I'm so worry about 赤井秀一

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Jd- wrote: I guarantee you that Akai & Okiya & Bourbon won't be included in the movie. It'll be flexible--a story that could have been done at 345, I bet.
I agree completely, though I think that the death thing was planned.
My Theory:
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In volume 58, Conan planned a way for Akai Shuuichi to rein filtrate the organization. It was something that could only be done if Akai was dead, as it would be too strange if he just disappeared and the org would most doubtless find out. So they made sure that Jodie noticed him touching Conan's phone so that she would know that his fingerprints are on it. Then wiped off all the fingerprints and put on Kusuda Rikumichi's, and then Conan's would be on there as well. When Akai went to meet with Rena (who was in on the plan), he brought with him Kusuda's body, which Rena shot with the same type of gun as Kusuda's (as the distinguishing marks on the bullet would most likely be ruined in the explosion, so maybe not even the same type was necessary), making it look like she shot Akai. Some fake blood made it believable, and then she pretended to shoot him in the head (a shot which Kusuda already had), and then Akai scrambled away to some predetermined hiding location, later to make himself a new identity and join the org as someone else (most likely Okiya Subaru).
He had reminded Jodie that it was Friday the 13th, increasing her sense of dread. He then jumped straight into an obvious trap, and Conan also reminded her that it was Friday the 13th! It was like they were setting Jodie up to be worried on purpose. And then when Jodie was nervous while giving Conan back his phone, she said that nothing was wrong, but he seemed to know what was wrong. His face overshadowed (which could be a number of things, but is probably a bit of guilt or something similar because he couldn't say anything about it to Jodie) before a sly smirk graced itself upon his face.
Right after Eisuke confirmed that Conan is Shinichi:
Eisuke: Oh, right! Have you heard? Something seems to have happened in the FBI...
Conan: Something?
Eisuke: Well... Judging from the mood, someone seems to have died... But if you haven't heard anything about it... then it must be alright.
Conan: Yeah... It's alright...
No one told him anything so how would he know it's alright?!
Before Kir kills Shuuichi, she says to him, "I'm also surprised... that it went so smoothly..."
They are both "skilled at inspection and information gathering, and [have] keen insight", as Rena described Bourbon. They even have a similar fashion sense!
When Conan hands over the keys to the Kudou house to Okiya, the two give each other a strange look and their words (Conan: take care of the place while he's gone... Okiya: Yeah... of course!) at the time seemed to have much deeper meaning. They both have speech full of metaphors and euphuisms that disguise the true meaning. When Conan first meets Okiya, the man quoted Holmes, "My dear Watson, you as a medical man are continually gaining light as to the tendencies of a child by the study of the parents. Don't you see that the converse is equally valid?" This may be a set way of telling Conan who he is, considering the look Conan had afterward. Akai also died at Reiha Falls, which is very, very likely a reference to when Sherlock Holmes battled with James Moriarty at Reichenbach Falls and was thought to be dead before he reappeared many years later. Okiya also stated that his favorite color was black because it hides the dark secrets around him, but he hates it for the same reason, and it has been largely speculated that this refers to the Black Organization.
Then Ai gets the feeling of the Black Organization from Okiya Subaru, and she got the exact same feeling as she did from Akai, and Conan seems too mild about letting someone who might be an org member to be so close to anyone, much less Ai--and then even letting that person live in his own house! Even if "a Holmes fan can't be a bad person", Conan still has common sense!
When Ran first met Okiya, she felt that she had met him before, and she had met Akai at least twice before, both events of which she remembers well.
Ikeda Shuuichi is Akai Shuuichi's sÄ“iyu (voice actor), who is also the sÄ“iyu for Char Aznable, a character in Gundam. Char Aznable's real name is "KIYASUBARU" (キャスãƒ
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Your theory is pretty good! I think it's highly likely, though the body substitution part can be a bit tricky. Furthermore, the order of killing akai was given by Gin - it doesn't seem that akai and conan planned this. Although I'm sure Gosho would have an explanation for that. :)
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i love you.... i want akai to be alive but i didnt think it could work out so well as you described... ahh man you gave me new hope.
...akai is too awesome to be dead
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It could also work if they had some merely switch places with Akai too
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All they would need to do is switch the fingerprints on the phone, expecially cause Jodie only goes by the phone and dosen't compare them with any real record of his prints ::)
Just thoght I'ed throw that out there 8)
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prince.ngoc wrote: Your theory is pretty good! I think it's highly likely, though the body substitution part can be a bit tricky. Furthermore, the order of killing akai was given by Gin - it doesn't seem that akai and conan planned this. Although I'm sure Gosho would have an explanation for that. :)
Gosho would have an explaination for that, though I think what happened is this:
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The reason Gin and Anakata (that person, as they seem to call the Boss of the org.) are suspicious of so successfully recovering Kir is because Akai Shuuichi didn't chase after her. They know him well enough to know that something's up with that, so I think he knows them well enough to predict that they would think that.
And yes, I actually do think my theory is too good to be true as well.  :'(
Ai-chan wrote: It could also work if they had some merely switch places with Akai too
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All they would need to do is switch the fingerprints on the phone, expecially cause Jodie only goes by the phone and dosen't compare them with any real record of his prints ::)
Just thoght I'ed throw that out there 8)
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I thought that it was strange that Jodie went to the police like she did rather than comparing them herself. Shouldn't the FBI have the fingerprints of all the FBI members...? But she didn't--which is what made me suspicious and gave me the idea that they forged the fingerprints to match with Kusuda Rikumichi's (though if my theory is correct, there's also the possibility that it was someone else's body, dug from a random grave or something  :p)
As far as the thirteenth movie goes, I don't know what it'll show. I feel that it'll be the end of the series, but if so, there's a lot of good stuff from the manga that they'll be skipping, and then there's also the hope that it's just not the end. I DON'T WANT IT TO END!!!
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Seems as if we finally get another Akai/Mizunshi Rena case!!! The link to this spoiler pic for 677 was posted a few hours ago by Knightus on the DC spoilers cbox.
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I really hope we get an awesome Akai/Bourbon/Okiya/BO case coming up.....
Well... Happy New Year to everyone
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Okiya = true!Akai
Burbon = pretendingtobe!Akai

I can see this coming, lolz.
;so i try to smile like i mean it and let myself let go
cause it's all in the hands of a bitter bitter man;
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Sayumi wrote: Seems as if we finally get another Akai/Mizunshi Rena case!!! The link to this spoiler pic for 677 was posted a few hours ago by Knightus on the DC spoilers cbox.
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I really hope we get an awesome Akai/Bourbon/Okiya/BO case coming up.....
Well... Happy New Year to everyone
Thanks for the picture, Sayumi! That scar is... creepy. I bet we are going to hear something about it from "Akai". Hopefully he doesn't just show up at the end of the chapter... I'm with [em]; I'm thinking Bourbon has disguised as Akai to infiltrate the FBI team and find out if Rena is an FBI mole along with finding where Sherry is. I was kinda hoping that we could see a "Bourbon deduction show" with a good old finger point, but I don't think it would happen if he is really dressed as Akai. Well, one picture isn't enough to make a call yet. Where is this spoiler chatbox by the way? I wish to spoil myself silly please! Nevermind, I found it and have spoiled myself silly!
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There's obviously amnesia at play somewhere.  Someone cue up the Futurama "All my circuits" set!
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I dont think he looks feminine at all. On the contrary, I wonder why he stares at Jodie so coldly.
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ppan91 wrote: I dont think he looks feminine at all. On the contrary, I wonder why he stares at Jodie so coldly.
he always looks coldly...
well, i hope that a great case with Akai comes up...
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Sayumi wrote: Seems as if we finally get another Akai/Mizunshi Rena case!!! The link to this spoiler pic for 677 was posted a few hours ago by Knightus on the DC spoilers cbox.
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I really hope we get an awesome Akai/Bourbon/Okiya/BO case coming up.....
Well... Happy New Year to everyone
Thanks for the picture, Sayumi! That scar is... creepy. I bet we are going to hear something about it from "Akai". Hopefully he doesn't just show up at the end of the chapter... I'm with [em]; I'm thinking Bourbon has disguised as Akai to infiltrate the FBI team and find out if Rena is an FBI mole along with finding where Sherry is. I was kinda hoping that we could see a "Bourbon deduction show" with a good old finger point, but I don't think it would happen if he is really dressed as Akai. Well, one picture isn't enough to make a call yet. Where is this spoiler chatbox by the way? I wish to spoil myself silly please! Nevermind, I found it and have spoiled myself silly!
yes, I agree with you. It's either Bourbon trying out some spy work in the FBI, or Akai himself who dressed up as Rena in order not to get recognized by the BO (and maybe do some spying on the BO. That way, a lot of Rena's pressure will disappear and she'll have more time to get in contact with the CIA/get in contact with the FBI/investigate things/do whatever she wants/have a nice day off shopping around until all shops don't have anything to sell anymore and eat some cakes with coffee afterwards).
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kentasaiba wrote: '"Akai" looks to feminin at that picture.
When Jd- first showed me the picture, my gut reaction was "How did Mizunashi Rena's face get burned?".  It wasn't until I read what Jodi was thinking that I realized "Hey, that's Shuu!".
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lol id laugh if it turns out to be rena XD
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GinRei wrote: When Jd- first showed me the picture, my gut reaction was "How did Mizunashi Rena's face get burned?".  It wasn't until I read what Jodie was thinking that I realized "Hey, that's Shuu!".
hmm... I also thought it looks a lot like Rena.... maybe she and Akai are somehow related and this is a long missing family member  ???, or another crazy experiment of a BO scientist  :o...enough of the random guesses...
Personally I hope it's Akai - he is one of my favorite characters and I want him to be ALIVE!!! He is/was one of the few people who can keep up with Conan's way of thinking. Without him we would only have...Heiji (I like him as well), KID (his cases have nothing to do with the BO storyline at the moment), Yusaku (but we hardly ever get to see him), Okiya (if he isn't Akai) and Bourbon maybe...
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