Jd- wrote:
Nyarl wrote:
Oh, just ban me and get it over with. Since you didn't actually refute or even particularly address anything, I have to conclude I'm right about the pretentiousness of knowing better than the manga-ka what he should be writing. Bad enough the kids in the spoiler chat box would go on and on about Aoyama not writing what they want him to write being "uncreative" writing, but now that the folks who do the scanslations are harping on the "more BO, more BO, no more romantic comedy, more BO, anything else is bad, and that's not just aesthetics, look at how many agree with me, that's evidence its not just aesthetics" it's time to find greener pastures anyway.
And since you didn't happen to quote or respond to anything beyond the first paragraph, I have to conclude I'm right about you not bothering to read the rest.
Oh well, I hear the AdultSwim boards are nice this time of year.
Akonyl wrote:
Jd- wrote:Not to mention that, by the end, we will very likely have a Sonoko childhood love case.
but then makoto would be all sad.
...then he could be the culprit in a murder case (of said childhood love), and Ran would have to fight with him to get him into custody. Brilliant!
Just doing my part.
Well, since I'm not banned and you didn't accept my account deletion, let's continue.
I read it all... complaining that I was rude (no argument there) the shifting goalposts from "practically all" to complaining about Aoyma being predictable to positing that he'll eventually give Sonoko a first love from childhood. Wait? How would that lead to a predictable story? You again declare something without actually explaining what you mean. Are all Aoyama's childhood friends supposed to get together, or be stuck in limbo waiting for each other? No luck for Makoto, and that's "predictable"? Or do you mean Sonoko would chose the established character over the newbe (eh-heh, probably, but that's a pretty good guess no matter who the writer is)?
Seems to me that would actually be a unique drama, the only thing similar I can think of is the
Scuba case, but that was a half-sister who met her half-brother love in junior high... which creeps toward to the "met before they died" reductio. Oh, and by the way, a reduction to the absurd is an invitation to bring nuance to a one sided argument, handwaving it as "oversimplifying" really misses the point. Just because it's "the first love/childhood friend/met once as children" trope doesn't make it the "same story".
Funny you should mention Adult Swim's forum. The asses there dismissed the series as just "the same thing every episode," abstracting away any particulars in the story to just "Conan solves the case". Like I told them back in the day, it's perfectly fine to not like a subject matter to the point one doesn't care about the particulars, but it's not fine to rationalize your aesthetics by conveniently abstracting away the particulars. If you have an argument that the particulars aren't going to be substantially different, you'll have to actually make it, and not just prove you can play label the trope.
Why did you even mention Mastumoto at all? You hate first love stories so much that just the segue story which involved that trope was enough to make the serial killer story "the same tired story"? It would have been better if you were bringing up his daughter. Was the story with her, where her childhood first love tries to kill her, substantially the same as the
Scar story where the savior in a brief childhood encounter was just too timid to admit his identity? I don't think so. I suppose it's true the "got together in the end" part is the same, and if that bothers you, it bothers you. Like "Conan always solves the case" bothers people. But bothering you and actually being a flaw that shows Aoyama's poor writing are two different things. Lack of respect for the author is what riles me.
Now, I'll go flag the delete on the account again... might even stick with it if I finally get that PS3 I'm looking at, or if you go ahead and hold me to it by actually deleting it
. (I'm still betting that Chiba's first love will be a donut.)
(just kidding)). 
