebrate in adva[...] (Someone said it could be Now. But How could fit into it too.)
He/She/It tells me to finish everything piercing a white back ? (dunno what could stand here. But there should be a lot of letters, so a long word or more shorter words. Since you can see some word between conans fingers/behind his hand)

I'm not sure about the meaning. Only thing that I thought of was tha "London is a chilled boiled egg like a corpse." could mean that he wants to kill a lot of people in london? If it's really london that's written there.
If I check the RAW file, it's pretty obvious that it says [...]ion. It's also more likely to be Low, because you can see the bottom stroke of an L. Doesn't look like it could be a serif of either an H or an N. Not that it makes any sense. I never noticed that the last sentence is a lot longer than we can see, but you're definitely right.
There is a point in trying to figure out what the note says. We have to wait 2 weeks for the next chapter. And I am going to wrack my brains about the meaning of this code.

You also have a point that Ai might have realized that there's no point in trying to make him stay in Japan. I still think it's suspicious that she never even tried. Nor did she point out how suspicious the behaviour of that lady is. Cursing in one's mother tongue isn't that unusual either. But it still seems like it's done on purpose to attract Conan's attention. Especially since the boy doesn't look Asian at all, so his parents are probably both British and English curses and insults should come more natural to him.

Another important point you make is that Shinichi is behaving very suspiciously. First he doesn't care about Ran being at the Holmes museum. Was it really too difficult to feign some interest in that.
And a six-year-old who speaks English fluently? I find it strange that no-one even asked him where he learned it.
Hawaii probably.
Oh, I looked up a chinese Raw, and there it clearly looks like a i D:
But what word would be there then with "ion"? Lion? Will James Black come to london? XD
Low is an option too. But Now/How seems to make a bit more sense than Low I think? (well, with goshos english you dunno :x)

And yes, it makes perfect sense to discuss the chapter and thus also the riddle in the discussion thread ;p Otherwise speculating on who Bourbon, Anokata etc. is would be pointless too, since we'll know in some years anyway ;p ;D

Yes, the boy doesn't look Asian. But he clearly can already speak english and japanese. And he shouldn't be much older than "Conan", so not older than 9? And in that age I wasn't able to distinguish whether I talk german or polish. Or sometimes I knew some terms in the other language better, and used it even if someone didn't understand ;p
And since he probably didn't care whether that man would know what he said or not, he just used japanese because he wanted to? ;p

Conan is suspicious a lot. But since he tricked Ran already, it's not such a surprise she doesn't get it. Or I think she doesn't want to suspect him anymore too.
Since she already confronted him more than once, or hinted to him that she suspects him as Shinichi.
So, since he still didn't tell her on his own she could think:
1) He doesn't trust Ran
2) It's something he definitely can't tell her, even tho he trusts Ran
So Ran could just avoid to notice all obvious hints.
Abs. wrote: 1.  Shinichi's sneezing on the plane was not because he had a cold (he didn't), but because Ran and Kogorou were talking about him up in first class.

2.  I don't think it's a big deal that Shinichi's being so careless with his reaction to Ran on the phone/the phone bill when Ran returns to Japan - because he's probably going to end up taking the pill and becoming Shinichi in London and Ran's going to "realize" that the reason Shinichi seemed so disinterested is because Shinichi was actually in London (since he will show up as Shinichi in front of Ran for some reason)
Oh, I didn't think about that possibility. But you're right! D:

Maybe he doesn't need to have a cold anymore, just have to be a jerk to be able to turn back with the antidote ;D And he's obviously in jerk mode ;p
Tho, for his defense, he was in a rush to hang up the phone, like some said.
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delsie29 wrote: Admittedly, it was short-sighted not to ask for souvenirs. That was the most suspicious behaviour so far, I think.
If someone got to go somewhere that I'd been dying to go to, I'd just be jealous and would hope they wouldn't bring back souvenirs for me (don't rub it in my face)

Well unless it's food
You..... want food from England? O.o"

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Also, there was the case where Shinichi's parents were introduced. If I remember correctly, they wanted to whisk him off to America. Wouldn't he need a passport for that? Well, I suppose they could've pulled some strings or called in some favours to make it happen....  Of course, something from 600+ chapters ago probably has limited relevance.
Yes. But I also think that Yusaku said something about knowing someone from Interpol (or another big organization) who would help.
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Oh, I looked up a chinese Raw, and there it clearly looks like a i D:
But what word would be there then with "ion"? Lion? Will James Black come to london? XD
Low is an option too. But Now/How seems to make a bit more sense than Low I think? (well, with goshos english you dunno :x)
Onion? would fit with the pickle, egg, and cake. Not that it makes any sense.
Yes, Now or How would make a lot more sense, but it seems to be Low. Or zow, but that's not even a word.(Then again, neither is cerebrate)
Maybe the word he was actually looking for was vaguely (vaguely I remember). Would make sense.
Yes, the boy doesn't look Asian. But he clearly can already speak english and japanese. And he shouldn't be much older than "Conan", so not older than 9? And in that age I wasn't able to distinguish whether I talk german or polish. Or sometimes I knew some terms in the other language better, and used it even if someone didn't understand ;p
And since he probably didn't care whether that man would know what he said or not, he just used japanese because he wanted to? ;p
OK, so if his background story isn't fabricated, it makes sense for him to speak Japanese in this situation. Nevertheless, it's suspicious that Conan would run into someone who happens to speak Japanese.


You..... want food from England? O.o"
*imagines Ran bringing Shinichi something from a London chippy* Yummy!

Yes. But I also think that Yusaku said something about knowing someone from Interpol (or another big organization) who would help.
Interpol has its headquarters in Lyon, France. I think I remember something about Gosho going there when he was in Europe.
So maybe Yusaku is involved in this and they'll go to Dartmoor, Paris, Lyon, and Meiringen. (among others)
I've just gotta say I'm sad so far that "Holmes's Apprentice" refers to Conan so far in this file. I was hoping it referred to Bourbon. D:
It could refer to both! After all, Gin compared Bourbon to Holmes.
I love this arc, becase it thrills me more and more.
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My main thought was that there was an awful lot in the file, but also that "The London file? Didn't Aoyama say something in an interview about major plot developments after a London case?" If he did... PLOT IS FINALLY GOING TO HAPPEN! :D As you can tell, plot makes me happy :) :) :)
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If they meet with Yusaku, then he must be prepared to shave his mustache :D

Because Yusaku would be forced to disguise as Shinichi to fool Ran (again) in the end of the arc...
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baka1412 wrote: If they meet with Yusaku, then he must be prepared to shave his mustache :D

Because Yusaku would be forced to disguise as Shinichi to fool Ran (again) in the end of the arc...
... That would just be awesome XD
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So wait:
Yusaku and Ran will kiss at the end of this arc?
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baka1412 wrote: If they meet with Yusaku, then he must be prepared to shave his mustache :D

Because Yusaku would be forced to disguise as Shinichi to fool Ran (again) in the end of the arc...
Again?? When did Yusaku disguise as Shinichi to fool Ran?? :o :o
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I mean, Ran would be fooled again by conan sly scheme..
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baka1412 wrote: I mean, Ran would be fooled again by conan sly scheme..
Oh .... I thought that I somehow missed something really important If that had already happened xD
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mangaluva wrote: My main thought was that there was an awful lot in the file, but also that "The London file? Didn't Aoyama say something in an interview about major plot developments after a London case?" If he did... PLOT IS FINALLY GOING TO HAPPEN! :D As you can tell, plot makes me happy :) :) :)
He did say that there will be some development, but, unfortunately, that development is for Shinichi and Ran's relationship. Then again, who knows that book was published years ago, so he might have reconsidered it, and it may turn out to be a BO case.
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alicetama wrote:
mangaluva wrote: My main thought was that there was an awful lot in the file, but also that "The London file? Didn't Aoyama say something in an interview about major plot developments after a London case?" If he did... PLOT IS FINALLY GOING TO HAPPEN! :D As you can tell, plot makes me happy :) :) :)
He did say that there will be some development, but, unfortunately, that development is for Shinichi and Ran's relationship. Then again, who knows that book was published years ago, so he might have reconsidered it, and it may turn out to be a BO case.
But even if he said that. There can still be BO involved or some info dropped about the BO ;D
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alicetama wrote:
mangaluva wrote: My main thought was that there was an awful lot in the file, but also that "The London file? Didn't Aoyama say something in an interview about major plot developments after a London case?" If he did... PLOT IS FINALLY GOING TO HAPPEN! :D As you can tell, plot makes me happy :) :) :)
He did say that there will be some development, but, unfortunately, that development is for Shinichi and Ran's relationship. Then again, who knows that book was published years ago, so he might have reconsidered it, and it may turn out to be a BO case.
Yeah, it would be awesome, if the case had some connections with BO. If not, relationship development would be great too. Love threads suddenly became boring, because nothing important happens. After Shiragami's Case it was sooooo close to Shinichi's confession. Maybe this time he will tell Ran (finally~!) about his feelings. I wish something would change in the story. DC is now too predictable and static. :/
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