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About Sharon Vineyard

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*ho hum* well, today, for me school is canceled due to a combination of snow and freezing rain. So, with nothing to do, I've decided to post a new topic...
xD  Right, anyhow, I didn't find a topic about this.  And here's my question:

Why doesn't Vermouth -- a.k.a. Sharon Vineyard -- age?
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Did she accidentally find out the effects of APTX4869 and got 10-20 years younger? That would explain why she so quickly realised that Conan is Shinichi and Ai is Shiho.
And no, it can't be just makeup because of the 3rd panel: So, I'm not sure if this is of any big importance to the story...
And maybe everyone already knows about this ^^; and just doesn't bother to write anything relating to it. But what do you think?
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Hm... actually it is one of the many things which just don't have a concrete explanation at the moment. (Right? *looks aroud anxiously*)

There are some theories about this matter. For example, there is the question whether Sharon stopped aging at circa 27 or she became younger.
It is also unclear whether she took the possible proto-type of APTX-4869, or something else. Of course, many tend to think it is the proto-APTX, or the APTX which Conan & Ai got. Furthermore we can't be sure whether she took it by force or freewillingly.

I think it is quite important to the story, but it is hard to figure out what really happened. @.@ But the others will tell maybe something smart about this, there are theories flying everywhere about this. XD
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Vermouth's apperance is important to the story because so far it seems she has found what her own Organization is looking for, a Drug/Computer Program/Fountain that allows them to extend their natural life span. So Vermouth/Sharon Vineyard's constant youth will most likely play a key part in the final confrontation with the BO but I don't believe a definite answer as to why she doesn't age has been given.

Your theory that she took the APTX4869 is interesting but I don't believe is plausible to give a definitive yes or no with the information we have now. As of now, we only have the following "markers" to try to take a guess on how old Vermouth is and when she took a drug to extend her youth(IF she even did) but without knowing the exact year of each event their value is diminished.
  • Jodie's age in the murder of her father in comparision to her age at this current time
  • An estimate of when the Original Kaitou Kid taught Sharon Vineyard his skill of disguise. (Along with Yukiko)
  • The emergence of Sharon Vineyard as a Star
  • The "death" of Sharon Vineyard
  • The emergence of Chris Vineyard as a Star
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If we had an exact year for the above* we could figure out key things like for example if the Chris Vineyard in Jodie's flashback was a digused Sharon using her new skills or a rejuvenated Sharon via a drug. Other than that, all you'll get now are very good theories about Vermouth using 30seconds from episode A proves.. and in episode B she moved her hand this way which means this while her hair moved like this in episode C which supports this.

*Yes I am well aware that the only person who would have the exact dates for the above events would only be Vermouth herself and Gosho and neither is going to give up the mystery that easy.
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True, but still, it's fun to theorize.  ;D
Well, Sharon could not have taken APTX4869 -- I doubt that Gosho will introduce another drug that has that effect... -- when she met Jodie, as that was 20 years before and Shiho wasn't even born yet.  And she can't possibly have maintained the same appearance for 20 years. I'd also say that right now she looks about 30 in the manga, but she's about 39 years old. But then, Yukiko's appearance hasn't changed much either, and she's 37...
Furthermore we can't be sure whether she took it by force or freewillingly.
  Hmmm... I'm more inclined to think that it was free willingly, because otherwise she would not be able to stay in the BO.

Another interesting thing is that if Sharon did get younger, then the boss might know about it since she's his or hers favorite. Thought that wouldn't make much sense... Unless the boss is quite an interesting person (just an observer? Someone who wants to get out of the organization but can't?), but that wouldn't make much sense once again... Yeah, erm...

But lets see... what else... Why does Sharon partly want the BO destroyed? And since she wouldn't harm Ran, maybe in the end Ran gets kidnapped by the BO or something, and Sharon betrays them by helping her? That seems plausible. : |

We should have a brainstorming session about this, and then in the end see if any of us were right. So, what do you people think will happen? Really, anything random is fine. Though it would be better for it to be based on facts. xD
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Ok, its a little late for me to be posting, but... well... I better put this in a spoiler box
*Magic Kaito Spoilers kiddies!^^*
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Ok, so has anyone thought that maybe A.O. is gunna intertwine the Detective Conan and Magic Kaito storylines even farther? If so, isn't possible that Sharon's lack of ageing comes from the Pandora Gem? Maybe thats what drove the research for APTX? Still a lot holes, but it is a theory I wanted to throw out there^^


Yeah, I know its out there, but If I don't put it out there, it's just :P in my head^^
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Ai-chan wrote: Ok, its a little late for me to be posting, but... well... I better put this in a spoiler box
*Magic Kaito Spoilers kiddies!^^*
Spoiler:
Ok, so has anyone thought that maybe A.O. is gunna intertwine the Detective Conan and Magic Kaito storylines even farther? If so, isn't possible that Sharon's lack of ageing comes from the Pandora Gem? Maybe thats what drove the research for APTX? Still a lot holes, but it is a theory I wanted to throw out there^^


Yeah, I know its out there, but If I don't put it out there, it's just :P in my head^^
It's possible but difficult to imagine that the leader(s) of the B.O. would give the gem to Sharon before using it themselves. Yeah there is the possibility they wanted to use someone as a guinea pig but logic says you would use a grunt rather than a high level member like Vermouth who's obviously a lose canon within the B.O.
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TheBlind wrote:
Ai-chan wrote: Ok, its a little late for me to be posting, but... well... I better put this in a spoiler box
*Magic Kaito Spoilers kiddies!^^*
Spoiler:
Ok, so has anyone thought that maybe A.O. is gunna intertwine the Detective Conan and Magic Kaito storylines even farther? If so, isn't possible that Sharon's lack of ageing comes from the Pandora Gem? Maybe thats what drove the research for APTX? Still a lot holes, but it is a theory I wanted to throw out there^^


Yeah, I know its out there, but If I don't put it out there, it's just :P in my head^^
It's possible but difficult to imagine that the leader(s) of the B.O. would give the gem to Sharon before using it themselves. Yeah there is the possibility they wanted to use someone as a guinea pig but logic says you would use a grunt rather than a high level member like Vermouth who's obviously a lose canon within the B.O.
What if she were a specimen rather than a test subject? That is, she used the gem before the Org. even knew about her. Atsushi was studying her to see how the gem had affected her (not necessarily at the behest of the Org., or with the Org. even knowing what he was really doing with her).
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What if she were a specimen rather than a test subject? That is, she used the gem before the Org. even knew about her. Atsushi was studying her to see how the gem had affected her (not necessarily at the behest of the Org., or with the Org. even knowing what he was really doing with her).
I don't read the Kid series regularly so I don't know the full details of when Pandora Gem was found by the Grey Org. but you have to keep in mind that DC establishes that Sharon Vineyard has been a B.O. member for a long time. She was seen by Jodie carrying out an assassination when Jodie was still a child and she is the "favorite" of the boss, and you don't become the favorite of the leader of a huge org. overnight. So the chances that Gem was found before Vermouth became a high member are low BUT the other possibility that Atsushi used it on her without the Org. knowing is completely possible.(With the current information we have now of course)
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TheBlind wrote:

What if she were a specimen rather than a test subject? That is, she used the gem before the Org. even knew about her. Atsushi was studying her to see how the gem had affected her (not necessarily at the behest of the Org., or with the Org. even knowing what he was really doing with her).
I don't read the Kid series regularly so I don't know the full details of when Pandora Gem was found by the Grey Org. but you have to keep in mind that DC establishes that Sharon Vineyard has been a B.O. member for a long time. She was seen by Jodie carrying out an assassination when Jodie was still a child and she is the "favorite" of the boss, and you don't become the favorite of the leader of a huge org. overnight. So the chances that Gem was found before Vermouth became a high member are low BUT the other possibility that Atsushi used it on her without the Org. knowing is completely possible.(With the current information we have now of course)
As far as Aoyama's shown, no one has found the gem recently. If Vermouth used it first, and the gem myth is literally true (and Aoyama didn't decide to retcon it when he associated Vermouth with Toichi), she'd be very, very old (around 10,000 years). I suppose she also could've found the gem and brought it to Atsushi to see it there were a way to use it without waiting for the comet.

ETA:Reference for Pandora/comet myth. (Don't know about the translation's accuracy.)
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As far as Aoyama's shown, no one has found the gem recently. If Vermouth used it first, and the gem myth is literally true (and Aoyama didn't decide to retcon it when he associated Vermouth with Toichi), she'd be very, very old (around 10,000 years). I suppose she also could've found the gem and brought it to Atsushi to see it there were a way to use it without waiting for the comet.

ETA:Reference for Pandora/comet myth. (Don't know about the translation's accuracy.)
Well if you assume that the Vermouth seen by Jodie was not a disguise(very likely) and the Sharon Vineyard that went to the original kid was also not a disguise(Very likely) then it's possible that the comet passed by earth in between those two events. But again I don't know if this would fit with the Kid time line.
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Chris Vineyard, I guess, had a past that will marvel us just like Severus Snape's in "Harry Potter" once did!
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I think to answer the initial question of why Sharon didn't age, one has to think about the true aim of Haibara's research. My theory:
- Haibara's parents made a drug that can slow down aging. Hence Sharon Vineyard took it.
- However, the BO wants more: a drug that can halt (or even reverse) the aging process. Or even makes them absolute immortals (can revive from the dead). Hence Haibara's research, and the side effect on Haibara / Conan.

Seems like Gosho loves this "forever young" topic. As summarized in the mermaid case (in Heiji's line, last file), Gosho is against the idea of an infinitely long life. (Which I completely agree). :)

Btw, I started reading the series since 13, got so addicted that I wanted to be a chemist and make a forever-young drug. :) (The series was up to volume 20s back then). Now I've graduated from university as a mathematician, working in a brain research lab, on the aging of neurons... Amazing how much Conan changed my life. :P (Not to mention that I learned Japanese just to read this series! And did some scanlations too). (Sorry this is off topic, but the discussion brings back alot of good memories. Wonder if anyone had a similar experience? :)
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