Isn't the Antidote a huge risk? + Possibilities of defeating

[HayleyStark]

Conan took the temporary antidote several times without thinking of the circumstances. What would happen if his appearance slips to the organization? Shouldn't he wait until the organization is defeated before returning to his original size (temporarily or permanently)?

I'm also sick of how Haibara is always shown as the weak link that might cause everybody great harm, which means she's better off dead, far away, or remaining in her child form even after making an antidote. I think Conan places an almost equal amount of danger to everybody around him but that's completely ignored...Maybe Haibara is the only character Gosho chooses to taint with guilt and despair for drama purposes...But it's only logical that Conan might be driven to the same situation - where his presence between friends can also cause damage (whether he 'confesses' to Ran about his real identity or not, mind you!)

Conan should leave Japan with Haibara for two reasons: a) they put everybody's lives in danger ..and b) The BO is  based in America! - what the hell  is Conan doing in Japan???
It would be terribly corny and unrealistic to have an ending where Conan becomes Shinich and marries Ran, Haibara lives happily with Agasa as his daughter, and the boss of the BO is captured so no more danger lurks around. That's bull...The BO's abilities and technology show that it's a global monster and the members or even the Boss are merely some of its arms. So even if Gin is killed, Vermouth escapes and the boss is captured, the BO can still survive and reform somewhere else. The battle to bring it down shouldn't be a one night face off, but a long lasting war where Conan and Haibara are fighting ALONE with the aid of the FBI. Think Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Harry left Ginny and all the coziness behind so that he can bring down Voldemort with the least possible damage - Conan, however, continues to sleep warmly on Ran's pillow instead of moving his butt to America where he can actually bring down the BO...

[HayleyStark]

I added a poll. And I'm waiting for your views on this...maybe Gosho will see your opinion (he must have googled Conan forums one day - don't you think?   )

[HayleyStark]

I personally love the last option. I think that premise would be a complete turn of the plot or something like a spin off?...Detective Conan in New york; working as a homicide detective in the FBI to reveal the Black organization .

[Nyarl]

Why do you think the Org. is "based" in the U.S.? It had operatives in the U.S., but the CIA and FBI both infiltrated the Org. in Japan.

I think it's far too late for Conan to leave Ran to "protect" her. He needs to neutralize Gin after leaving all those bugs for him to find and make absolutely certain he understands why Vermouth took so long to move against Haibara before he can even consider leaving the Mouris (or Agasa, or his Teitan schoolmates and teachers) now, whether it's to go to the U.S. or Tottori... Maybe if he joined the witness protection program and ditched the blazer, bowtie and glasses he could stay with the FBI without making Gin suspicious of Kogoro again...

[HayleyStark]

Why do you think the Org. is "based" in the U.S.?
I think it's far too late for Conan to leave Ran to "protect" her. He needs to neutralize Gin after leaving all those bugs for him to find and make absolutely certain he understands why Vermouth took so long to move against Haibara before he can even consider leaving the Mouris (or Agasa, his Teitan schoolmates and teachers) now, whether it's to go to the U.S. or Tottori... Maybe if he joined the witness protection program and ditched the blazer, bowtie and glasses he could stay with the FBI without making Gin suspicious of Kogoro again...

I think the BO is based in the US because both the FBI and the CIA are pursuing it. That means that they're too active in America. Not to mention Vermouth being American and Shiho sent for education in the states. It fits with the notion that the core of the BO is in the US and not Japan.

And yeah Conan took so long to leave the Mouri's until Gin became suspicious of Kogoro! You're right, he should work on fixing that mistake and leave before something else occurs. I think 'The Raven Chaser' is all about that...if the BO discovers Conan's identity, everybody around him will be killed.
About Vermouth taking too long to reveal Haibara's identity, I believe the reason is Shinichi and Ran's safety. Haibara will lead to them.
As I said, both Conan and Haibara are risking too much by staying closely attached with all these people.

[sdf1macross]

Why would Conan/Shinichi have to leave Japan to defeat the BO?? 

[Nyarl]

I think the BO is based in the US because both the FBI and the CIA are pursuing it. That means that they're too active in America. Not to mention Vermouth being American and Shiho sent for education in the states. It fits with the notion that the core of the BO is in the US and not Japan.

And yeah Conan took so long to leave the Mouri's until Gin became suspicious of Kogoro! You're right, he should work on fixing that mistake and leave before something else occurs. I think 'The Raven Chaser' is all about that...if the BO discovers Conan's identity, everybody around him will be killed.
About Vermouth taking too long to reveal Haibara's identity, I believe the reason is Shinichi and Ran's safety. Haibara will lead to them.
As I said, both Conan and Haibara are risking too much by staying closely attached with all these people.

I'm not sure I agree Haibara is as much a threat as Conan. Once she recovered the drug data via Pisco's mobile, she's really wanted nothing more to do with the Org. (Unless it'll eventually become obvious that she's not growing like a normal 1st grader. Vermouth might have indeed picked Araide to cover that up, though it'd probably be better to get into that in one of the Vermouth threads.)

[Rellik]

this is totally unrelated, but this topic reminded me of what happened to those '100' antidote pills ai gave to conan? 

[Hazel-rah]

No, I think the BO is in Japan and so Conan must stay in Japan and will defeat the BO. If the BO is based in US, I wonder why CIA and FBI send important Agents to Japan. Because the BO working in Japan? No..i don't think so, the BO must be based in Japan.
The end will be: Conan defeat the BO in Japan, takes the antidote and marry Ran 

[TheBlind]

I think the BO is based in the US because both the FBI and the CIA are pursuing it. That means that they're too active in America. Not to mention Vermouth being American and Shiho sent for education in the states. It fits with the notion that the core of the BO is in the US and not Japan.

And yeah Conan took so long to leave the Mouri's until Gin became suspicious of Kogoro! You're right, he should work on fixing that mistake and leave before something else occurs. I think 'The Raven Chaser' is all about that...if the BO discovers Conan's identity, everybody around him will be killed.
About Vermouth taking too long to reveal Haibara's identity, I believe the reason is Shinichi and Ran's safety. Haibara will lead to them.
As I said, both Conan and Haibara are risking too much by staying closely attached with all these people.

I'm not sure I agree Haibara is as much a threat as Conan. Once she recovered the drug data via Pisco's mobile, she's really wanted nothing more to do with the Org. (Unless it'll eventually become obvious that she's not growing like a normal 1st grader. Vermouth might have indeed picked Araide to cover that up, though it'd probably be better to get into that in one of the Vermouth threads.)

I agree also, Haibara's personality makes it that she only leaves Agasa's house if it's only with the Detective boys/Conan & Agasa. She rarely goes out wandering looking for trouble like Conan(except that one anime original which she was at a mall..by herself...really weird). If it wasn't for Conan I don't think the B.O. would of actually figured out she was still in Japan. As for my ending, I agree that Conan can't take down the B.O. if the FBI and CIA can't accomplish it with years of work.

Conan beating the B.O. at the end will just seem like a unrealistic sugar ending, the most he can hope is to take down Gin & Vodka and with that said I hope he makes good on his words in The Missing Watch case. An ending where he finally has to admit he can't win and has to tell Ran he will never be back (as Shinichi) would be an ending to be remembered.

[Nyarl]

I agree also, Haibara's personality makes it that she only leaves Agasa's house if it's only with the Detective boys/Conan & Agasa. She rarely goes out wandering looking for trouble like Conan(except that one anime original which she was at a mall..by herself...really weird). If it wasn't for Conan I don't think the B.O. would of actually figured out she was still in Japan. As for my ending, I agree that Conan can't take down the B.O. if the FBI and CIA can't accomplish it with years of work.

Conan beating the B.O. at the end will just seem like a unrealistic sugar ending, the most he can hope is to take down Gin & Vodka and with that said I hope he makes good on his words in The Missing Watch case. An ending where he finally has to admit he can't win and has to tell Ran he will never be back (as Shinichi) would be an ending to be remembered.

I'd rather see Ran killed off than treated with no respect like that. I want to see Conan learn some humility, and after realizing he can't destroy the Org. by himself (but can at least help cripple it) give Ran a chance to go into hiding with him, after telling her the full truth, rather than continue to effectively make important decisions for everyone without their knowledge or consent. She might reject him for several good reasons, but let her have a more concrete choice than whether to wait for some vague promise of something.

[TheBlind]

I agree also, Haibara's personality makes it that she only leaves Agasa's house if it's only with the Detective boys/Conan & Agasa. She rarely goes out wandering looking for trouble like Conan(except that one anime original which she was at a mall..by herself...really weird). If it wasn't for Conan I don't think the B.O. would of actually figured out she was still in Japan. As for my ending, I agree that Conan can't take down the B.O. if the FBI and CIA can't accomplish it with years of work.

Conan beating the B.O. at the end will just seem like a unrealistic sugar ending, the most he can hope is to take down Gin & Vodka and with that said I hope he makes good on his words in The Missing Watch case. An ending where he finally has to admit he can't win and has to tell Ran he will never be back (as Shinichi) would be an ending to be remembered.

I'd rather see Ran killed off than treated with no respect like that. I want to see Conan learn some humility, and after realizing he can't destroy the Org. by himself (but can at least help cripple it) give Ran a chance to go into hiding with him, after telling her the full truth, rather than continue to effectively make important decisions for everyone without their knowledge or consent. She might reject him for several good reasons, but let her have a more concrete choice than whether to wait for some vague promise of something.

I never thought of it that way, good point but to defend Shinichi he knows that if he can't "win" the best thing to do is disappear(Shinichi, not Conan). Wouldn't it be selfish of him to ask Ran to continue to put up with his situation full knowing that she'll be blinded by love and say yes. So it works both ways, but I believe the choice belongs more to Shinichi.

All that Ran has to decide is if she wants to be with Shinichi not matter how hard it gets and all the hardships that come might hurt, but in the end it was her choice.Shinichi on the other hand has to decided if he can look at Ran's face everyday and ask himself "Is she really happy?", "Could she had a better life if things stayed normal?", "Does she hate me?", and "Does she regret it?". So he'll have to deal with that pain of making the girl he loves suffer internally(since Ran is the type to put on a smile even when things are bad) and it wasn't his choice, it was Ran's choice. So it might look like he's not treating her with respect but in reality he's doing what's right as saving them both from deeper pain.

[HayleyStark]

I changed Japan to Beika because we're not sure where the BO's core is.

I agree also, Haibara's personality makes it that she only leaves Agasa's house if it's only with the Detective boys/Conan & Agasa. She rarely goes out wandering looking for trouble like Conan(except that one anime original which she was at a mall..by herself...really weird). If it wasn't for Conan I don't think the B.O. would of actually figured out she was still in Japan. As for my ending, I agree that Conan can't take down the B.O. if the FBI and CIA can't accomplish it with years of work.

Haibara maybe paranoid but that doesn't mean she's a coward. She was ready to be killed by Vermouth if it meant everybody's safety. Whether Haibara will leave or stay if her identity is revealed, we may see that in the next film. But I think she'd rather die alone than watch everybody around her murdered.
And you're right, taking down the BO should be hard, however I'd like to see Conan try and fight a long battle until it's completely destroyed in the end.

I want to see Conan learn some humility, and after realizing he can't destroy the Org. by himself (but can at least help cripple it) give Ran a chance to go into hiding with him, after telling her the full truth, rather than continue to effectively make important decisions for everyone without their knowledge or consent. She might reject him for several good reasons, but let her have a more concrete choice than whether to wait for some vague promise of something.
Posted on: January 11, 2009, 08:25:44 PM
Posted by: TheBlind

That's a scenario that's very likely to happen, though I don't like it at all. None of this concerns Ran, so why destroy her life by bringing her along? The only two people who should stand alone against the BO are Conan and Haibara...specifically Haibara because they killed her sister.

[TheBlind]

I changed Japan to Beika because we're not sure where the BO's core is.

I agree also, Haibara's personality makes it that she only leaves Agasa's house if it's only with the Detective boys/Conan & Agasa. She rarely goes out wandering looking for trouble like Conan(except that one anime original which she was at a mall..by herself...really weird). If it wasn't for Conan I don't think the B.O. would of actually figured out she was still in Japan. As for my ending, I agree that Conan can't take down the B.O. if the FBI and CIA can't accomplish it with years of work.

Haibara maybe paranoid but that doesn't mean she's a coward. She was ready to be killed by Vermouth if it meant everybody's safety. Whether Haibara will leave or stay if her identity is revealed, we may see that in the next film. But I think she'd rather die alone than watch everybody around her murdered.
And you're right, taking down the BO should be hard, however I'd like to see Conan try and fight a long battle until it's completely destroyed in the end.

Where did you get I was calling her a coward? The series has shown she's far from that. Her rarely leaving the house alone isn't because she's a coward, it's more that she has the personality that find more joy staying at home reading a book, doing work, or etc than trying to spend it outside socializing.