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I was right about a patsy being framed by the true culprit. So, how does anyone besides Kogoro, Ran, Kazuha, Heiji and Conan know that only Heiji and Conan would show up at the victim's place? How would a random culprit know to bug/watch Kogoro's place after Heiji heard the story from Kazuha's mother? How would they know that Heiji even heard the story and the request that someone hear "Shin'ichi's" story? The implied threat against the helper's family is 100% Org. MO. You guys wanting the end might have finally gotten your wish...
Spoiler: response to Nyarl's 735 spoiler
I admit, the culprit is dedicated. The method of blackmailing the housekeeper to get her to take the blame resembles Vermouth's blackmail of the werewolf dude to kill the movie producer. However, there are some MO differences to point out. The Org usually doesn't go about seeking unnecessary retribution, so I doubt they would sanction the offing of some random family. This crime appears to be motivated by revenge/feud, not cash, since !Shinichi gave up his claim to the inheritance. Even if the family has a lot of money, the Syndicate probably would find a better method to get it, like theft or blackmail. Also, if it was the Org, I don't think they would have underestimated Hattori like the culprit apparently did. They would be more careful and do the background research. I don't think it's an Org case this time, just a more-devious-than-usual murderer of the month.
I think it's likely the culprit placed listening devices in !Shinichi's house in order to learn the schedules of the two people. She/he learned the housekeeper's normal arrival time (she specified she came at noon "as usual") in order to time the murder. I assume the killer overheard !Shinichi discussing with Hattori/Shizuka about coming. My guess is Hattori contacted !Shinichi after he called Shizuka in order to arrange a time to meet; Hattori, anticipating Conan accompanying him, may have mentioned to !Shinichi he was bringing another kid with him. I'll wait for the final translations before analyzing plural versus singular references to who would be visiting. When she/he murdered !Shinichi, the killer removed the listening devices at that time, and then watched the house. When the housekeeper arrived, that killer called and gave the instructions, explaining the timeliness of the contact. Of course the housekeeper didn't think to look outside for the culprit...
Spoiler:
I expect Abs.'s "they" and stuff are just a way of avoiding misleading gender pronouns. I doubt there were more than one contacting the helper. The plural in children might be misleading me, though. Maybe the culprit only heard that Heiji was going and got "lucky" Heiji didn't convince Kogoro to come too. (Heiji was irritated Kogoro didn't come, so it doesn't seem that he was planning on just bringing Conan along.)
I doubt the culprit was simply underestimating Heiji, though. Even the police aren't so incompetent that they wouldn't eventually note that the incongruous lividity, or measure the temp. of the brazier. The culprit was lying to his/her patsy, expecting her to be arrested.
As for the Org's MO, you're right that I might be overgeneralizing Vermouth's MO as being the Org. MO.
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Hmm. I'll fix "children" for now, but I honestly don't know whether it's singular or plural. I suppose it makes more sense, story-wise, for it to be singular.
So speaking of children.
7 (real) children, anyone?
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ahhaha. i completely missed that. this would be a BRILLIANT way to get the plot back on track! supposing the culprit is not BO, but is being manipulated/taken advantage of by the BO?
"Shh! Celebrate after the curtain of this bloody stage closes."
Abs. wrote:
Hmm. I'll fix "children" for now, but I honestly don't know whether it's singular or plural. I suppose it makes more sense, story-wise, for it to be singular.
So speaking of children.
7 (real) children, anyone?
Clever. Maybe on the last pages of the last chapter of this case, Conan will think how there was seven Inubushi children, draw the connection to the song, think about the BO, and then there is a cameo panel(s) on the final page of someone dialing the number...
I wish... I was afraid no one would break the silence on this board after it went quiet for days!
the person being told to murder someone and how to do it, over the phone with a voice changer , I thought of Vermouth and the similar thing she did with the guy on a message board in the Halloween Party case
But I already know it won't be them. Nothing that cool would happen.
"Let's decide once and for all, Vermouth! No more hide-and-seek!!" - Conan Edogawa
I'm kinda disappointed in Gosho. Why didn't he call this case "The Red Demon Dog Case"?
Anyway, I think this long case is just his usual "long trolling case" (like the red wall), so I don't expect much, but if it ends with Ran revealing to Conan that she knows, then it would be great. I just hope Conan won't AGAIN fool her. Another scenario Gosho can use in order to not affect the status quo is to let us know Ran knows Conan's identity, but decides to not tell him becuase............"there must be a reason why he wouldn't tell me so I won't let him know" reason or because the "I'll wait until he feels like to tell me himself" reason.
Kor wrote:
I'm kinda disappointed in Gosho. Why didn't he call this case "The Red Demon Dog Case"?
Anyway, I think this long case is just his usual "long trolling case" (like the red wall), so I don't expect much, but if it ends with Ran revealing to Conan that she knows, then it would be great. I just hope Conan won't AGAIN fool her. Another scenario Gosho can use in order to not affect the status quo is to let us know Ran knows Conan's identity, but decides to not tell him becuase............"there must be a reason why he wouldn't tell me so I won't let him know" reason or because the "I'll wait until he feels like to tell me himself" reason.
Ran seemed to be treating Shin'ichi as a separate person from Conan during the White Day case. (Shin'ichi leaving the White Day gift was from her imagination, right?) If she's really suspicious of Conan, she's not very confident about it yet.
Spoiler: 736, about the current mystery, not Ran
The burning tracks are probably white phosphorous mixed in a quickly evaporating/sublimating substance. I'm not smart enough to reverse engineer the dispenser(s) so it(they) won't eventually catch fire themselves, though. Dunno if the glowing dog is white phosphorous, too. I guess it depends on whether the culprit actually likes dogs, that stuff is pretty toxic. The most likely culprit would be Takako, who could most easily handle the dog.
Why did Shin'ichi make a public show of fleeing from the "curse", yet wish to contact someone from the Osaka police force? Certainly not just to annoy inspector Toyama with superstitious rantings! He probably knew something more concrete about the other deaths, and that's why he was killed. Which is why we can't use his murder to exclude any motive for the other deaths. The pearl not being conclusively a dying message is also interesting. Cunningly placed red herring pointing to the name pun puzzle? An accomplice betraying the lead culprit to mask the accomplice(s') own involvement? A really shoddy tie pin? The culprit wanting to be stopped before killing the whole set of heirs?
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Poll update! Hopefully I got all the names right and the dead people correct as well. If I botched, tell me!
Holy hell, Kogoro's driving sucks. Pay attention, you idiot, and don't drive quickly down unpaved backroads you haven't been on before!
Warning, the change vote option got axed, I need a mod to restore the magical ability to change votes!
Edit Ginrei fixed. Fabulous.
Results of the temporary poll question: Do you know why Heiji and Conan know the lady is the culprit?
11 yes, 11 Maybe, 15 No.
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the motorcycle babe, since she talked too much. The old man is the BO boss. That was my first thought.
I'm a bit disappointed that the dead Kudo Shinichi didn't have anything to do with the case, I mean no misunderstanding? Why? I can't believe that Gosho just randomly made fun there. Did he?
Ran-issue:
It would be a great character development if she were suspicious, but she would keep up the appearance of "I-know-nothing", because she had finally realized that without a 100% proff she has no chance against Shinichi and he would just fool her again.
the motorcycle babe, since she talked too much. The old man is the BO boss. That was my first thought.
I'm a bit disappointed that the dead Kudo Shinichi didn't have anything to do with the case, I mean no misunderstanding? Why? I can't believe that Gosho just randomly made fun there. Did he?
Ran-issue:
It would be a great character development if she were suspicious, but she would keep up the appearance of "I-know-nothing", because she had finally realized that without a 100% proff she has no chance against Shinichi and he would just fool her again.
Abs. wrote:
I'll admit, the age discrepancies between the children are throwing me somewhat.
No kidding on the ages. That guy got around and for a long time at that. I also noted that potential culprit Miyuki shares a Kanji in her name with the mother. Perhaps there is a connection there? Maybe the wife philandered a little too and Inubushi Sr ruined him?
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supposing the culprit is not BO, but is being manipulated/taken advantage of by the BO?
